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The logical answer is that the designer and manufacturer know their stuff, and built it with the correct orientation. If it helps, I have their Platinum line, and the 3" dimension is horizontal, while the 4" dimension is vertical. I have read posts where people have called the manufacturer and been told the orientation on the FH-6 wasn't critical, and I have read posts where people rotated the horns to match across the front stage. I would personally rotate it/them so the 4" dimension is vertical.

When you say built it with the correct orientation, do you mean as a center channel lying horizontally? So, if I use them as my Left/Right I should rotate them?
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I have had them orientated both wa without switching the tweeter.....works fine.
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When you say built it with the correct orientation, do you mean as a center channel lying horizontally? So, if I use them as my Left/Right I should rotate them?

Yes. I was talking about the orientation of the horn itself. As I said, I have the Platinum series, and all the horns are the same orientation (3" horizontal, 4" vertical). Measure the rectangular opening of your horns with the speakers in their final position.


Here's another post about it (The original poster had modified his the wrong way).


BIC FH6-LCR Horn Tweeter Mod / Review of the DV-62si


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He didn't quite understand the horns, so his mod wasn't a great idea. The original orientation of the horn was correct. If you were to stand the speaker vertically, yeah, you would want to rotate the horn. The sides with the greater surface area will produce a greater and more even dispersion. The way he set it up, he sacrificed horizontal axis response for a better vertical response, but horizontal response typically has a much greater effect on how good the speaker sounds. Only rotate the horns if you are going to stand the LCR up vertically.

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i just got the dv62 clr is there a big difference between that and the fh6lcr .i can send back the dv62 if need be
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i just got the dv62 clr is there a big difference between that and the fh6lcr .i can send back the dv62 if need be
If you're in the US, you can order the FH6 for free pickup at your nearest Walmart for a no-risk 90 day trial, and compare the 2 speakers side by side for yourself.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/BIC-FH6-L...eaker/10298559

They go in and out of stock every couple of weeks.

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i just got the dv62 clr is there a big difference between that and the fh6lcr .i can send back the dv62 if need be

62CLRS is dome tweeter and FH6 LCR is a horn tweeter, which are known to be more sensitive. However, that 62CLRS was a great center channel when I had it. Very powerful speaker and lifelike sounds. Has good sensitivity, too.


Usually horns are known as being more sensitive, but in my upcoming speaker shootout, that myth will soon be proven wrong!!
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just didnt know if it was that big of differnce to hassle with or maybe the pll 28 would be a choice .dont get me wrong the dv62 sounds go to me it is better then the yamaha i have had for 20 years(made in usa)very detailed sound out of tthe tweeter on the bic was very happy ,always want more ha.

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I just upgraded my mains L/R from the FH6`s to the D62-3lcr.


The FH6`s were outstanding for movies and OK for music.


The 6db difference at 1 watt is very noticable, but they sound much much much better for music.

The d62`s do excellent for music and good to very good for movies.


I still have fh6 center,surrounds and atmos ceiling ones, not sure I want to swap those out as I do not do much surround music as of now.

I am now considering a AT screen and mounting both the d62`s and the fh6`s behind the screen and using a A/B switch to use the 2 different speakers.......that or take the extra 2 fh6`s and do 4 ceiling speakers for atmos.

I will use the new d62`s for while and see if I can live with them for movies......they blow the fh6`s away for music.......I could never quite tame the horn loaded tweeters down for music..

Soo, if you do movies only...the FH6`s are the clear winner, for music use the d62-3lcr is the clear winner........for mixed use I would say the d62`s are the winner. You will just need to crank the volume up considerably more to get the same output from the d62`s.

I am using a pioneer elite vsx - lx301 and had plenty of volume left to do this.......

I also did some tricky settings.........rather than let room correction dial it all back to match the new speakers, I run the new speakers 3db hotter than the fh6`s to keep ,MCACC wants to dial back the fh6`s and that takes up available volume.

Not that it matters that much as I have the reciver limited to 0 MV, but it goes to +16.......listening level before was at approx -12.5 to - 18, with the d62`s it is approx -4 to -12.........to get the same loudness.

I kept and will be keeping the fh6 center for now, unless I get some sort of sound issues associated with mixed speakers it will stay. I will say movies also seem less harsh on the ears now with the d62-3 lcr`s......

They are a much much warmer less harsh speaker than the FH6`s, but the FH6`s are just soooooo good with movies it makes it hard to give them up, thats why I am considering the A/B switch and keeping them for movies.

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I just upgraded my mains L/R from the FH6`s to the D62-3lcr.


The FH6`s were outstanding for movies and OK for music.


The 6db difference at 1 watt is very noticable, but they sound much much much better for music.

The d62`s do excellent for music and good to very good for movies.


I still have fh6 center,surrounds and atmos ceiling ones, not sure I want to swap those out as I do not do much surround music as of now.

I am now considering a AT screen and mounting both the d62`s and the fh6`s behind the screen and using a A/B switch to use the 2 different speakers.......that or take the extra 2 fh6`s and do 4 ceiling speakers for atmos.

I will use the new d62`s for while and see if I can live with them for movies......they blow the fh6`s away for music.......I could never quite tame the horn loaded tweeters down for music..

Soo, if you do movies only...the FH6`s are the clear winner, for music use the d62-3lcr is the clear winner........for mixed use I would say the d62`s are the winner. You will just need to crank the volume up considerably more to get the same output from the d62`s.

I am using a pioneer elite vsx - lx301 and had plenty of volume left to do this.......

I also did some tricky settings.........rather than let room correction dial it all back to match the new speakers, I run the new speakers 3db hotter than the fh6`s to keep ,MCACC wants to dial back the fh6`s and that takes up available volume.

Not that it matters that much as I have the reciver limited to 0 MV, but it goes to +16.......listening level before was at approx -12.5 to - 18, with the d62`s it is approx -4 to -12.........to get the same loudness.

I kept and will be keeping the fh6 center for now, unless I get some sort of sound issues associated with mixed speakers it will stay. I will say movies also seem less harsh on the ears now with the d62-3 lcr`s......

They are a much much warmer less harsh speaker than the FH6`s, but the FH6`s are just soooooo good with movies it makes it hard to give them up, thats why I am considering the A/B switch and keeping them for movies.
So you like the FH6 for movies, but you find them harsh sounding? Are you also finding the center to be harsh with movies?
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So you like the FH6 for movies, but you find them harsh sounding? Are you also finding the center to be harsh with movies?

Perfect for movies....harsh for music.

Soo good for movies in fact I just ordered a selector switch so I can keep them........also will have to upgrade to a AT screen to do this.

Thats how good I think they are for movies....willing to spend money on a good switch and replace my screen to keep them good!

I listen to all music styles and I would say the fh6`s do good on 50% of the music styles and acceptable on the rest and very poorly on maybe 10% of music. The FH6`s are just not that great for music if you are into high quality sound.

If you are not super picky about sound quality then they might do a great job. Part of me doing this system was great/outstanding sounding music reproduction, soo in that aspect, GOOD souding music is not acceptable.

The FH6 is not horrible or unlistenable for music.......I have had and heard way worse in the same class of speaker. I could have tolerated the quality of the soud if it was not for the harsh horn loaded tweeters that required EQ to tame down and whe you tamed them down for music, they lost a lot of the tonal qualities.

For a 20x30 basement and rocking out with a crowd, they would be excellent or backyard BBQ speakers, they would also be great. For a dedicated treated music room.....no.


The horn loaded tweeters do a good job of exposing low quality content from the web.....if I did not stream music from poor sources and youtube, I might have just kept the fh6`s for music, especially if all of my music listening was from CD`s.

The D62-3lcr tolerates poor quality music a little better and overall sounds much better for all music.

Soo for all movies...they are great........for dedicated music rooms, no.

Keep in mind we are talking basic entry level speakers, so none of them are audiophile grade. I just selected the D62-3lcr to try and keep it matched to my other speakers as much as possible and stay with bic brand.

For the retail price, which I did not pay, I am sure there are many that sound as good as the D62-3lcr`s and many that sound better.

But for movies only, it would be hard to beat the FH6`s without spending much much more money.........all the qualities the FH6`s lack for music are exactly what you want in a movie speaker.

I selected the FH6`s for strictly movie use, but the room has evolved into a lot of music use. Keep in mind this is lights off,room sealed, layed back in the recliner music use.

When I had the FH6`s on for music and was in another room cooking/eating or cleaning the house they were perfectly fine for music.


But for 2-6 hour lights off reclined back in a dedicated sealed room.......they were nothing to write home about and small issues with the fh6`s became large issues in that application.

Also a factor to keep in mind is I am in a 144 square foot room...12x12.....a 400 square foot room would ease some of the issues...the fh6`s get crazy loud with very little power and even louder with more. A huge 400 square foot plus room or outside use might very well change my take on them for music.

I had absolutly no issues or complaints for movies with the fh6`s.......I am not sure it gets much or any better for movies in the same style/class speaker. For movies only it was giggles and smiles each time with no thoughts of upgrading and many thoughts of it would be hard to get any better than this.

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Help!

First post for a longtime lurker. I really appreciate all the helpful posts everyone has on here, I finally ran into a problem I'm not sure how to fix.
 
I picked up the 5.2 Acoustech setup and now I'm wondering if I will be able to use the PL-66s that came with it. I included a picture of the wall I was planning on mounting them to.
 
The room is 12x22 and I know with a 5.1 surrounds are recommended to be at more of an angle and not directly behing, but this is what I'm working with.
 
Will the PL-66s work here or will the horns be way too close to the side walls? Suggestions/tips/pictures/prayers appreciated!
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I just wanted to share my review of the BIC PL-980

http://averagejoeaudiophile.blogspot...irect-bic.html

I was lucky enough to be offered a review pair of BIC PL-980 towers by the great people at [Acoustic Sound Design](www.acousticsounddesign.com). In case the name is new to you; the BIC brand has been around since the early 70's and the since its re-introduction in 2003, the Acoustech line has had a strong cult Home Theater following with overwhelming praise from their owners. I've been given the chance to spend some time with their current flagship Acoustech PL-980 tower speakers, and believe me they embody the definition of tower.

Coming in at 47 inches tall and about a foot square, the first thing you notice is the sheer size. Easily the biggest speakers I've taken home, dwarfing my Pinnacle BD 2500's. These are not speakers to be trifled with, so take the WAF into consideration. Not only in physical stature are they impressive, but also in the sound they put out. There is no question, these can fill a big room with big sound and sound good doing so.

The speakers are marked as left and right as indicated by the placement of the side passive radiator. I would take the left and right designation more as a grain of salt than an unbreakable placement rule. Depending on your listening position, room, or entertainment console; you might want to play with orientation to see what works best.

**So How do These Skyscrapers Sound?**

First, they are not has bright or harsh as you might expect in a budget priced speaker with a horn tweeter to be. Have no fear of an angry bright speaker. If anything their output at the highest registers remains smooth and mellow. It wouldn’t be fair to set the expectations that these are primarily intended as critical listening speakers, and I don’t think that’s what BIC or their fan base would argue either. There are more than few places where the BIC PL-980 really shine. I had great luck with Rap/Hip-Hop, Techno/EDM and was especially pleased with home theater usage. The latter being the most commonly advertised use case. Both in music and home theater, the PL-980s are capable of some pretty impressively deep and full bass. They won’t have the tactile sub-bass rumble in the floor during a Michael Bay movie, but you won’t be missing out on much else.

The PL-980 do a really good job of creating a strong center image, I ran them with a little bit of toe in and they still threw of a huge sound stage. The dedicated mid-range, really brings out vocals in generally a good way, smooth, clear and well centered. Across the test tracks vocals were most often clean, clear and free of being harsh, but could sometimes be a bit forward, something that was a bit of a boon in my home theater testing.

See my listening impressions at the end for additional context.

Is there anything that can shake these towers? They do struggle in one respect, at being polite. While the horn tweeter performs well enough, it doesn't carry much of the audio load and is more muted than I anticipated; and while the midrange generally did well with vocals, it can over emphasize electric guitars in some mixes and some musical tastes. I think this may, at least in part, be an issue of the shallow crossovers on the bass and tweeter drivers, the crossover at almost the exact midpoint of the midranges response and measurable null at 2khz. Complicated bass lines can lose little bit of definition, however many users report that these really sing with some strong power behind them and I can definitely believe that to be true and help bring out some of the bass detail and definition.

**How Did They Measure?**

[BIC PL-980 close mic driver measurements:](http://i.imgur.com/i1bXUuC.jpg)

The BIC PL-980 is a 3 way system using a horn loaded tweeter and passive radiators rather than ports. The closed back midrange appears to steeply band passed, while the tweeter and woofers both have comparatively shallow crossovers. Due to the shallow slopes, there is a bit of cone break up that happens to the woofers, however it is relatively smooth and seems to manifest more in nulls rather than spikes. The front and side mounted passive radiators look to be tuned at about 40hz.

[BIC PL-980 close mic driver measurements overlaid with 1m:]( http://i.imgur.com/7BS35om.jpg)

Overlaying a the 1m outdoor on axis measurement (gated and blended with close mic measurements at 400hz) with the driver measurements, you can see that on the tweeter access there a bit of a null that occurs and is centered at exact peak of the midrange output and the crossover point between the tweeter and woofers. I would be very interested to see how this would change with a steeper crossover on the woofers. It might be a great DIY hack for enthusiast owners.

Because the towers are so tall, seated your ears maybe more in line with the midrange rather than the tweeters, changing the perceived output and bringing the midrange forward.

It is also worth to note that in these measurements the Midrange has about 5db on the woofers output, but remember there are two woofer and passive radiators with equal output. (Second driver is not shown but matches output exactly)

[BIC PL-980 gated 1m outdoor measurements. 1/12 smoothing. Prior to blending after 400hz. Grill vs No Grill.](http://i.imgur.com/5H751zl.jpg)

A nice benefit to those who don't want to see drivers or need to protect drivers from over inquisitive hands or paws; is that the grills while plenty beefy remain suitably transparent. Bringing output down a few DB's but not adding any nulls or peaks as some grills can. [EDIT] **Colors were reversed in the image description**

[BIC PL-980 gated 1m outdoor measurements. 1/12 smoothing. Prior to blending after 400hz. Horizontal axis.](http://i.imgur.com/sRnSV9w.jpg)

There is some significant loss of output past 30 degrees, but the performance remains smooth.

**TL;DR**

I think different people will like PL-980s for different and possibly opposite reasons. Metal heads might love these because they can turn things up to 11 without the whole experience falling apart. All your electric guitar can go balls to the wall and in your face. Hip hop/rap fans will like these because of their ability to get loud and full room filling sound that can still hit the deepest of 808's. Home theater users will have a big tower that throws a huge soundstage and sounds good doing so. You'll still want a subwoofer to shake the room, but you won’t be missing much besides the tactile feedback of sub-bass.

No speakers is perfect, and many perform better in certain situations. Overall these are going to be another solid option that compare very favorably to their most obvious and often more expensive competition from Klipsch. General enthusiast and owner reviews are overwhelmingly positive, so you’ll be in good company if you give these a shot. While measurements are not the end of the discussion, they measure better than speakers more than a few price points higher. If you're looking for a big easily assessable home theater speaker package, these should be on the short list. Acousticsounddesign.com also has pretty unique buying format where you can make offers on their packages and see if it is accepted. No doubt some great deals will be had.

I'm very happy I got the chance to spend a few weeks with the BIC PL-980, they do a lot of things really well and more people should take the time to investigate them as an option.
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