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There are, but what that programmer is doing by repeating the codes each time the button is pressed doesn't make sense.

what I use in the RTI software is the command:

'repeat command as long as button is pressed'
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Does anyone know what the firmware upgrade does for the AVP? Any benefits?

Franin,

I haven't seen any list of things it was supposed to update. I noticed it did wipe out my Audyssey setup, and I had to re-enter my disance, and speaker size settings. Oddly enough, every other setting seems to be intact.

The Network signal seems to be a little more stable, but the key word there is SEEMS. I don't know if anything was actaully done there.

It would nice to know what was in the update. I have no idea why Denon wouldn't post a Release.txt file that list the changes.

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what I use in the RTI software is the command:

'repeat command as long as button is pressed'

Below is an email response from the installer....Give opinions please on anyone using remote controllers with rs232 and volume up/down is fast. Did you have to do anything special like he says below? "Had to use their own workarounds?" Thanks guys.


From installer email:

"We programmed the system originally without doubling the codes which was not fast enough for you. That is why he tried the double codes. People can sit on the forum all day and say this is the way it is on paper or works in my system and it is not the same of being on site. The avs forum is helpful sometimes but they are not sitting in your house with your equipment. None of the things you sent me are things that we have not tried. If we put you on ir you will not lose anything right now and it will speed up like you want. The only thing you will not have which is not available anyways right now is discrete radio stations in hd.If we put the system on ir for now you will not lose anything and when we find a solution to the rs232 we can fix it. As you can see people with crestron and rti have had to use their own workarounds of repeat commands for volume to get things workings which means it is not just a problem with your particular system."
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a lot of folks have RS232 volume ramp issues depending on the control system and the component: I had to try several different methods until I got the AVP volume ramp to work properly

in the meantime, I used IR commands for the volume ramps: nothing wrong with that

[and yes: workarounds are done all the time]

more: you can use IR for volume, and still use RS232 for other commands
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I thought expensive remotes where supposed to make things easier.

You guys are having to go to a lot of work on this one.

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There is one feature I would like to verify from an owner:

The Denon DVD-3800BDCI can apply the Reon picture adjustments to 1080p signals. Apparently, the Reon in the AVP cannot do this, because on page 54 of the manual, it states: "When input signal is 1080p the "Picture Adjust" setting will be ineffective".

Would someone please confirm if this is indeed the case?

I am trying to decide whether or not to return my 3800, and this piece of information would be helpful in making the decision.

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I figured I needed to get this question on this page, in case nobody sees it. Can someone test this for me...PLEASE?

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I figured I needed to get this question on this page, in case nobody sees it. Can someone test this for me...PLEASE?

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I tried applying the NR and Detail enhancement to max but see no effect so I guess it bypass the 1080p input signal . Oh , btw, both 3800 and AVR using Realta and not Reon
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I figured I needed to get this question on this page, in case nobody sees it. Can someone test this for me...PLEASE?

Thanks.

Mark

While I don't own the 3800 player I do have the 2500BTCI. I know that adjustments I made in the Denon AVP using a 1080p input from Blu-ray made no discernable difference in PQ (which is to say that the native 1080p signal went through untouched). With other resolutions however, there is clearly a difference, and any adjustment is visually apparent. So I would have to say that what is stated in the Denon manual is accurate.

If you do want Realta processing done on 1080p signals I would say that getting the 3800 that has it built into the player is the way to go. It's similar to the Reon in the Toshiba XA2, I can do processing in the player. So if you want full flexibility with 1080p get the 3800.


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I tried applying the NR and Detail enhancement to max but see no effect so I guess it bypass the 1080p input signal . Oh , btw, both 3800 and AVR using Realta and not Reon

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While I don't own the 3800 player I do have the 2500BTCI. I know that adjustments I made in the Denon AVP using a 1080p input from Blu-ray made no discernable difference in PQ (which is to say that the native 1080p signal went through untouched). With other resolutions however, there is clearly a difference, and any adjustment is visually apparent. So I would have to say that what is stated in the Denon manual is accurate.

If you do want Realta processing done on 1080p signals I would say that getting the 3800 that has it built into the player is the way to go. It's similar to the Reon in the Toshiba XA2, I can do processing in the player. So if you want full flexibility with 1080p get the 3800.


Seth

Thanks Guys. I know it is the Realta in both, but I guess my brain is not cooperating today.

It is interesting that the picture adjustment settings are selectable and adjustable versus "grayed out".

I guess I will keep the 3800 then.

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Franin,

I haven't seen any list of things it was supposed to update. I noticed it did wipe out my Audyssey setup, and I had to re-enter my disance, and speaker size settings. Oddly enough, every other setting seems to be intact.

The Network signal seems to be a little more stable, but the key word there is SEEMS. I don't know if anything was actaully done there.

It would nice to know what was in the update. I have no idea why Denon wouldn't post a Release.txt file that list the changes.

Darrell

Thanks, for me it's really not worth doing.

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There is one feature I would like to verify from an owner: The Denon DVD-3800BDCI can apply the Reon picture adjustments to 1080p signals. Apparently, the Reon in the AVP cannot do this, because on page 54 of the manual, it states: "When input signal is 1080p the "Picture Adjust" setting will be ineffective".

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Thanks Guys. I know it is the Realta in both, but I guess my brain is not cooperating today. It is interesting that the picture adjustment settings are selectable and adjustable versus "grayed out". I guess I will keep the 3800 then.

Mark

Didn't we already go through this a few days ago?
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Guys now im not getting any dts hd master all

This is no good at all!

What BD player? Any chance it needs an update for some new feature the Golden Compass is using?
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now Dolby true HD don't go either.I've tried in 3 different players and now they don't work.I did nothing different.

Did you set anything other than Standard in the AVP audio options?
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it's like the amp now cant decode any of the new audio formats, can someone help me.I can't understand this.

I don't know how it's done off the top of my head, but there's a way to reset the AVP. Maybe try saving your settings (or not if they're messed up) and doing a system reset?

PAGE 72 in the manual.
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Is that in the menu settings?

Page 72 in the manual
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the new audio chips aren't fried are they?

Now, now. This is no time for panic Try the reset.
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Didn't we already go through this a few days ago?

Despite the fact that I keep typing Reon instead of Realta, nobody verified the manual was correct...until today.

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Now, now. This is no time for panic Try the reset.

I agree maybe the AVP needs a "reset" mainboard in it or something along those lines... If it doesn't make sense "reboot" time.
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Despite the fact that I keep typing Reon instead of Realta, nobody verified the manual was correct...until today.

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Fair enough. I'm just curious, what display are you using, and what video adjustments do you make (want to make) to the 1080p signal? Even though it kind of annoys me that we often have to buy so many redundant capabilities in our players, processors, and displays, most good displays now offer a lot of picture adjustments that might accomplish the same thing. Since you're not scaling the picture, I'm assuming it's more the color, tone, NR-type adjustments?
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I did nothing and now it seems to work! Bloody hell!

What does that mean? Does it turn on? Will it play any sources?


OOPS, SORRY. I misread and thought you said NOTHING worked. Glad everything's okay now.
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Fair enough. I'm just curious, what display are you using, and what video adjustments do you make (want to make) to the 1080p signal? Even though it kind of annoys me that we often have to buy so many redundant capabilities in our players, processors, and displays, most good displays now offer a lot of picture adjustments that might accomplish the same thing. Since you're not scaling the picture, I'm assuming it's more the color, tone, NR-type adjustments?

I want the capability to use (with a 1080p signal) what the Realta does best...the noise reduction algorithms. Well, at least I want the capability. I know there should be no noise with 1080p, but there you have it.

I have a Vidikron Vision 80, which requires a video processor to operate. I use the VP to make all my black level, contrast, and color adjustment.

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I am not sure this has been covered before... My apology for that...
I am thinking to get a subwoofer to help to very bottom end of my full range speakers that go down to 22hz. Now, I want to be able to crossover the sub(s) at about 25hz. Would that be possible with the AVP? My understanding is that the lowest setting is 40hz, maybe I did not understand it I hope... The sub's crossover, to make it more challenging, goes as low as 30hz. Any toughts?
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I am not sure this has been covered before... My apology for that...
I am thinking to get a subwoofer to help to very bottom end of my full range speakers that go down to 22hz. Now, I want to be able to crossover the sub(s) at about 25hz. Would that be possible with the AVP? My understanding is that the lowest setting is 40hz, maybe I did not understand it I hope... The sub's crossover, to make it more challenging, goes as low as 30hz. Any toughts?

I wanted to do a similar thing as my Speakers are good down to 27hz. On a couple of previous Prepro, I had crossed at 25hz or 30hz and got great results. This is the only feature I miss from other prepros I have found with the Denon AVP.

If you are purely a two channel guy, you could just setup your sub to accept signals from 25hz and down, and run your speakers as Large. But, as you have the AVP, I am guessing you do milti channel too.

For muliti chanell, the options seem to be:

1) Run the speakers as small and cross at 40hz instead of 25hz.
2) Run spekaers as Large, Sub as LFE+Main, crossover at 40hz. The may produce a peak from 22hz - 40hz for you though. Depending on your room, it may sound ok.
3) I don't know if you can buy 2 subs and set one up to do the LFE duties, and to set the other to just deal with the 25hz and lower frequencies. This would be an expensive solution.

Personally, I have an SMS-1, so I use option 1 for multi-channel, and the 2CH option I listed for 2CH listening. It is a 1-button press on the SMS remote to switch back and forth.

Sorry, I don't know of any easy answers. I wish Denon would offer a 30hz crossover point. It sure would make things easier for us.

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I am not sure this has been covered before... My apology for that...
I am thinking to get a subwoofer to help to very bottom end of my full range speakers that go down to 22hz. Now, I want to be able to crossover the sub(s) at about 25hz. Would that be possible with the AVP? My understanding is that the lowest setting is 40hz, maybe I did not understand it I hope... The sub's crossover, to make it more challenging, goes as low as 30hz. Any toughts?

I would just set the AVP at 40 Hz, and the sub xover at some higher level so it does not get involved. Chances are that the sub will do better than your mains at 40Hz anyway, plus you will have more power for the mains over 40 Hz.

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I wanted to do a similar thing as my Speakers are good down to 27hz. On a couple of previous Prepro, I had crossed at 25hz or 30hz and got great results. This is the only feature I miss from other prepros I have found with the Denon AVP.

If you are purely a two channel guy, you could just setup your sub to accept signals from 25hz and down, and run your speakers as Large. But, as you have the AVP, I am guessing you do milti channel too.

For muliti chanell, the options seem to be:

1) Run the speakers as small and cross at 40hz instead of 25hz.
2) Run spekaers as Large, Sub as LFE+Main, crossover at 40hz. The may produce a peak from 22hz - 40hz for you though. Depending on your room, it may sound ok.
3) I don't know if you can buy 2 subs and set one up to do the LFE duties, and to set the other to just deal with the 25hz and lower frequencies. This would be an expensive solution.

Personally, I have an SMS-1, so I use option 1 for multi-channel, and the 2CH option I listed for 2CH listening. It is a 1-button press on the SMS remote to switch back and forth.

Sorry, I don't know of any easy answers. I wish Denon would offer a 30hz crossover point. It sure would make things easier for us.

Darrell

I am still considering the A1HD and noticed that you use an SMS-1. Do you use the A1HD's Audyssey functions in addition to the SMS-1? (I was thinking that I could discontinue use of my SMS-1 since the A1HD can run 3 subs).

Thoughts/opinions?

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I am thinking to get a subwoofer to help to very bottom end of my full range speakers that go down to 22hz. Now, I want to be able to crossover the sub(s) at about 25hz. Would that be possible with the AVP? My understanding is that the lowest setting is 40hz, maybe I did not understand it I hope... The sub's crossover, to make it more challenging, goes as low as 30hz. Any toughts?

Velodyne 1812 is your sub it will go into the single digit hz :-)
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Velodyne 1812 is your sub it will go into the single digit hz :-)

I think I read that walruses might be able to detect those frequencies, so if you're having any over for dinner and a flick, man will they be impressed!
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I think I read that walruses might be able to detect those frequencies, so if you're having any over for dinner and a flick, man will they be impressed!

It is not about hearing the sub at those frequencies, it is all about feeling it

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I am thinking to get a subwoofer to help to very bottom end of my full range speakers that go down to 22hz. Now, I want to be able to crossover the sub(s) at about 25hz. Would that be possible with the AVP? My understanding is that the lowest setting is 40hz, maybe I did not understand it I hope... The sub's crossover, to make it more challenging, goes as low as 30hz. Any toughts?

For music a lower crossover point makes sense but for movies 60 hz should probably be about the lowest if you have quality subwoofers. The JL Audio Fathom F113 is about the best sub I have ever heard but is best used in multiples of at least 2 or more. You would be surprised how musical the Fathom sounds as well and may find a 60 hz crossover point for music to your liking.

With a proper EQ like the Velodyne SMS-1 it is much easier to integrate a subwoofer into a system and free your mains to better reproduce mid-bass and above.

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I am still considering the A1HD and noticed that you use an SMS-1. Do you use the A1HD's Audyssey functions in addition to the SMS-1? (I was thinking that I could discontinue use of my SMS-1 since the A1HD can run 3 subs).

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For music a lower crossover point makes sense but for movies 60 hz should probably be about the lowest if you have quality subwoofers. The JL Audio Fathom F113 is about the best sub I have ever heard but is best used in multiples of at least 2 or more. You would be surprised how musical the Fathom sounds as well and may find a 60 hz crossover point for music to your liking.

With a proper EQ like the Velodyne SMS-1 it is much easier to integrate a subwoofer into a system and free your mains to better reproduce mid-bass and above.

I have an AVP on order. I currently have an MC-12b EQ and last year bought two Velodyne DD-15 subs. I asked this question of other Lexicon owner's last year.

The conclusion for me and one other Lex/Velo owner was to use the Velo EQ system to EQ the subs, and then run the Lex Auto EQ process.

I also discussed it with Curt from Velodyne, and he agreed that was probably the best way to do it. I plan to do the same with the AVP...when I get it.

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