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My amp died and was wondering if anyone has gone from the pl200 to the svs pb1000. Was there a noticeable difference? Room is about 2600 cubic feet with 90% Movies/gaming.

I can't remember if I even noticed a difference when coming from the Bic f12 because I didn't do a direct comparison.

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My amp died and was wondering if anyone has gone from the pl200 to the svs pb1000. Was there a noticeable difference? Room is about 2600 cubic feet with 90% Movies/gaming.

I can't remember if I even noticed a difference when coming from the Bic f12 because I didn't do a direct comparison.
When did you buy it? It may still be under warranty.
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My amp died and was wondering if anyone has gone from the pl200 to the svs pb1000. Was there a noticeable difference? Room is about 2600 cubic feet with 90% Movies/gaming.

I can't remember if I even noticed a difference when coming from the Bic f12 because I didn't do a direct comparison.
I have the same movie/game mixture, and upgraded to the SVS PB12-NSD. Night and day difference. Absolutely worth the investment.
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Awesome, thanks. I'll just get one.

BTW, it's out of warranty
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Awesome, thanks. I'll just get one.

BTW, it's out of warranty
Just get the HSU VTF2 MK4

http://hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-2-mk4.html

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I have the same movie/game mixture, and upgraded to the SVS PB12-NSD. Night and day difference. Absolutely worth the investment.
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Awesome, thanks. I'll just get one.

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What are you all driving your 980's with? I hooked mine up to my Yamaha RXV-773 and I think it is underpowered for these big boys. They just don't have that dynamic sound that my pl76 have on the same amp. Especially at high volume. So I am thinking with going to a external amplifier and was wondering if anyone has done this and if so what amplifier? Seams like I remember someone driving these with a Crown amp.
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What are you all driving your 980's with? I hooked mine up to my Yamaha RXV-773 and I think it is underpowered for these big boys. They just don't have that dynamic sound that my pl76 have on the same amp. Especially at high volume. So I am thinking with going to a external amplifier and was wondering if anyone has done this and if so what amplifier? Seams like I remember someone driving these with a Crown amp.
I'm using an Emotiva XPA-100 (250 @ 8 ohms) on each of mine.

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I'm using an Emotiva XPA-100 (250 @ 8 ohms) on each of mine.
Did you find a good improvement by going with bigger power? I have been looking at an Alesis RA-500 on Amazon. 150@8ohms PC.
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To me, they sounded better/fuller. I wanted to be towards the upper portion of the RMS rating. BIC says 10-300 RMS and 750 max. I had to do a little tweaking after calibration, but I noticed a difference. Just my opinion though. I wanted to be able to run 7.2.4 and had to get external amp(s) regardless.

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hey guys,
I have been reading through this thread and I had a few questions I think yall might be able to answer and help with. My current setup is a modest one; pioneer sp-fs52 and matching center, onkyo tx-nr646 (100w/channel), bic pl-200, and polk tl2 (x4) all in a 7.1 format. My living room size is about 15'x18' and open on two ends. Now dont get me wrong, this set up does do a good job but it just doesnt have the "presence" I am wanting for HT. Anything over 55 on the volume control and things start to get muddy and it sounds like thats max volume for my speakers capabilities. I was looking at the the horn wave guide speakers like the BICs, PSA, KLIPSCH, and even the svs prime (would love to afford a full svs ultra setup) and was wondering if this would be the solution I'm looking for. Most of my listening is tv/movies and the occasional music session as well and i am still wanting to enjoy the musicality but still wanting that real movie theater feel. I know I might be asking the impossible with my budget because I am sure there are companies out there that make increadable dual purpose speakers but I was just wanting to get some of your thoughts/opinions. Thank you for your time,
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hey guys,
I have been reading through this thread and I had a few questions I think yall might be able to answer and help with. My current setup is a modest one; pioneer sp-fs52 and matching center, onkyo tx-nr646 (100w/channel), bic pl-200, and polk tl2 (x4) all in a 7.1 format. My living room size is about 15'x18' and open on two ends. Now dont get me wrong, this set up does do a good job but it just doesnt have the "presence" I am wanting for HT. Anything over 55 on the volume control and things start to get muddy and it sounds like thats max volume for my speakers capabilities. I was looking at the the horn wave guide speakers like the BICs, PSA, KLIPSCH, and even the svs prime (would love to afford a full svs ultra setup) and was wondering if this would be the solution I'm looking for. Most of my listening is tv/movies and the occasional music session as well and i am still wanting to enjoy the musicality but still wanting that real movie theater feel. I know I might be asking the impossible with my budget because I am sure there are companies out there that make increadable dual purpose speakers but I was just wanting to get some of your thoughts/opinions. Thank you for your time,
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The Pioneer speakers are good for music, but for HT the center speaker generates a lot of complaints about its lack of voice clarity. So, I would suggest this upgrade path:

1. start by getting a single BIC FH-6LCR for your center.
2. if you still aren't satisfied with your front stage dynamics/detail then add a pair of FH-6LCR.
3. if you want more bass output, add a second PL200 sub or sell your current PL200 and get something in the $500-600 range from SVS, Hsu, Rythmik, etc.

You can order the FH-6 from the Walmart website shipped free to your local Wallyworld, for maximum ease of return in case you aren't satisfied with them...so it's basically a risk-free proposition.

~ HT ain't rocket science. Most just want clear dialogue out of the center (70-80% of output), boom-boom from the sub, enough detail/dynamics from the front L/R...maybe $100-300 per speaker, $30-$60 per surround. There is a vocal minority that derives great pride & pleasure from blowing far more $$$ for perhaps an extra 5-10% improvement...well, this is good for the economy. Figure out which camp you are in, and proceed accordingly. ;)
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The Pioneer speakers are good for music, but for HT the center speaker generates a lot of complaints about its lack of voice clarity. So, I would suggest this upgrade path:

1. start by getting a single BIC FH-6LCR for your center.
2. if you still aren't satisfied with your front stage dynamics/detail then add a pair of FH-6LCR.
3. if you want more bass output, add a second PL200 sub or sell your current PL200 and get something in the $500-600 range from SVS, Hsu, Rythmik, etc.

You can order the FH-6 from the Walmart website shipped free to your local Wallyworld, for maximum ease of return in case you aren't satisfied with them...so it's basically a risk-free proposition.
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thanks for the reply. Just out of curiosity later on down the line if I like the BICs and want to match them would if be a better idea to go with the pl-89 front towers or match them to the fh-6t?
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Zorba,
thanks for the reply. Just out of curiosity later on down the line if I like the BICs and want to match them would if be a better idea to go with the pl-89 front towers or match them to the fh-6t?
I think the PL89 would be worthwhile if you have a really big space and sit far away (over 12feet, maybe) from the fronts, AND if you like to listen at very loud volumes. If it's in an average sized space and you're fine with average volume levels, then 3 x FH-6 should be fine for HT...I'd upgrade the subwoofer before upgrading to towers, though...the PB2000 is quite tempting at their outlet pricing:
http://www.svsound.com/collections/o...als/outlet-sub

The matching center for the PL89 is the PL28. Yet one reviewer had a surprising conclusion after trying both the FH-6LCR and the PL28 (scroll down to his last update):
http://www.amazon.com/review/R1DYBWM...cm_cr_rdp_perm

~ HT ain't rocket science. Most just want clear dialogue out of the center (70-80% of output), boom-boom from the sub, enough detail/dynamics from the front L/R...maybe $100-300 per speaker, $30-$60 per surround. There is a vocal minority that derives great pride & pleasure from blowing far more $$$ for perhaps an extra 5-10% improvement...well, this is good for the economy. Figure out which camp you are in, and proceed accordingly. ;)
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Yeah I have been drooling over the pb2000 for a while now and it will probibly be my next big upgrade. I for the fh-6lcr for $103 yesterday with free shipping so I am gonna take it for a spin. As for space, I sit a about 11-12 feet from the towers and i do like to play movies above reference level and have it clear which is why I was inquiring in the first place. thanks again for the time and suggestions
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Update:
I got the center channel delivered yesterday and here are a few first impressions.
The box rattled when I got it and upon opening the box the left side driver's screws had basically stripped out from the cabinet. The cabinet appears to be more of a very thick compressed cardboard instead of MDF (the cost savings drawback I assume). As I cant really return it without a lot of hassle I just rotated the driver, drilled some pilot holes and reattached it to the cabinet as there didn't appear to be any other damage.
I plugged it in and pulled out the SPL meter to level match to the other speakers and adjusted the crossover in the receiver to match the bic specs. This speaker had to be turned down -7db to match the output of my pioneer sp-fs52s, holy hell I can't imagine how loud these would be set loose in the wild. Once it was all up and running I was a little unimpressed with the tonality. The tweeter is clear as a bell and will rock your face off volume wise but it didn't seem like the speaker was playing a fullness and range of frequencies that I was expecting. BUT, I have read and heard that you have to give this speaker time to break in so I will get back to y'all on this initial first impression.
All in all I have to take off a few points for build and material quality but it is clear, not screatchy, and can play at volumes that will get you kicked out of anyplace that has close neighbors effortlessly. like i said i will give the speaker time to break in and then get back with you.

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I got the center channel delivered yesterday and here are a few first impressions.
The box rattled when I got it and upon opening the box the left side driver's screws had basically stripped out from the cabinet. The cabinet appears to be more of a very thick compressed cardboard instead of MDF (the cost savings drawback I assume). As I cant really return it without a lot of hassle I just rotated the driver, drilled some pilot holes and reattached it to the cabinet as there didn't appear to be any other damage.
I plugged it in and pulled out the SPL meter to level match to the other speakers and adjusted the crossover in the receiver to match the bic specs. This speaker had to be turned down -7db to match the output of my pioneer sp-fs52s, holy hell I can't imagine how loud these would be set loose in the wild. Once it was all up and running I was a little unimpressed with the tonality. The tweeter is clear as a bell and will rock your face off volume wise but it didn't seem like the speaker was playing a fullness and range of frequencies that I was expecting. BUT, I have read and heard that you have to give this speaker time to break in so I will get back to y'all on this initial first impression.
All in all I have to take off a few points for build and material quality but it is clear, not screatchy, and can play at volumes that will get you kicked out of anyplace that has close neighbors effortlessly. like i said i will give the speaker time to break in and then get back with you.
Ha, sounds like the first FH-6LCR that I received, also had a loose driver. I just ordered a second one and returned the first one at Walmart when I came to pick it up...second time, I made sure to shake the box vigorously at the pickup counter in the store, lol.

The "tonality" is indeed quite rolled off up top...the 40Hz bass extension spec is a joke, the reality is about 70-80Hz. But not really relevant if you have a good subwoofer in play. The sound did improve a good bit after I left it on for a couple days while I was away at work.

~ HT ain't rocket science. Most just want clear dialogue out of the center (70-80% of output), boom-boom from the sub, enough detail/dynamics from the front L/R...maybe $100-300 per speaker, $30-$60 per surround. There is a vocal minority that derives great pride & pleasure from blowing far more $$$ for perhaps an extra 5-10% improvement...well, this is good for the economy. Figure out which camp you are in, and proceed accordingly. ;)
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I have the same issue and I was thinking it's the reciever upgrade I did at the same time I upgraded to the PL 89's.
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