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I'm in the process of searching for my next AVR and I just realized there's no AVR scaler chip master list on AVS.
The easiest we could find info about are the HQV- or ABT-based AVRs but the gazillion iteration of Faroudjas are pretty tough when "Cinema" itself has 4-5 chips under the same technology name... anyway, it's obviously not an overnight project but over time I'm sure one-by-one we will find out about all of them.

Here they come (I will keep this first post updated):

B&K AVR705: Silicon Optix HQV Reon VX
B&K AVR707: Silicon Optix HQV Reon VX

Denon AVP-A1HDCI: Silicon Optix Realta HQV
Denon AVR-5308CI: Silicon Optix Realta HQV
Denon AVR-4308CI: Faroudja DCDi FLI2310
Denon AVR-3808CI: Faroudja DCDi FLI2310
Denon AVR-2809CI/AVR-989: Faroudja DCDi FLI2310-FL
Denon AVR-2808CI/AVR-988: Faroudja DCDi FLI2310
Denon AVR-2309CI/AVR-889: Faroudja DCDi FLI2310-FL
Denon AVR-2308CI/AVR-888: Faroudja DCDi FLI2310
Denon AVR-1909CI/AVR-789: Faroudja DCDi FLI2310-FL

Emotiva LMC-2: Faroudja DCDi Cinema™ Torino FLI30436

Harman-Kardon AVR-754: Faroudja DCDi Cinema™ 10-bit Torino FLI30336
Harman-Kardon AVR-654: Faroudja DCDi Cinema™ 10-bit Torino FLI30336
Harman-Kardon AVR-354: Faroudja DCDi Cinema™ 10-bit Torino FLI30336
Harman-Kardon AVR-254: Faroudja DCDi Cinema™ 10-bit Torino FLI30336

Integra DTC-9.9: Silicon Optix HQV Reon VX-50
Integra DTC-9.8: Silicon Optix HQV Reon VX-50
Integra DTC-8.9: Silicon Optix HQV Reon VX-50
Integra DTC-8.8: Silicon Optix HQV Reon VX-50
Integra DTC-7.9: Faroudja DCDi Edge™ Hudson 2 FLi30502 (?)
Integra DTC-7.8: Faroudja DCDi Edge™ Hudson FLi8125
Integra DTC-6.9: Faroudja DCDi Edge™ Hudson 2 FLi30502 (?)
Integra DTC-6.8: Faroudja DCDi Edge™ Hudson FLi8125
Integra DTC-5.9: Faroudja DCDi Edge™ Hudson 2 FLi30502
Integra DTC-5.8: Faroudja DCDi Edge™ Hudson FLi8125

Marantz AV8003: Anchor Bay Technologies ABT?
Marantz SR5003: i-Chips IP00C7??
Marantz SR6003: i-Chips IP00C7??

Onkyo TX-NR906: Silicon Optix HQV Reon VX-50
Onkyo TX-NR905: Silicon Optix HQV Reon VX-50
Onkyo TX-SR876: Silicon Optix HQV Reon VX-50
Onkyo TX-SR875: Silicon Optix HQV Reon VX-50
Onkyo TX-SR806: Faroudja DCDi Edge™ Hudson 2 FLi30502
Onkyo TX-SR805: Faroudja DCDi Edge™ Hudson FLi8125
Onkyo TX-SR705: Faroudja DCDi Edge™ Hudson FLi8125
Onkyo TX-SR606: Faroudja DCDi Edge™ Hudson 2 FLi30502
Onkyo TX-SR605: Faroudja DCDi Edge™ Hudson FLi8125

Pioneer SC-09TX: Marvell Qdeo
Pioneer SC-07: Faroudja DCDi FLi?
Pioneer SC-05: Faroudja DCDi FLi?
Pioneer VSX-03TXH: Faroudja DCDi FLi?
Pioneer VSX-01TXH: Faroudja DCDi FLi?
Pioneer VSX-1018AH-K: Faroudja DCDi FLi?
Pioneer VSX-94TXH: Faroudja DCDi FLi?
Pioneer VSX-92TXH: Faroudja DCDi FLi?

Sherwood Newcastle R-972: Silicon Optix HQV Reon VX

Sony STR-DA5300ES: Faroudja DCDi Cinema™ 10-bit Cortez-Advanced FLi8638
Sony STR-DA4400ES: Faroudja DCDi Cinema™ 10-bit Cortez-Advanced FLi8638 (<- needs confirmation)
Sony STR-DA4300ES: Faroudja DCDi Cinema™ 10-bit Cortez-Advanced FLi8638
Sony STR-DA3400ES: Faroudja DCDi Cinema™ 10-bit Cortez-Advanced FLi8638 (<- needs confirmation)
Sony STR-DA3300ES: Faroudja DCDi Cinema™ 10-bit Cortez-Advanced FLi8638
Sony STR-DA2400ES: Faroudja DCDi Cinema™ 10-bit Cortez-Advanced FLi8638 (<- needs confirmation)
Sony STR-DG2100: Faroudja DCDi Cinema™ FLi?
Sony STR-DG1100: Faroudja DCDi Cinema™ FLi?
Sony STR-DG920: Faroudja DCDi Cinema™ FLi?

Yamaha RX-Z11: Anchor Bay Technologies ABT1018 + i-chips IP00C772 (deinterlacer)
Yamaha RX-V3800: Anchor Bay Technologies ABT1010 + i-chips IP00C772 (deinterlacer)
Yamaha RX-V1800: Anchor Bay Technologies ABT1010 + i-chips IP00C772 (deinterlacer)
Yamaha RX-V863: Anchor Bay Technologies ABT1010

Based on features and specs Faroudja measure up something like this:
Torino (DCDi Cinema™ 10-bit) >= Cortez-Advanced (DCDi Cinema™ 10-bit) > Cortez-Plus (DCDi Cinema™) > Cortez-Lite (DCDi Cinema™) > Hudson 2 (DCDi Edge™) > there's the FLi2310, a blast from the past...
Anchor Bay chips: ABT2010 > ABT1018 >ABT1010
Silicon Optix' top model is the HQV Realta (FPGA), next is Reon.

Thanks for any additional info or correction.

 

FLI8125 Product Brief (MFM).pdf 99.794921875k . file

 

FLI2310 Product Brief.pdf 61.6005859375k . file

 

FLI30336.pdf 106.7548828125k . file

 

FLI30XX2.pdf 156.9580078125k . file

 

FLI8638.pdf 103.623046875k . file
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I'm going through a similar search, and you may have it fairly well covered. On the HQV website they only list the Onkyo models as receivers having their processor.
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I'm going through a similar search, and you may have it fairly well covered. On the HQV website they only list the Onkyo models as receivers having their processor.

I believe the 605/705/805 use a 2D comb filter faroudja chip in the form of the faroudja hudson. It max's out at 720p hence so many people have complained about its output from component sources.

Faroudja released the 'cortez II' a.k.a Torino (3D comb filter with motion adaptive filters) which may be used in the Sony 5300ES and a number of flat screen TV panels. This seems to have gotten good reviews in the Sony. Hopefully it will find its way into AVR's in 2008/2009.
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I'm in the process of searching for my next AVR and I just realized there's no AVR scaler chip master list on AVS.
The easiest we could find info about are the HQV- or ABT-based AVRs but the gazillion iteration of Faroudjas are pretty tough when "Cinema" itself has 4-5 chips under the same technology name... anyway, it's obviously not an overnight project but over time I'm sure one-by-one we will find out about all of them.

Here they come (I will keep this first post updated):

Denon AVP-A1HDCI: Silicon Optix Realta HQV
Denon AVR-5308CI: Silicon Optix Realta HQV
Denon AVR-4308CI: Faroudja DCDi FLI2310
Denon AVR-3808CI: Faroudja DCDi FLI2310
Denon AVR-2808CI: Faroudja DCDi FLI2310
Denon AVR-2308CI: Faroudja DCDi FLI2310
Denon AVR-988CI: Faroudja DCDi FLI2310
Denon AVR-888CI: Faroudja DCDi FLI2310

Emotiva LMC-2: Faroudja DCDi Cinema Torino FLI30436

Harman-Kardon AVR-754: Faroudja DCDi Cinema FLi?
Harman-Kardon AVR-654: Faroudja DCDi Cinema FLi?
Harman-Kardon AVR-354: Faroudja DCDi Cinema Torino FLI30436
Harman-Kardon AVR-254: Faroudja DCDi Cinema Torino FLI30436

Onkyo TX-NR905: Silicon Optix HQV Reon-VX
Onkyo TX-SR875: Silicon Optix HQV Reon-VX
Onkyo TX-SR805: Faroudja DCDi FLi?
Onkyo TX-SR705: Faroudja DCDi FLi?
Onkyo TX-SR606: Faroudja DCDi Edge FLi?
Onkyo TX-SR605: Faroudja DCDi FLi?

Sony STR-DA5300ES: Faroudja DCDi Cinema FLi?
Sony STR-DA4300ES: Faroudja DCDi Cinema FLi?
Sony STR-DA3300ES: Faroudja DCDi Cinema FLi?
Sony STR-DG2100: Faroudja DCDi Cinema FLi?
Sony STR-DG1100: Faroudja DCDi Cinema FLi?

Yamaha RX-Z11: Anchor Bay Technologies ABT1010
Yamaha RX-V3800: Anchor Bay Technologies ABT1010
Yamaha RX-V1800: Anchor Bay Technologies ABT1010
Yamaha RX-V863: Anchor Bay Technologies ABT1010

Thanks for any additional info or correction.

Just thought i'd ask T2k,how sure you are about the Yamaha RX-V863 being ABT1010?I went to the Yamaha US site and did comparison chart between RX-V1800 and RX-V863and lists the 1800 as having and the 863 as not having ABT in its column.The Australian site also says the same(where I'm from).i have been searching the web for info' on the 863 and I accept the website may be wrong.We all appreciate the list you have compiled.Keep it up!
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Hi, T2k,

In your list I cannot see many AV Pre-Pros. Most of then are AV receivers or AV integrated amps.

I wonder what has happened to the various manufacturers. Is the market calling only for AV receivers (or AV amps)?

I have a Denon AVC-A1SE upgraded to KAVCA1SE card and to 2nd Edition Denon Link (it is the equivalent to the American edition of the AVR-5800 upgraded version, only it's only an integrated AV amp, not an AV receiver).

I certainly don't like and don't want to give it away, provided that I can get an HD player that may give me a multi-channel analog out, which is going to support all new sound formats.

Otherwise, I may have to look for a modern AV Pre-Pro.

This is why your list draw my attention

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There are a few units in this (getting dated list) you can add, (e.g., Sherwood), chips (e.g., Marvell Qdeo), and on the ABT, e.g., Z-11, changes and need for separately listed scalers.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=943558

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Thanks for the corrections, I'm working on it.
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Yamaha RX-Z11: Anchor Bay Technologies ABT1010
Yamaha RX-V3800: Anchor Bay Technologies ABT1010
Yamaha RX-V1800: Anchor Bay Technologies ABT1010

Thanks for any additional info or correction.
You are wrong with Z11
It has ABT1018
See detail comparison Z11/3800/1800 in attach
Previous generation V1700/2700 has ABT1010

 

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Quick update done, I'll add more tomorrow.
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Keep up the good work. Thanks for your efforts.

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Sony 920 has some form of the Faroudja?

Outstanding work here T2K, I see you in a number of threads that I follow.

Not to rattle your cage, but maybe you could make a thread on BTB/WTW AVRs also . . .
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Thanks, I'm trying my best...

BTB/WTW: good idea but I have to find some free time first...

Quick update done, started adding Pioneers.
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Not released yet:
B&K AVR507 and Sherwood Newcastle R-972
Both have HQV Reon
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Onkyo TX-NR905: Silicon Optix HQV Reon-VX
Onkyo TX-SR875: Silicon Optix HQV Reon-VX
Yamaha RX-V863: ?

Onkyo TX-NR905: More precise Silicon Optix HQV Reon VX-50 (IP conversion, Scaler and OSD)
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Yamaha RX-V863: ABT1010
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Added Marantz AV8003 - thanks for all the help.
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Good timing by Home Theater magazine - it has a comparison of video procesor performance of several receivers on your list.

http://hometheatermag.com/receivers/608recfeat/
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Great link, thanks. Very good advice at the end:

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Don’t make the mistake of thinking that just because you are paying top dollar for your new AVR, you’re always going to get top-of-the-line video processing from it. It is important to research what each company is using and how it will affect the overall quality of your video presentation. We hope we’ve given you a big head start.

Aside of the well-known problems of the old FLi2310 (e.g. Denons) it seems the iChip deinterlacer in Yamahas (standard with ABT scalers) doesn't like video-based sources but apparently the newer Faroudja Cortez Advanced is a decent overall solution - now I'm really curious about its bigger bro, the Torino...
Of course, HQV-based units came out on top but it starts above $1k so neither will be a mass hit anytime soon...
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Perhaps with the Sony 920s being available from BB today, someone could post the VP . . .
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Added Onkyo 806, solely based on M Code's info - he has excellent track record.
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Keeps getting better T2k. Keep up the good work.

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Added Onkyo 806, solely based on M Code's info - he has excellent track record.


HK 754/654 use the Torino
Onkyo 805/705/605 use the Hudson 1 (8125)
Sony 5300 uses the Cortez Advance


Just my $0.02..
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Mmmm, Sony is there already but I screwed up the numbering of Onkyos - I was thinking about the x06 Onkyo line... anyway, thanks M Code.
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To help sort them out I've just uploaded the product briefs of most common Faroudjas.
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Just FYI, the Integra line of receivers matches up with the base Onkyos, so:
8.8 and 9.8 = Onkyo 905 video processing
7.8 = 805
6.8 = 705
5.8 = 605
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I'm surprised that Denon is using such out of date/inferior technology for it's AVR's (At least those under 5 grand ) A lot of factors come into play when looking at an AVR of course, but this list would seem to suggest that you would get better video processing from the $499 Onkyo TX-SR606 than the $1599 Denon AVR-3808CI. How sad is that???
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Just FYI, the Integra line of receivers matches up with the base Onkyos, so:
8.8 and 9.8 = Onkyo 905 video processing
7.8 = 805
6.8 = 705
5.8 = 605

Thanks, this was planned as my next update, you just saved me some time.
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My apologies. It should be:
B&K AVR705/AVR707 wth the Reon chip. Release about 3 mos. away.
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First off, thanks for taking the time to put this together T2k, I noticed you were catching quite a bit of flack from a few people in some other threads who didn't like what they were hearing! But anyways, I've got an almost 10 year old receiver that is getting closer to the top of the upgrade list, so I've been reading this sub-forum a bit lately. My question is, can anyone comment on how the chips in the mid-level avr's (onkyo 606, pio 1018, denon 2809, etc.) would compare to the one in my 2006 Sammy DLP? I believe it's a Texas Instruments chip and my tv model is HL-S5087w; I'm just wondering if the quality of the scaler in the avr should be a factor for my decision as my tv does 1080p now.

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Does anybody knows what kind of video prozessor the Onkyo TX-SR876 will have?

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does this mean the Harman Kardons 'Torino (DCDi Cinema™ 10-bit)' will provide the best upscaling ?

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