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I've never had a separate power amp before (using a Denon 3803) but am shopping for a new pair of floorstander speakers and feel like I might want a little more power.

I know a guy selling a used Parasound 2250 250-Watt 2ch ($600 used) and a Sunfire Cinema Grand 200-Watt 5ch ($700 used). I have a 5.1 system but mostly interested in improving my 2 channel sound and could continue to use my receiver for the center channel and surrounds. I also was wondering about the Outlaw Audio 200-Watt monoblocks ($350 apiece).

I'm trying to stay under $800, but obviously I don't want to get something that doesn't offer substantial improvement over my Denon in terms of quality.

Any opinions on these amps are appreciated.
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I would buy a new receiver first. But what speakers are you looking at buying and what do you watch/listen to, with fav's first.

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I would buy a new receiver first. But what speakers are you looking at buying and what do you watch/listen to, with fav's first.

I haven't settled on speakers yet, but I'm strongly considering Vandersteen 2CEs. I enjoy classical music, blues and rock & and of course I use my system for movies.

I may hold off and buy a new receiver, but I figure it will cost me at least $2,000.00 to get one that is much better than the 3803. I'm not that interested in decoding the new audio formats and don't really need HDMI switching. An external amp seems like a cheaper way to go.
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I haven't settled on speakers yet, but I'm strongly considering Vandersteen 2CEs. I enjoy classical music, blues and rock & and of course I use my system for movies.

I may hold off and buy a new receiver, but I figure it will cost me at least $2,000.00 to get one that is much better than the 3803. I'm not that interested in decoding the new audio formats and don't really need HDMI switching. An external amp seems like a cheaper way to go.

If I was you I would go out and listen to a few newer recivers for less then 2k

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If I was you I would go out and listen to a few newer recivers for less then 2k

Well I've listened to a few of them, like the Denon 3808 (MSRP 1699.00). Nice unit with all the new features, more powerful but not a huge difference over the 3803. The next model up, the 4308, MSRPs for $2699.00.
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Parasound... that is a great deal too!

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Well I've listened to a few of them, like the Denon 3808 (MSRP 1699.00). Nice unit with all the new features, more powerful but not a huge difference over the 3803. The next model up, the 4308, MSRPs for $2699.00.

I don't think that going with a amp will make up for the difference between the 3803 and a newer receiver. Can you take your receiver into the place with the Vandersteens and test it against another receiver they have? Also, you can find these receivers well under MSRP if you look a little

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Well I've listened to a few of them, like the Denon 3808 (MSRP 1699.00). Nice unit with all the new features, more powerful but not a huge difference over the 3803. The next model up, the 4308, MSRPs for $2699.00.

Either one of those amps will be a big step up from your receiver, now of course this is a personal opinion but I run amps on everything I own and it is night and day from the receivers own amplifiers and I run nothing but the Flagships from the companies I buy from. So will you benefit from external amplification, I defintely think so.

Btw between the two amps your thinking about I like the Sunfire. My sister has one, very sweet.

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I've never had a separate power amp before (using a Denon 3803) but am shopping for a new pair of floorstander speakers and feel like I might want a little more power.

I know a guy selling a used Parasound 2250 250-Watt 2ch ($600 used) and a Sunfire Cinema Grand 200-Watt 5ch ($700 used). I have a 5.1 system but mostly interested in improving my 2 channel sound and could continue to use my receiver for the center channel and surrounds. I also was wondering about the Outlaw Audio 200-Watt monoblocks ($350 apiece).

I'm trying to stay under $800, but obviously I don't want to get something that doesn't offer substantial improvement over my Denon in terms of quality.

Any opinions on these amps are appreciated.

One other thing check Audio Advisor for pricing on that Parasound if you decide to go that route...

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Thanks for the help. Fortunately this guy is local and I'm going to at least take a look at the amps to check their age and condition before making a decision.
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I just found out that the speakers you are looking at are from the early 90's. Remember, the sunfire is 19inch wide. Will it fit in the area the area you need to place it? I you may want to find the cheapest 200w 8ohm/400w 4ohm amp you can buy. the speakers are rated at 7/4 ohms

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I used to drive my B&W's with a Parasound HCA-2205AT for awhile. It sounded good, but ran HOT in an open rack. Not Onkyo cook a steak hot, but burn your hand hot. I replaced it with a Sunfire Cinema Seven, and am really happy with it. My Sunfire is the "Architect's Choice" model, only 17" wide.

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does the sunfire really run cool? Im looking at the Sunfire TGA 5200

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does the sunfire really run cool? Im looking at the Sunfire TGA 5200

I have the 5200 and it never gets hot it will get warm when I am running hard on a hot day.

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