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I couldn't wait so I plugged in my right front speaker using the middle channel cable.. and it made the right speaker have the hiss and crackle! So the problem definitely isn't with my center channel speaker it's something else.. I guess either the receiver or the speaker wire I'm using.. I'll try changing the speaker db to 0 in the receiver settings.. and then on tuesday when my bluejeans speaker wire arrives I'll see if replacing the speaker wires fixes it.. if none of that helps.. does it mean I have a bad receiver? would onkyo replace or fix it for this type of problem?

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I couldn't wait so I plugged in my right front speaker using the middle channel cable.. and it made the right speaker have the hiss and crackle! So the problem definitely isn't with my center channel speaker it's something else.. I guess either the receiver or the speaker wire I'm using.. I'll try changing the speaker db to 0 in the receiver settings.. and then on tuesday when my bluejeans speaker wire arrives I'll see if replacing the speaker wires fixes it.. if none of that helps.. does it mean I have a bad receiver? would onkyo replace or fix it for this type of problem?

I had static in my onkyo when running certain dsps. It was actually fixed when I reran audyssey. No idea why, but it worked.
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thanks Mike I'll give that a try, couldn't hurt

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This is the distortion/noise of your receiver. This can be spec'd as SNR (Signal to Noise Ratio) or THD+N (Total Harmonic Distortion + Noise).
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I don't think so lilmike2069. He's only hearing this on the center channel. I would think if this was normal for the receiver, he'd be hearing the same noise on all channels.

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Is the cable compromised? Did you try plugging the right channel cables into the center channel jacks on the receiver?
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Yes I plugged the right channel speaker wire into the center speaker and played music and the hissing was gone.
I also replaced all my htib 18 awg cables with bluejeanscable 12 awg and their gold plated banana plugs last night.. didn't help.
Called onkyo today, they asked for the serial number and they said it's part of a recall for this problem and also potentially shutting itself down. THey are sending me a prepaid shipping label and box. I guess that answers that question hehe. Thanks everyone for helping me troubleshoot the issue. Figuring out how to strip the speaker wire and use compression banana slugs was quite an adventure.. my fingertip has 100 copper stranded cable stab wounds in it now

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I'm looking to upgrade my 15 year old paradigm system. I was looking closely at Klipsch until I saw the BIC line.

Potential system:
PL-88
PL-28
PL-66 or HT-64
HSU Sub (VTF-15H or VTF-3 MK4)

A couple of questions.

How does the PL-89 compare to the RF-82II? Anyone done direct comparisons?

Anyone use the PL-66 with two seating rows? I currently have dipoles between my rows and don't like it. Was thinking of going with monopoles. My concern with the PL-66 is it looks like the tweeter is angled forward, so would miss the rear row.

Where to buy HT-64? Anyone know where you can get these? Per above, these are my monopole alternative to the PL-66.

Thanks for input
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I don't think so lilmike2069. He's only hearing this on the center channel. I would think if this was normal for the receiver, he'd be hearing the same noise on all channels.

Doesn't sound like it to me...

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I noticed there's slight hissing with slight crackle, especially from the center.. I can barely hear it but when I put my ear near the center I can hear it easily.. it happens even when I turn off my source(mac mini) and my projector.. I tried switching to stereo listening mode because that disables the center channel but I could still hear it.. what should I be checking? should I re-run the speaker wire from the receiver to the speakers? it's 18 gauge thin wire that came with my htib. i have my onkyo 609 set to dynamic eq enabled, dynamic volume off, ran audyssey and raised crossovers to 80hz.. thx loudness plus on.. could it be one of these settings?

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I couldn't wait so I plugged in my right front speaker using the middle channel cable.. and it made the right speaker have the hiss and crackle! So the problem definitely isn't with my center channel speaker it's something else.. I guess either the receiver or the speaker wire I'm using.. I'll try changing the speaker db to 0 in the receiver settings.. and then on tuesday when my bluejeans speaker wire arrives I'll see if replacing the speaker wires fixes it.. if none of that helps.. does it mean I have a bad receiver? would onkyo replace or fix it for this type of problem?

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I'm looking to upgrade my 15 year old paradigm system. I was looking closely at Klipsch until I saw the BIC line.

Potential system:
PL-88
PL-28
PL-66 or HT-64
HSU Sub (VTF-15H or VTF-3 MK4)

A couple of questions.

How does the PL-89 compare to the RF-82II? Anyone done direct comparisons?

Anyone use the PL-66 with two seating rows? I currently have dipoles between my rows and don't like it. Was thinking of going with monopoles. My concern with the PL-66 is it looks like the tweeter is angled forward, so would miss the rear row.

Where to buy HT-64? Anyone know where you can get these? Per above, these are my monopole alternative to the PL-66.

Thanks for input

I have 2 PL-89s, 1 PL-28, 4 PL-66s and I'm very pleased with mine. I have my side surrounds with the tweeter angled toward the back of the room. I have the rear surrounds with the tweeter angled toward the side wall so it bounces off to give the reflection (I did this cuz of a huge computer desk that we have on our rear wall). Everthing sounds great, ambient sounds are just there in the surround field but discrete placed sounds are easy to pin point where they are. Look at acousticsounddesign.com for the complete Acoustech Line they offer great prices and a 15% discount if you say you are from AVS Forum.

I also have dual Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Pluses and am very pleased with them in my 23' X 11' X 7.5' room.

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I have been running an H100, PL-26, HT-64 fronts and PL-66 surrounds for a couple of years now. How much of a difference will I see replacing my HT-64's with the PL-76's, or just replacing my whole front stage with the PL-89 and PL-28?
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Ok so I posted a thread in speakers, if anyone wants to check that out as well. Basically I am a college student, with a pretty tight budget, but I'm looking to start building a decent system instead of buying an Onkyo 7409 HTiB (yay for me!). I'm looking to spend about $500, and I really don't want to go much above that for now. In about 2 years, I'll be looking to expand whatever I get now to a complete 5.1 system.

I think I have decided on the Denon 1612, as it is very highly rated on AVS and I can get a band new one for $200. It doesn't have the networking features that are REALLY nice on the Onkyo 609, but I have to sacrifice somewhere. That leaves me $300 to buy whatever I can now, and then I'll have to upgrade later.

Would it be better to buy 2 of the BIC FH-6T towers @ $155 each, or 3 FH6-LCR @ $111 each or even something else like 2 DV64 towers @ ~$120 each? (I know this is a BIC thread but someone mentioned Polk Monitor 40s or 60s also OR the Definitive Technology StudioMonitor 350 are available for $240 TODAY ONLY) I'll be in a pretty large pace this year (~400 sq ft) so buying 2 bookshelves and the F12 sub is not a very good option is it? I'd thing that the F12 really just doesn't stand a chance in such a big space. I will however be moving into a smaller (maybe ~200sq ft) space within 2 years, so maybe that isn't such a bad idea to get bookshelves and the F12.

Sorry for ranting; I have so many options flying through my head. Please don't be shy and post any opinions that you might have! Also, if you have any other input regarding the AVR, please let me know!

By the way, here is a link to the other thread: LINK
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Ok so I posted a thread in speakers, if anyone wants to check that out as well. Basically I am a college student, with a pretty tight budget, but I'm looking to start building a decent system instead of buying an Onkyo 7409 HTiB (yay for me!). I'm looking to spend about $500, and I really don't want to go much above that for now. In about 2 years, I'll be looking to expand whatever I get now to a complete 5.1 system.

I think I have decided on the Denon 1612, as it is very highly rated on AVS and I can get a band new one for $200. It doesn't have the networking features that are REALLY nice on the Onkyo 609, but I have to sacrifice somewhere. That leaves me $300 to buy whatever I can now, and then I'll have to upgrade later.

Would it be better to buy 2 of the BIC FH-6T towers @ $155 each, or 3 FH6-LCR @ $111 each or even something else like 2 DV64 towers @ ~$120 each? (I know this is a BIC thread but someone mentioned Polk Monitor 40s or 60s also OR the Definitive Technology StudioMonitor 350 are available for $240 TODAY ONLY) I'll be in a pretty large pace this year (~400 sq ft) so buying 2 bookshelves and the F12 sub is not a very good option is it? I'd thing that the F12 really just doesn't stand a chance in such a big space. I will however be moving into a smaller (maybe ~200sq ft) space within 2 years, so maybe that isn't such a bad idea to get bookshelves and the F12.

Sorry for ranting; I have so many options flying through my head. Please don't be shy and post any opinions that you might have! Also, if you have any other input regarding the AVR, please let me know!

By the way, here is a link to the other thread: LINK

I would but the receiver and a pair of PL76's. Then as later as money comes available upgrade the center then rears. It is better to have great stereo sound than to have barely passable 5.1.
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I would but the receiver and a pair of PL76's. Then as later as money comes available upgrade the center then rears. It is better to have great stereo sound than to have barely passable 5.1.

The PL76 are way out of my price range

I think I've decided that I will buy 2 or 3 of the FH6-LCRs and then build from there.

Do you think it would be a good idea to buy 2, and a sub to start with or 3 and no sub and work my way to 3.1 after some time? I'll be listening to music and watching movies so I think 2.1 sounds like the best choice for now. I just need to find a cheap sub to hold me over until I am willing to spend some more $$

Or I could buy 2, and then maybe a better AVR than the 1612? I really want networking and Audyssey MultiEQ!
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IMO if you are running bookshelf sized speakers then a sub is a must, and if you are not going to run a sub than floorstanding towers are a must.

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The PL76 are way out of my price range

I think I've decided that I will buy 2 or 3 of the FH6-LCRs and then build from there.

Do you think it would be a good idea to buy 2, and a sub to start with or 3 and no sub and work my way to 3.1 after some time? I'll be listening to music and watching movies so I think 2.1 sounds like the best choice for now. I just need to find a cheap sub to hold me over until I am willing to spend some more $$

Or I could buy 2, and then maybe a better AVR than the 1612? I really want networking and Audyssey MultiEQ!

If you can scrounge up another 75$ you could use the "Make Best Offer" and get a pair for $375 with shipping included.

That way it would run you only $575 total. I know, that extra $75 can sometimes seems like thousands of dollars when you are on a budget.

You could also get the FH-6T which is pretty comparable to the PL-76's and you can use Best Offer to get two of those for $300

Here is the link to them http://www.acousticsounddesign.com/c...pid=1767&sc=32

I still stand by the opinion that you will be best off getting 2 floor standing and upgrading as money allows vs getting just "OK" front and sub/5.1
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In the next couple months I will finally upgrade several of my speakers. Currently I'm running Radiient Calypso 5.0 speakers, along with BIC Acoustic HT-63 as the rear surrounds and a H100 sub. I'm thinking to replace all the Calypso with Acoustech. My center channel will be the PL-26, due to space restrictions on my entertainment stand. Most likely I will be picking up a PL200 as well for 7.2. PL-66's will replace the side speakers. As for the towers, I'm leaning toward the PL-76's as opposed to the PL-89's, mainly because I don't think I will need such large drivers in the towers with two separate subwoofers. Opinions on the tower choice?

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In the next couple months I will finally upgrade several of my speakers. Currently I'm running Radiient Calypso 5.0 speakers, along with BIC Acoustic HT-63 as the rear surrounds and a H100 sub. I'm thinking to replace all the Calypso with Acoustech. My center channel will be the PL-26, due to space restrictions on my entertainment stand. Most likely I will be picking up a PL200 as well for 7.2. PL-66's will replace the side speakers. As for the towers, I'm leaning toward the PL-76's as opposed to the PL-89's, mainly because I don't think I will need such large drivers in the towers with two separate subwoofers. Opinions on the tower choice?

At the risk of being slammed for my response which is not a direct answer to your question, may I provide a bit of perspective from my recent experience here?

I just finished upgrading from my Paradigm Monitor series 5.1 system after obtaining a five channel Nakamichi amp. After that install my speakers were begging for an upgrade.

I went with the Axiom Epic-60 system. I am wonderfully satisfied. Incredible!

http://www.axiomaudio.com/epic60_500.html

Good luck with whatever you choose. HT/audio is such a great hobby!
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Well that's all well and good, but those are beyond my budget. I'm settled on the Acoustech speakers.

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The FH-6T lineup is similar, but more budget friendly. Have you looked at those as well? I own the PL-89s and love them, but I also have never heard the 76s.
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Well that's all well and good, but those are beyond my budget. I'm settled on the Acoustech speakers.

Understood....

I subscribed to this thread long ago given my interest in the Acoustech brand. When in LA I really tried to audition them at several dealers as well as their headquarters but had no luck.

I've always wanted to audition a set....
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The FH-6T lineup is similar, but more budget friendly. Have you looked at those as well? I own the PL-89s and love them, but I also have never heard the 76s.

Financially, I can afford the 89's over the 76's, I'm just wondering if it is worth spending the extra cash since I'm planning on running two subs

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Financially, I can afford the 89's over the 76's, I'm just wondering if it is worth spending the extra cash since I'm planning on running two subs

Gotcha. For me, I knew going with the 89s would eliminate buyer's remorse while allowing me flexibility of placement in whatever various rooms my future may hold.
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Gotcha. For me, I knew going with the 89s would eliminate buyer's remorse while allowing me flexibility of placement in whatever various rooms my future may hold.

Are you pleased with the midrange from the 89's? My slight concern is that 8" drivers would not handle midrange as well as 6.5" drivers, though I'm no expert

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Are you pleased with the midrange from the 89's? My slight concern is that 8" drivers would not handle midrange as well as 6.5" drivers, though I'm no expert

I'm no audiophile, but I would agree with some other comments that state the 89s lack midrange as far as bass goes. I have mine paired with a VK-12 which helps a little, but I am sensing that something something is missing.
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I called the two primary online Sellers and asked that very question. They both responded the same. It depends on room size, as well as how loud you intend to run them. Basic response is that the 89's will play louder. If its your average family room theater the 76 series would be perfect and the 89 series would be a waste of money. Im ordering the 26 & 76
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Thanks for that info. I will play them loud enough but not LOUD. Looks like I'll go with the 76's.


Oooh, can't wait! The Radiient Calypso's were nice, especially for the $200 closeout price I paid, but it's been a long time coming for some speaker upgrading. The difference between what the Calypso side surround speaker puts out and my HT-63 rear surrounds put out is night and day, both on top and bottom end. The wife is not going to be thrilled about two subs, but better to buy everything now and let her get used to it rather than try to add another sub later.


Most likely, I'm going to go with a Onkyo 709 to replace my trusty, but outdated Denon AVR-888.

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Financially, I can afford the 89's over the 76's, I'm just wondering if it is worth spending the extra cash since I'm planning on running two subs

I have the 89s in the front with 2 PL 200 subs and the 76s as rear surrounds with the 66s as surrounds. You will defiantly be more than happy with the 89s if you go that way.

I posted a while back of the 89s and the 76s side by side to show the size difference.
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I'm considering the 76's as well. How are they musically? My issue is the in walls I have are too bright and are missing the hard midbass kick.
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I was told the horn loaded sysy is better for home theater as yje dialogue is very crisp and clear. Of music was your main focus a dome tweeter system would be better.
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