Originally Posted by Straw_man
I think this is the whole thing in a nutshell. Increasing complexity means more can go wrong. To add to your second comment, at some level it becomes impossible to thoroughly test something to work out the quirks. Many of the quirks will only become evident after enough people are using the piece in different setups and in different ways.
I'll disagree with this. The problem is you, and me, and the OP, and everyone else. We want the latest and greatest technology, and we'll buy whatever comes out first. So, I own an electronics company, and you own one, and I put out my new 2160P HDMI 2.3a compliant receiver with the new REON video upconversion chip - a tech walking up to you in a meeting saying "Mr. Strawman - we have a few issues with our receiver that we'll need to research a fix for, it will be another 6 months" well, Mr. Strawman will blow a gasket, fire his tech, and launch his new receiver to compete with me.
I mean after all, the battle is getting our equipment in peoples homes, not whether or not it works properly. That's what the firmware fixes are for.
Trust me - they do enough R&D to know what's going on, it's just that Mr and Mrs. Investor doesn't care about, they just want to see their shares go up up up, and the only way that can happen is with the product being sold.
The alternative it to wait your 6 months, launch your product 'bug free', only to see my company come out in another month or two with the new 4320P 20,000 watt 12.3 channel super duper receiver that makes your 'brand new' receiver obsolete.
In the retail world - it's called FTM - first to market. As consumers, this is the price we pay. Look how Onkyo, a company that went really down hill, rebounded with their 'new' stuff.
Now, OP - as mentioned about Yamaha, I have a Yamaha - a TOTL 1070. It's 15, 16 years old now. Thing's a tank, works as well as the day I bought it. No features as it's all analog, no HDMI, no DVI, no Component, no upconversion at all. It has inputs for VCR, LDTV, CD, PHONO, etc.
What's really nice about it is I'll bet it's still going strong 10 years from now, and after about 25 years, there may be a market for it and I can sell it for a decent amount.
For now, I want to mothball the thing and get one of these 'new' receivers with all the latest and greatest crap (that btw - is already obsolete, we just don't know it yet. That's how fast things move!) that will need a firmware fix and will (hopefully) die on me in 5 years or so which means I'll have to replace it with the next latest and greatest receiver which is already in devleopment as I type this.
My other receiver is an HK 520 AVR. It's about 6 years old now I think. I've had to replace the remote control (under warranty though - I bought the extended warranty for it) and every once in a while (usually when I'm not in the room but it did happen once when I was in the room) the volume knob just decided on it's own to go up, and up , and up, and up and up up up up up up. Thank god the H/K power is pretty clean and doesn't clip that much as my speakers (three different sets) have all survived this phenomena.
Between the two for reliablily, I'd go Yamaha
Sound - H/K
Not sure what I'll buy to replace the Yammy. Been bouncing around the usual - Pioneer, Yamaha, Denon, Onkyo, and H/K. I do know I want:
4 HDMI inputs
easy access to the guts to do a firmware upgrade
All the latest sound decoders, including the HD sound formats
preouts for option to use an external amplifier
I'd like as a bonus
Option for 'side front speakers'
Second sub output (or even a .4
I'd like to pay less than $300 for it if I can. Why not, I've read enough thread here about people wanting a 7.1 speaker system and a receiver for $500 that can do all that, so I'm entitled
Will probably need to add another zero though