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Nice review Dave!

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Yes, thanks David. I saw iut on my RSS feed on a business trip. (Some technology works )

Thanks Tim...glad you got something to read on the road!

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HI alicat,

Go to Stassen in Venlo/Tegelen NL. They have everything you possibly need to build a fantastic audition system based on the SC. Happy Hunting!

Thanks, had a look at their web site, looks good, I'm up in Amsterdam next weekend, I think I'll take the long way there via Venlo I live about 20 minutes south of Eindhoven just over the Belgian border.
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I am put on a word count at UAV, so sometimes I can't elaborate as much as I would like to. If money were no object, I would definitely consider the SC09.

Dave - Any comments on the GUI and on-screen overlay? I hear it does not work for any display other than an 8th gen pioneer display.
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Unless it was edited out, I mentioned that lack of overlay in the review as being a problem. The only other downside to the LCD screen was that it had to be viewed directly and from the side was pretty much useless.

Although, the "setup" OSD does work over HDMI.

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Good article Dave, thanks.
A question, can you output what is on the LCD to another monitor? I'm thinking of having the SC-09 in a cabinet at the back of the room and won't be able to view it directly.

I have a built in garage at my house which was converted into an office before I bought the house, I'm retired so don't need an office now and SWMBO has agreed to let me re-model it into a dedicated home cinema. Basicly it is a 20ft x 13ft concrete box 8.5ft high with the main electrical distribution in one corner ( has 3 phase outlets (415V) in the room too...).
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Alicatt,

You can't over HDMI unless it is a Pioneer Kuro display. It "may" be able to be output over composite or component, but I didn't test that functionality. I bet an owner of the SC09 can chime in. (If I still had it at my home, I would test it for you, but it was sent back to Pioneer last week)

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Good article Dave, thanks.
A question, can you output what is on the LCD to another monitor? I'm thinking of having the SC-09 in a cabinet at the back of the room and won't be able to view it directly.

I use a component out monitor for those functions (and for watching non-protected video) in my desk area of my theater, when I don't spin up the projector and shut down the lights.

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Dave - Any comments on the GUI and on-screen overlay? I hear it does not work for any display other than an 8th gen pioneer display.

Does anyone know for sure about whether the 9th gen KUROs are also OK with the on-screen display? I presently have a PDP-1150 (8th gen Elite 768p 50" KURO) that I plan to replace with a -141 within the next six months. I do have the ability to run a SR cable, but I hear that the 9th gen KUROs have more limited SR (not SR+) capability.

My SC-09 arrives tomorrow, so I'm eagerly awaiting delivery...

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Hey everyone,

While I'm impatiently waiting, does anyone know what the rationale behind the letters used in Pioneer's model designation corresponds to?

I thought that the "TX" in the SC-09TX meant "THX certified", but the SC-07 and SC-05 don't have a "TX" after them...

The rest of the series makes little sense to me as well.

Is there a method to the madness? or is it as random as it seems?

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TX= Too eXpensive

I still had to get one though !!
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A very good test Dave....


But I'm still missing an opinion about 2 channel music....
I think that David setup was too much in the multichannel direction (MK speakers) and the Oppo player must not be exactly high end...

I think of myshelf a serious listener but I have to admit that in a multichannel set up I CANNOT tell the difference between multichannel amps playing movies....
My brain maybe gets confused with the surround sounds and i cannot tell the difference between machines over 1500$!!!
So I am sure that 09 will not dissapoint me in that field...

But 2 channel reproduction is another story... there i can hear the differences (or i think that I can) between cables, speakers position etc...
Since today i haven't read how Susano is doing in stereo with high end speakers like Revel, Martin logan,etc , even with Pioneer 's EX speaker line..... and with a good source....

If it is really good in that area then Susano will be in my rack.. and even in 7000 class will be a bargain..

Pity for me that a pro reviewer's review system was too AV for me.. but then again the review was written for UltimateAVmag!!!
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I will readily admit I'm more of a movie fan than a music fan (although I enjoy good music in movies ), but I did do some two-channel listening and found it very pleasing. I don't profess to have golden ears at all, but I have a good friend who is an audiophile with Revel speakers who says my M&K's sound pretty damn good.

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What music file formats are you using for the Gallery? I'm planning on re-ripping my CD:s in higher resolution but FLAC is not supported and WAV doesn't support tagging.

Tried lossless WMA but that didn't work either. Has anyone tried an AAC format yet?
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WMA lossless works with the Media Gallery. That is how all of my music is stored and I didn't have any issues.

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WMA lossless works with the Media Gallery. That is how all of my music is stored and I didn't have any issues.

Interesting, what encoder did you use? I used Winamp with Windows Media 9.2 lossless and 100%. That was the only lossless option available in Winamp for WMA.
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I use Zune and before that Windows Media Player.

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I officially join the owner group today! (Yesterday, I was occupied both by my daughter's birthday and by the physical installation of the receiver).

First, very brief, impressions:

Lower distortion than my prior Denon 3805 and (by far) Onkyo 605 units.

I heard many fine details in The Rock that I've never heard before, and I know that movie quite well.

I'll post a general update this weekend. This thing is fabulous...

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I officially join the owner group today! (Yesterday, I was occupied both by my daughter's birthday and by the physical installation of the receiver).

First, very brief, impressions:

Lower distortion than my prior Denon 3805 and (by far) Onkyo 605 units.

I heard many fine details in The Rock that I've never heard before, and I know that movie quite well.

I'll post a general update this weekend. This thing is fabulous...

KDD

Excellent and concur with regard to The Rock.

Congrats x 2.

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And congratulations X 3

Also, please post your observations using it with your 8th gen Kuro. Supposedly, you will get limited OSD by turning HDMI Control to On. And more complete OSD using SR+.

Since, Pioneer dropped SR+ on 9th gen Kuros, I'm assuming you'll still get OSD using HDMI Control.

I may be getting a 151 Kuro myself in 2009, so am interested in how it works for you.

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And congratulations X 3

Also, please post your observations using it with your 8th gen Kuro. Supposedly, you will get limited OSD by turning HDMI Control to On. And more complete OSD using SR+.

I do get volume data and some other limited things with HDMI Control. I haven't run a SR+ cable yet, so haven't tried that. I also haven't run the IR sensor wire from the plasma to the receiver.

I'll report further soon, but I'm at work now.


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Now it's my turn to ask a question on the 09

I've watched 2 BD's that had DTS master audio, with the player set to bitstream & letting the receiver decode it. Everything worked just fine, but I noticed that on the disc with a 5.1 track, that I could not overlay any PLIIx or other processing on top of DTS-MA. The 2st disc had a 7.1 track so I didn't notice it then.

Are others seeing the same thing?
The manual could be clearer on this, but it lists "straight decoding" for DTS-MA.

If the player decodes it and sends as PCM, could PLIIx be added to it?

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Now it's my turn to ask a question on the 09

I've watched 2 BD's that had DTS master audio, with the player set to bitstream & letting the receiver decode it. Everything worked just fine, but I noticed that on the disc with a 5.1 track, that I could not overlay any PLIIx or other processing on top of DTS-MA. The 2st disc had a 7.1 track so I didn't notice it then.

Are others seeing the same thing?
The manual could be clearer on this, but it lists "straight decoding" for DTS-MA.

If the player decodes it and sends as PCM, could PLIIx be added to it?

ss9001

I'll bet it can...

I can test this by using the BDP-05 to bitstream and comparing it to the PS3 decoding and sending LPCM. I've got to check my Blu-Ray collection for discs that have 5.1 DTS HDMA

I'll get back to you...

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Hello !

I am the VERY happy owner of the new Susano. As I am now setting up my new 35m2 home theater room, I am about to buy the speakers to replace my "old" jbl Ti6Ks.

What do you think about the KEF reference 205/2 speakers . Would this be according to you the "perfect" match? If yes I will then match them with the 201/2 for surround and the 204/2c as a center.

An alternative would be the Pioneer series S-1EX for stereo, S-7EX center and S-2EX for surround.

For both choises, would i need a subwoofer? I don't think so, but please let me have your opinion.

Thank you in advance for your help !
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Hello !

I am the VERY happy owner of the new Susano. As I am now setting up my new 35m2 home theater room, I am about to buy the speakers to replace my "old" jbl Ti6Ks.....What do you think about the KEF reference 205/2 speakers....For both choises, would i need a subwoofer? I don't think so, but please let me have your opinion.

Thank you in advance for your help !

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Congratulations! Great receiver even if we are all "slightly" biased
What counts is how the speakers sound to *you* But here goes...

I have listened to KEF Reference's (now called the 207/2) in a dealer's own home theater. Next to a demo of Soundlab electrostats, his KEF's were one of the best speakers on imaging & soundstage that I've ever heard. Of course, room acoustics & treatments all play a huge part, so YMMV. I would have to say, based only on the 1 listening experience, that the KEF Reference bettered my Magnepan 3.6's on the illusion of "being there". But they are $20K speakers compared to mine at $4.5K so they should

I cannot speak to the Pioneer speakers since I've never heard or even seen them.
Regardless of which speakers you go with, you'll want a high performance sub. KEF's specs say 45HZ -3dB & 35HZ -6 dB. There is so much bass energy in the really low <20HZ range in many movie soundtracks, that you'll be missing a lot of the experience without a sub. My Magnepan fronts also go down to the mid-30's & they cannot reproduce the ultra-low bass in many movies. Even a movie like Disney's The Incredibles has been measured to have bass at the 10HZ level.

From personal experience, a sub is not where you want to skimp---go for the best one you can afford.

With hi quality full-range speakers like the KEF's, I'd recommend subs capable of < 15-20HZ to get the full benefit of using one. The REL Studio & Stentor, or Velodyne DD18 or 15 with built-in EQ, easily come to mind. For subs without built-in EQ, Velodyne's SMS-1 external EQ can be a big help on room bass response. Some people swear by internet brands like SVS & Hsu.

Check threads in the AVSForum subwoofer section & you'll get lots of opinions & heated debates

Just my 2c
Happy shopping!

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I've just joined the ranks of SC-LX90TX owners bought it yesteday
I auditioned the Pioneer S-1EX / S-7EX speakers and although I could live with them it was PMC OB1i / CB6i / GB1i set that knocked my socks off and made the hair stand on end.
My new little home cinema is going to be a 30 square meter ex-garage I'm fitting it with the Susano, PMC speakers, Rel Storm3 Sub, Pioneer KRF-9000FD projector throwing onto a 3m width 16:9 screen.
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Thank you guys. I will go for the subwoofer most probably Velodyne.

Alicatt, I have also ordered the KRF-9000FD looking forward to install it!!!
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It was a Velodyne that I auditioned the system with, great little sub.
I found the sound of the Pioneer speakers were just a bit to laid back and lacking in midrange, don't get me wrong tho they did sound very good but the PMCs had the edge over them for detail and they just made the music just that bit more enjoyable
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Hi again everyone,

Just wanted to chime in on the speaker debate:

I use a full set of Polk Audio LSi's as my reference set (LSi15 fronts, LSiC center, LSiFx surrounds x2, and a PSW-1000 SW) As a matched set I have been very satisfied with their transparency and musicality. Until I had the new SC-09, my regular receiver was a Denon 3805, which did a quite nice job driving the LSi's.

When I moved to the new house, I "inherited" a media room with Boston Acoustic VRi in-walls (not cheap, but not quite the same quality as my Polks). My secondary receiver was driving them, but not satisfactorily. Now that the SC-09 monster is in place, it has done amazing things to the sound. It is just a shade inferior to my Polks, though I haven't had time to completely A/B test them. Still, it is an amazing change overall.

Just another satisfied customer...

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[quote=telem;14694126]Hello !

I am the VERY happy owner of the new Susano.

What do you think about the KEF reference 205/2 speakers . Would this be according to you the "perfect" match? If yes I will then match them with the 201/2 for surround and the 204/2c as a center.

An alternative would be the Pioneer series S-1EX for stereo, S-7EX center and S-2EX for surround.

For both choises, would i need a subwoofer? I don't think so, but please let me have your opinion.

QUOTE]

I have been a Kef "reference generation" user for many years and found that older models sounded far better to my ears than the 205 etc. line. For the new HT room we auditioned many different sets and came to a short list of about 5.

My wife and I did many blind (A/B) tests with these, in both stereo and HT setting, and came every time back to the Pioneer 1EX's (with experiences as described in the Pioneer TAD EX speakers thread ). In the same shop they also had a set of the slightly smaller brother, the 3EX. They sound very close to the 1EX but perhaps miss the sparkle of Beryllium tweeter, however they sound amazing as well.
To make a long story short, we go for an all Pioneer HT set-up, with the exception of the subwoofers, which will be SVS PB13-Ultra's in piano black with SMS-1 EQ control.
So here it is::
Fronts 2x S-1EX-W, Center 1x S-7EX-W, and surrounds 4x S-3EX-W. All of these we managed to buy brand new in a closeout sale for a ridicules low price. The heart of the system will be Pioneers new 60inch plasma, the Susano SC-LX90 and new Blu-ray LX91 player. BTW the W in the code stands for dark wood (all most black) which awesome and very chique.

I did some A/B listening tests between the Velodyne DD-18 and SVS PB13-Ultra as well and to my ears I'll take the PB13 any time over the DD-18 for both music and movie. SVS make one heck of a subwoofer; please do check the many reviews and comparisons on the web.

The system is now officially on order and we can't wait to hear this, however in de meantime we still have to do a lot of work in actually building the room (in a old farmhouse in the Netherlands) and that probably wouldn't be finished before Christmas.

Good hunting!!
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