Originally Posted by JohnAV
The rear end view of the 2809 shows pre-outs. Most denon's provide that feature, as other brands.
well 2809 will be $1299!
no not all denons provide pre-outs and not all brands provide them.
You have to get all the way up to 2808 now to get all channel pre-outs.
Even the $849 2308 does not have pre-outs except sub out. Just ridiculous.
The Onkyo 606 ($499) does not provide preouts).
Marantz SR4002 provides preouts but the remote sucks. There is no way to
change the level of the channels on the fly. I have to adjust the level by playing test tones. What a clumsy way to adjust the levels.
605 and 705 provide buttons on the remote to adjust the speaker levels on the fly. So does Yamaha 663 and the Denons. So the Marantz is out of the list for me.
Did the idiots at Denon marketing make the decision that if they dont provide pre-outs then people will not buy separates and will only buy the denon AVR's?
Actually it the opposite. Why do people buy Yamaha 663 or Onkyo 705. because they give pre-outs, switched A/C outlet and 12V trigger, all
for $499. Yes you can get 705 for the same price as 663. On top of all this they handle post HDMI audio. I didnt find the sound quality of 705 to be any better than the 663 or my old Yamaha RX-V795a. So 705 went back. I also didnt keep the 663 as it wasnt better than my old 795a either, but it was very close to the 795a. The yamaha's seem to give deeper, tighter bass. I did not get that from the 705. I did try Denon 688 and thought I liked the sound but the Audyssey on that seemed messed up. So I am waiting for the new models. But if the new low end models dont give the pre-outs I would just get the 1908 or yamaha 663. I dont really care about post HDMI audio like True HD as I dont have Blu Ray or PS3.
The 705 deals wont last for too long. So currently the low end AVR to beat is the Yamaha 663. Of course someone could whine about the 2 HDMI inputs on the 663. I dont care much about video features on an AVR as I just connect the DVD player directly to the display and I also dont care about post HDMI audio. so what breaks the deal are the pre-outs, 12V trigger and A/C outlets. I presume the 663 has 2 outlets. So I can hook up both the CD and DVD player.
I have to wait for a while to see the 1909 specs and if it doesnt have all I want then I will just get the Yamaha 663 again and get some nice separates like Rotel RB-1070