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Too bad this receiver doesn't have pre-amp outputs, otherwise I'd jump on it!

I agree.
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J&R : 2
(btw, looks like they charged my credit card today)

to each his own...
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[quote=StimpsonJCat;14409286]OMeany,

Is your name taken from "A Prayer for Owen Meany"? It's one of my favorite books.

Yes it is. I too love that book. What a fantastic opening sentence. My phone listing even used to be O.N. Meany. (If you like Irving you might like Mark Helprin's "Memoirs from an Antproof Case" - if you haven't read it already.)

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J&R : 2
(btw, looks like they charged my credit card today)

J&R : 3

Usu they don't charge until they're ready to ship. When did you order?
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No, there's some confusion here:

Alternately, if you are only running 5.1, you can re-assign the two SURR.BACK channels to either Zone 2, Front A, or Front B. If you assign them to Front B, you can hook up A+B speakers and have them be powered by totally separate amps. in this arrangement the "B" speakers are hooked up to the SURR.BACK channels, not to the normal "FRONT B" speaker terminals.

Great info guys! I really appreciate the responses. Just to confirm, on the 1909/789, using the Front B option driven by the SURR.BACK amp works with digital sources, right?
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There are two lines of Denon's sold to competing stores. The AVR-789 is the mass retailer version for example CC would sell, and the AVR-1909 is the audio specialist store version that BB with Magnolia HIFI sells. Depending on the models there are some differences in appearance, capabilities and price.

What are the specific differences in this case between the 1909 and the 789, other than the fact that the 789 is cheaper? Is there an advantage to buying the 1909?
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I used a digital thermometer with a remote sensor for both the 606 and the 1909. It checked the thermometer with an ice water bath and it was right on 32 F. The room temperature was 78 F. My 1909 had been running for about 1 hour at -15dB and it maxed out at 105 F and then oscillated between about 103 F and 105 F. I'm not sure why yours would be that much hotter. If yours does turn out to run at 130F, that's as hot as my 606 ran.

EDIT: I ran another test tonight, running the 1909 at -18dB for about 2 hours. The temperature the the end of 2 hrs was bouncing between 104 F and 106 F.

Bugs, I ran a test this evening. The 1909 is in a closed cabinet with the front door open and 4 inches of ventilation at the top in the back. Room temperature outside the cabinet is about 85 F. I have been playing Planet Earth and now music at about -18dB. The temp on the top of the 1909 is about 112F.

So it looks like you have a delta T of 26F and I have a delta T of 27F. Close enough! I would have thought from feeling it that it was hotter than that. I suspect that 130F must feel really hot!

Do you have a closed in cabinet of is your 1909 out in the open?
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My question is, if they start discounting the 2808 or 2308's would it make any sense to get one of these over the 1909?
I will sell my older Denon AVR, and I have an Samsung 1550 Blu-Ray, AppleTV and Cable/DVR box as sources; and a Samsung LN52A6550 LCD.

Differences that matter:

-2HDMI only on 2308 and 2808, do you need more? I consider that you should keep this amp at least a few years, so what you need now is maybe not enough. Samsung bluray, 1 HDMI, Apple TV, HDMI too? cable box ? You can maybe use component instead of HDMI. AT least for AppleTV and CableBox.

-No HD codecs for 2308, so you cannot listen to DTS Master Audio tracks for the moment. The Samsung will maybe decode it, but it's not sure.

-No Dynamic EQ and Dynamic volume for 2308 and 2808. That's one of the main differences. It appears to be really a nice feature, but do you need it? Are you often playing with the volume button, or feeling that you are playing your movie too low or too high because of a compromise with your hubby/wife/whoever?

-more power for 2308 and even more for 2808. Do you really need it? How big is your room?

-2 zones for 2308 and 3 zones for 2808 I think. Do you plan to use this? To put 2 speakers in another room and play music there while playing a movie in the main room?

-Audyssey MultEQ XT for 2808, it's the best auto setting Audyssey can provide. How much better is it compared to MultEQ? Good question, you are the only one who can decide if it's worth it, and you would have to listen to decide Tough one!

-Preout on 2808, just in case you decide that you really need a bigger amp later. Probably not the case, but who knows?

-Better remote for 2808. Including learning feature I think, can be nice if you don't have a universal remote.

That's what I'm thinking about for the moment... I'm in your situation, trying to decide which Denon to buy. The 2808 would be enough, but 2 HDMI only, it's really a problem for me. And Dynamic Volume sounds very very nice. So I'm between 1909, 2309 and 2809 now
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Bugs, I ran a test this evening. The 1909 is in a closed cabinet with the front door open and 4 inches of ventilation at the top in the back. Room temperature outside the cabinet is about 85 F. I have been playing Planet Earth and now music at about -18dB. The temp on the top of the 1909 is about 112F.

So it looks like you have a delta T of 26F and I have a delta T of 27F. Close enough! I would have thought from feeling it that it was hotter than that. I suspect that 130F must feel really hot!

Do you have a closed in cabinet of is your 1909 out in the open?

Here's a photo of my installation. The cabinet is open, with 8" clearance on each side and 5" on the top and back. You're right...130F (52F delta T, double that of the 1909) is scortching! Onkyo AVR's have a reputatoin for running hot. One of the reasons I returned the 606 was because I was worried that running that hot all the time would eventually damage the electronics. Most likely a week after the waranty period ended.
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Differences that matter:

-2HDMI only on 2308 and 2808, do you need more? I consider that you should keep this amp at least a few years, so what you need now is maybe not enough. Samsung bluray, 1 HDMI, Apple TV, HDMI too? cable box ? You can maybe use component instead of HDMI. AT least for AppleTV and CableBox.

-No HD codecs for 2308, so you cannot listen to DTS Master Audio tracks for the moment. The Samsung will maybe decode it, but it's not sure.

-No Dynamic EQ and Dynamic volume for 2308 and 2808. That's one of the main difference. It appears to be really a nice feature, but do you need it? Are you often playing with the volume button, or feeling that you are playing your movie too low or too high because of a compromise with your hubby/wife/whoever?

-more power for 2308 and even more for 2808. Do you really need it? How big is your room

-2 zones for 2308 and 3 zones for 2808 I think. Do you plan to use this? To put 2 speakers in another room and play music there while playing a movie in the main room?

-Audyssey MultEQ XT for 2808, it's the best auto setting Audyssey can provide. How much better is it compared to MultEQ? Good question, you are the only one who can decide if it's worth it, and you would have to listen to decide THough one!

-Preout on 2808, just in case you decide that you really need a bigger amp later. Probably not the case, but that makes it more evolutive, just in case.

-Better remote for 2808. Including learning feature I think, can be nice if you don't have a universal remote.

That's what I'm thinking about for the moment... I'm in your situation, trying to decide which Denon to buy. The 2808 would be enough, but 2 HDMI only, it's really a problem for me. And Dynamic Volume sounds very very nice. So I'm between 1909, 2309 and 2809 now

Nice summary, FFF. I have to add my second to the Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ. I had an Onkyo 606 that I swapped for the 1909. The 606 is a very nice AVR (but plagued with bugs) and has Dynamic EQ, but not Dynamic Volume. From the day the 1909 arrived, my wife and neighbors have raved about the sound experience with the Dynamic Volume enabled. None of them are audiophiles, they just want to enjoy a movie without alternately straining to hear the dialog and covering their ears during the action sequences.

The 1909 remote is terrible, but you don't have to buy a high-end Denon to get a better one. Do yourself a favor and pick up a Harmony One, your family will love it. Just touch "Watch DVD" or "Watch TV" and the Harmony takes care of the rest.
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First Review, Five Stars:
http://whathifi.com/Review/Denon-AVR-1909

...but so is the Onky 605 and Sony 820.....
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Though I have pre-ordered 1909, I am still pondering on Pio 1018.

Will the wattage of 90w/Channel (Denon) and 130w/Channel (Pioneer) will make a big difference in audio pleasure? In other words will I miss the extra 40w/channel for not going with Pio. I currently own 1015.
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People have to get the receiver before they can talk about it, its problems, and its pluses

Getting it at a good price makes it even better!

thats correct, suck it up for a few more posts until plenty of people have them on hand...it will help you so you can determine if you want the receiver or not...have people review it first

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While I see what you guys are saying, from what I've seen in the Onkyo threads is that the price talk takes up most of the teaser/speculation thread. This thread is almost 20 pages and there is very little user discussion. At the same time I could see that as a good thing as people usually post about problems. I remember that the onkyo 605 thread had already put me off from buying one by the 20th page.
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just wondering, is the price difference between this unit and the onkyo 606 worth it? the onkyo can be had for around $350-$400 while denon is around $599-649. Id imagine it should drop down some though once theres more availability of it. i'm in no rush to pick one up yet so i guess i could to see how much the price of the denon drops. i currently have an Onkyo 603 which works fine but it would be nice to have the HDMI options.
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just wondering, is the price difference between this unit and the onkyo 606 worth it? the onkyo can be had for around $350-$400 while denon is around $599-649. Id imagine it should drop down some though once theres more availability of it. i'm in no rush to pick one up yet so i guess i could to see how much the price of the denon drops. i currently have an Onkyo 603 which works fine but it would be nice to have the HDMI options.

The Denon at $499 including shipping pushed me over the edge.
Read the last several pages for details, if you desire.

to each his own...
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just wondering, is the price difference between this unit and the onkyo 606 worth it? the onkyo can be had for around $350-$400 while denon is around $599-649. Id imagine it should drop down some though once theres more availability of it. i'm in no rush to pick one up yet so i guess i could to see how much the price of the denon drops. i currently have an Onkyo 603 which works fine but it would be nice to have the HDMI options.

I bought the 606 in the price range you quoted, swapped it out for the 1909 at full MSRP and consider it money very well spent. I liked my 606, but it was very buggy and ran hot. I have had no significant issues with the 1909 and, as I have said previously, Audyssey Dynamic Volume alone is worth the price of admission. At the time I bought the 1909, I was thinking that if Onkyo ever straightened out the problems with the 606, I might return the 1909 and re-purchase the 606. Having lived with the 1909 for a week, there is no way I would ever go back to the 606. I am very happy with my decision.
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does this unit have more than one HDMI output ? denon specs show 3 HDMI outputs supposedly.http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/4241.asp#

the picture from amazon seem to only show one. http://www.listenup.com/DENON+AVR-19...9-p-49908.html

Had my heart set on this one until I found this out.
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does this unit have more than one HDMI output ? denon specs show 3 HDMI outputs supposedly.http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/4241.asp#

the picture from amazon seem to only show one. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/ima...ctronics&img=1

Had my heart set on this one until I found this out.

That looks like a serious typo on the denon spec sheet.
My understanding is 3 HDMI IN, 1 HDMI OUT.

I could be wrong. The CNET review also lists 3 HDMI OUT:
http://reviews.cnet.com/av-receivers...-33043397.html

I think the photo of the rear of the unit at Amazon doesn't lie though.

Let's hear from someone with the unit in-hand.

to each his own...
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does this unit have more than one HDMI output ? denon specs show 3 HDMI outputs supposedly.http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/4241.asp#

the picture from amazon seem to only show one. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/ima...ctronics&img=1

Had my heart set on this one until I found this out.

It shows 3 inputs, from my vantage point. Your link doesn't work; I tried to link it also, didn't work. Type "denon 1909" in Amazon's search and look again at the rear pic.
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It shows 3 inputs, from my vantage point. Your link doesn't work; I tried to link it also, didn't work. Type "denon 1909" in Amazon's search and look again at the rear pic.

The question is how many HDMI outputs. Yea, Amazon links often don't work here. I did take a look at the amazon photo and I clearly see ONE HDMI OUT.

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The Denon at $499 including shipping pushed me over the edge.
Read the last several pages for details, if you desire.

Oohh tempting .. seems like the pre-order special has gone up though. guess i can give him a call to see if its still available. whether its meant to be or not

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I bought the 606 in the price range you quoted, swapped it out for the 1909 at full MSRP and consider it money very well spent. I liked my 606, but it was very buggy and ran hot. I have had no significant issues with the 1909 and, as I have said previously, Audyssey Dynamic Volume alone is worth the price of admission. At the time I bought the 1909, I was thinking that if Onkyo ever straightened out the problems with the 606, I might return the 1909 and re-purchase the 606. Having lived with the 1909 for a week, there is no way I would ever go back to the 606. I am very happy with my decision.

Thanks for that info! With the HDMI input/outputs, devices that are connected to it through HDMI, its just passthrough and doenst affect picture quality right?
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In my experience, the Denon spec sheets are rife with misprints. I see them often enough to take note of it.

That being said, look at the high-res pics on Denon's site, the 1909 has one single HDMI OUTPUT, 3 inputs.
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The question is how many HDMI outputs. Yea, Amazon links often don't work here. I did take a look at the amazon photo and I clearly see ONE HDMI OUT.

My bad, I didn't read you post close enough. Yes it is one HDMI OUT.

Sorry.
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In my experience, the Denon spec sheets are rife with misprints. I see them often enough to take note of it.

That being said, look at the high-res pics on Denon's site, the 1909 has one single HDMI OUTPUT, 3 inputs.

And I can comfirm from actual experience with the 1909 that it has 3 HDMI in and one HDMI out. And yes, the PQ of video signals that are passed through the 1909 HDMI ports is not degraded (tried it both ways). There is one minor issue with the pass through. With my Directv HR21, I found that if I let my TV do the upconverting, it increased the amount of time it took to change channels to an interminable 7 seconds. Letting the HR21 do the upconverting reduced the channel change time to 2-3 seconds.
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it was discussed right at the beginning

3 ins and 1 out

denon messed up, I wonder why they didnt fix it yet

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And I can comfirm from actual experience with the 1909 that it has 3 HDMI in and one HDMI out. And yes, the PQ of video signals that are passed through the 1909 HDMI ports is not degraded (tried it both ways). There is one minor issue with the pass through. With my Directv HR21, I found that if I let my TV do the upconverting, it increased the amount of time it took to change channels to an interminable 7 seconds. Letting the HR21 do the upconverting, reduced the channel change time to 2-3 seconds.


interesting. i have the DTV HR21 also. do you have plugged into the receiver or Tv directly? 7sec seems like forever when ti comes to changing channels
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interesting. i have the DTV HR21 also. do you have plugged into the receiver or Tv directly? 7sec seems like forever when ti comes to changing channels

I have the HR21 connected via HDMI to the 1909 and the 1909 connected to a Samsung LN-52A750 via HDMI. As I said, letting the HR21 do the upconverting solves the problem. There is no issue if you bypass the 1909, but then you don't get to use the 1909 for your Directv digital audio.
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Well, after much internal debate and no auditioning, I pulled the trigger on the 1909 from JR. In the end, the (seemingly) more comprehensive calibration won out over the pre-outs of the 1018.

For those wondering about pricing, Jacque is off today, but "Alex" was more than helpful taking my order @ $499 shipped. He was quick and courteous, so if you order today give him a ring, his ext. is 1023. Now I just need to decide about the warranty. If anyone is wondering, it's provided by "Repairmaster by Warrantech" and does not involve shipping your unit back (in most cases I assume). They locate an authorized repair center in your area for you to drop the unit off at. $59 for 5 years doesn't seem like a lot, so I'll probably end up covering myself just in case. I haven't had a single problem with my 10 year old yamaha though...

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