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post #1261 of 1948 Old 09-27-2011, 11:31 AM
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Also how does 6816 sounds for surround and back?

I use 6816s for my fronts, surrounds and surround backs. I couldn't be happier with them. I think, so far, only one person has directly compared them to the 7604s, and everyone's been jumping on that bandwagon ever since. The 6816s are rated more highly power-wise than the 7604s and have a larger woofer.

I really wish I'd had the chance to hear the 7604s for myself, but suffice to say, I am very pleased with the 6816s.
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[quote=fitbrit;21006677]I use 6816s for my fronts, surrounds and surround backs.


Thanks fitbrit for your reply and this is the reason we we need more feedback on 7604, specially from people who are using them as fronts. Another thing also confusing is, on Monoprice 6816 has great reviews but not so much on 7604.

What are you using as your center?
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yea, bills, I noticed that too. If you were going to make a purchase based on this thread you would for sure get the 7604s, but if you were going to make a purchase based on the reviews on the MP site you would for sure get the 6816s.
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Thanks fitbrit for your reply and this is the reason we we need more feedback on 7604, specially from people who are using them as fronts. Another thing also confusing is, on Monoprice 6816 has great reviews but not so much on 7604.

What are you using as your center?

It's all detailed in this post and these pictures:


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Hey guys,
I will soon have a spare 7604. If anyone wants it let me know. I live in boston, but will ship wherever if you don't mind paying the shipping.
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punkbrain...please post results of your 7604 once you have installed.
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Im re-doing a friends old living room AV setup and need some help. All of the speakers are in the ceiling (even the center channel) It was like this when the house was purchased. Thing is, all of the speakers in the ceiling are technically "in wall" speakers.

I was wondering if I can use the 7604's for the LR Fronts and LR Rears in the ceiling even though they are rated in wall speakers. Will they still sound ok?

And i suggested instead of putting the center channel back in the ceiling, to buy a seperate center channel and put it on the shelf above the TV. Anyone have any recommendations on a center channel that would compliment the MP 7604's? I was looking into the B.I.C. Venturi DV62CLR-S
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What are the thoughts on the 6816s vs the Pioneer S-IW851? They're on sale for cheaper than monoprice speakers.
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I'm thinking of going with Monoprice in-walls for a 5.1 setup in my family room. My current plan is to go with 4 6816s as the L/R and the surrounds.

For the center channel, I suppose I'm leaning toward the 7604, since so many people in this thread have used one for the center and been very pleased. Most of them have been matched with 7604s as the L and R though. It makes me wonder if I should go with the 7604, with it's near universal praise, or perhaps take a flyer on the 6816 as the center for consistency with the other speakers.

I haven't seen anyone in this thread who has used the 6816 as the center channel - anyone want to come out of the woodwork who has and comment? Any reason why the 6816 shouldn't be used as a center channel?

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P.S. Do I have it right that "microflange" simply refers to having a very thin "frame" around the speaker - so the 7604 shows more "frame" than the 6816?
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Any comments re: using the 6816 as a center channel?


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I'm thinking of going with Monoprice in-walls for a 5.1 setup in my family room. My current plan is to go with 4 6816s as the L/R and the surrounds.

For the center channel, I suppose I'm leaning toward the 7604, since so many people in this thread have used one for the center and been very pleased. Most of them have been matched with 7604s as the L and R though. It makes me wonder if I should go with the 7604, with it's near universal praise, or perhaps take a flyer on the 6816 as the center for consistency with the other speakers.

I haven't seen anyone in this thread who has used the 6816 as the center channel - anyone want to come out of the woodwork who has and comment? Any reason why the 6816 shouldn't be used as a center channel?

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P.S. Do I have it right that "microflange" simply refers to having a very thin "frame" around the speaker - so the 7604 shows more "frame" than the 6816?

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I can't speak to the 6816 as (thanks to this thread) I went with the 7604s for LCR, but the microflange definitely just refers to the little frame/edge sticking out from the wall. I was worried that it would cause them to stand out too much on my wall (all deep red with the speakers painted the same to blend in) but it's not too bad.
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I read through this entire thread (whew!), and went with Monoprice 7604's for my LCR channels. As a result, I have an extra 7604. If anyone is interested in it, shoot me a message. I live in Dallas, but I'll ship to anywhere in the US if you pay shipping.

On another note, the 7604's sound great. I paired them with 4103's and a standalone sub (Onkyo) that came with my receiver in 5.1 configuration. I'm very happy with my decision. Thanks to everyone here for all of the great information!
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Pulled the trigger this morning - figured what the heck....if its everything else like monoprice, I'll be blown away by how much a $40 per speaker unit sounds.....

Got 6816's for the the L, R, LS, and RS, got the 6317 center, and two 4103's for the rear effects for a 7.1 system. Replacing a mismatched old Design Acoustics PS10 bookshelfs for the LR (that I recently re-foamed), Polk Center, and two Bose bookselfs for the surround LR.

If the sound is even slightly better than comparable, I'll be happy - especially just to get the obstructions out of the projector area.
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Pulled the trigger this morning - figured what the heck....if its everything else like monoprice, I'll be blown away by how much a $40 per speaker unit sounds.....

Got 6816's for the the L, R, LS, and RS, got the 6317 center, and two 4103's for the rear effects for a 7.1 system. Replacing a mismatched old Design Acoustics PS10 bookshelfs for the LR (that I recently re-foamed), Polk Center, and two Bose bookselfs for the surround LR.

If the sound is even slightly better than comparable, I'll be happy - especially just to get the obstructions out of the projector area.

Do you have a sub?
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Yes, I have a Bic Acoustech
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Yes, I have a Bic Acoustech

I think you'll be happy once the 6816s are in the walls. X-over at 50-60hz
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I'm selling a spare 7604 that I didn't need... like punkbrain above, I'll ship anyway if you pay. PM me if interested.


BTW, I'm loving my 7604/4103 setup and can't wait to get it cranked up with my HT (so far only FM stereo uses as I've been building my home). I'm thinking I'll pair that withe Bic Acoustech sub linked above... most of my listening is HT related anyway and my Denon 2112's Audessey should help meld the MP speakers and sub well.
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Packages arrived on Friday and spent most of today setting things up. They passed the eyeball test - sturdy, fairly heavy, felt solid. Packaging was great, and the install was very easy (once I figured out which template to use - its not perfectly clear and the labeling makes you pause for a second or two).

I connected one of the 6816's and placed it next to bookshelf PS-10 I have now. I knew that the speaker lost something when held in open air as it needs the wall enclosure to help things out (as has been documented here many times previously). So, knowing that, I wasnt expecting a reveleation.....but my existing bookshelf was noticeably better. Now, I may not have had the best environment - sitting in the ground, with my face and head right in front of each speaker, but the 6816 didnt nearly produce as full of a sound at all.

SO here's the dilemma. Maybe my existing speaker is better than I was giving it credit for. I know the 6816 will sound better in the wall, but the difference between the two was significant enough ( in my mind) that I dont want to cut the hole in the wall, get it set up, and still not like the sound as much as what I have. To cut or not to cut.

Now, the 6816's and the 4103's I used for my LS, RS, and LC/RC backs are just fine...as surrounds they are great and are definitely better than what I had.

I should probably just do it and cut the hole....the wuss factor is setting in over the possibility of patching and mudding the drywall hole if I dont like the end result.
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Hello all. I recently purchased four 6.5" and two 8" Monoprice (4103 and 4104) in-ceiling speakers for the kitchen, dining room, and living room which we are having remodeled.

I'm trying to figure out how much power I need for them. Starting out, these three sets will be wired to impedence matching volume controls which will then feed into a connecting block which is hooked up to a single amp.

This is not a critical listening application. The source for these speakers will be a SONOS box that is playing mp3s and whatnot from my NAS, and Pandora and internet radio stations. Listening levels will be moderate, rarely ever being louder than what you could talk over by slightly raising your voice.

I assume that these are not very efficient speakers and that I should have at LEAST a two channel amp putting out 100 WPC. What I don't understand, and am having difficulty getting information on, is if there is a formula for the wattage falloff of adding additional pairs of speakers. Is this power going to be adequate to give me decent sound at moderate listening levels?

From those of you who have used these speakers in this sort of application, what have you found to be adequate power?

I'm looking at some used Sonance Sonamp units (@ $100) in large part because I like the auto-on feature. The amp will be in the basement and I do not want to just leave it on burning power when it's not needed. However, the higher power Sonamp units ramp up in price pretty steeply.

Another option is the Dayton Audio APA150 ($160) but it looks like at 8 ohm it's barely pushing out 50 WPC into stereo.

I'm totally open to suggestions. Looking to stay under $150, happy to go used.

Thanks in advance.
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The 4103 and 4104 are 89 db efficient.
not bad for efficiency
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The 4103 and 4104 are 89 db efficient.
not bad for efficiency

I saw that after I went back and did a bit more research. I'm still sort of stumped as to how much wattage per channel I should be buying. I know that "there is wattage and then there is wattage" but I want to have enough headroom power-wise to drive three sets. Suggestions anyone?
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Almost everyone who has these says they sound much better in the wall or with a box around them - that's what they were designed for. If you relaly want to compare, take your bookshelves out of their cabinet.


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Packages arrived on Friday and spent most of today setting things up. They passed the eyeball test - sturdy, fairly heavy, felt solid. Packaging was great, and the install was very easy (once I figured out which template to use - its not perfectly clear and the labeling makes you pause for a second or two).

I connected one of the 6816's and placed it next to bookshelf PS-10 I have now. I knew that the speaker lost something when held in open air as it needs the wall enclosure to help things out (as has been documented here many times previously). So, knowing that, I wasnt expecting a reveleation.....but my existing bookshelf was noticeably better. Now, I may not have had the best environment - sitting in the ground, with my face and head right in front of each speaker, but the 6816 didnt nearly produce as full of a sound at all.

SO here's the dilemma. Maybe my existing speaker is better than I was giving it credit for. I know the 6816 will sound better in the wall, but the difference between the two was significant enough ( in my mind) that I dont want to cut the hole in the wall, get it set up, and still not like the sound as much as what I have. To cut or not to cut.

Now, the 6816's and the 4103's I used for my LS, RS, and LC/RC backs are just fine...as surrounds they are great and are definitely better than what I had.

I should probably just do it and cut the hole....the wuss factor is setting in over the possibility of patching and mudding the drywall hole if I dont like the end result.

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I have a large room 22 x 15 with high ceilings. I'm using a Denon 2112CI and want to add in wall front L&R and surround L&R. Which monoprice model is best for this?

Also, any recommendations on a decent well priced bookshelf center and sub?
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Has anyone installed a complete in-ceiling setup using the monoprice speakers? I am looking real hard into a 5.1 setup using the MP inceiling/inwall speakers after reading all of the reviews, but am not sure how an in-wall setup would sound with the way my living room is layed out. Does anyone have any opinions on what setup they think would be best as well as speaker location with these MP brand speakers in a room layout as seen below?

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Ideally you want the speakers basically aimed at your head in your seating position. If the setup is specific to home theatre, then think of it as drawing a circle around your best seat in the house. You would then have all your speakers on that circle. Of course this never happens in real life, so we have things like millisecond delays and sound field processing. I mounted my front three in the best possible height location. My rear surrounds are mounted on a vaulted ceiling aiming at the center seating position. I couldn't go on the back wall for various reasons. If I did, they would have been mounted head high in a seating position, on my circle. Another thing that helps with imaging is keeping the speakers at roughly the same distance from your center seating position. In other words, don't have your surround speakers on your end table next to your drink.

Getting these mounted soon, so many other house projects have taken over. I plan to mount the center of the speakers right around head height in the seated position. This sound about right?
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We recently moved into a newer house. The family room has the side-by-side fireplace/entertainment nook that I find pretty difficult to put a decent A/V system in place. I've framed the nook so that I can mount my TV and give it a more finished look (pictures attached), but my speakers do not fit anywhere in the room.

So i'm interested in the monoprice in wall/ceiling speakers. They seem to get great reviews on here for the price. There are currently 4 in ceiling RS speakers in the 4 corners of the room. My question is, has anyone used the 7604s in-ceiling? My other option would be to put them in the "pillars" on either side of the tv. I don't know what's behind those pillars, but I'll assume it's just unfinished back there (maybe insulation since the left side is an outside wall and the right side is the fireplace?). They are roughly 9 inches wide, so I think the 7604s would just fit, although it would be tight. Can anyone here give some input on which placement would be better with these speakers? would it be better just to replace the ceiling speakers and not worry as much about sound quality since the room isn't ideal to begin with?

Any thoughts would be appreciated. I should note that since this is our main gathering area the WAF needs to be high. It's also our only TV at the moment, so it will server as the main tv/movie hub until we do something with the unfinished basement.

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I have considered in wall speakers for my living room. How do these compare to having floor speakers?

I have Energy cf-50 fronts (no surround speakers) and don't listen to much music just alot of action movies and tv. I just thought it would be nice to have a nice clean look instead of big box floor speakers as well as in wall surround speakers.

I have a BIC F12 I would still use as the sub.
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I am trying to do my first home theater set up in my living room and have read through this entire thread. Today I pulled the trigger on the Pioneer 1021-K 7.1 and, after all your great insight, am fully committed to the monoprice 7604s for my 5.1 setup in the family room and running the second zone to my patio using the 6971s. I assume I need a sub for this set up as it relates to the family room (4927?). Also, and this is admittedly an incredibly easy question for those on this forum but challenging to a noob such as myself, is this receiver powerful enough to run all seven speakers? Is there a simple link on the forums I am missing?

Thanks!

PS -- if anyone near DC has an extra 7604 they want to offload, please reach out.
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I have them hooked up to my old Sony (85W) and it's plenty powerful enough... The new AVR's will push more power to all of the channels than the older models did.

I would buy a powered sub (Bic) and hide it in the corner... that way you won't rob any power from the receiver. 10" or 12" would be awesome...

I'm getting ready to buy that same pioneer.
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My boyfriend is using four Monoprice 4104 in-ceiling speakers for his left/right front/rear speakers. He also has an A5s - 300 Elemental Designs subwoofer and Yamaha RX-V867 receiver.

Can someone please recommend a good center speaker for this set-up?
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