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post #271 of 3197 Old 09-21-2008, 10:01 PM
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Well thats quite a lot...
I am in the Market for a new receiver and the Denon seems to have caught my attention I was considering the Onkyo SR606 but I decided to spend a little bit more extra. For something better over all and not to mention better ergonomics.

But I dont think I need the features for the 2809 since I wont be using the pre-outs, my current receiver has it but never thought of using it. Great features though. However I am kinda tempted to get it cause of the remote lol

Thanks for the info! Grate to know...

I'm in the same boat. I was all set to get the 606 but then I went and checked it out at a local Circuit City. When I found a red shirt guy making an omlette on it, I figured I wasn't going to use it in my kitchen and started researching Denon. I'm zeroing in on the 2309 so far, but that doubles my initial budgeting.

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Well thats quite a lot...

But I dont think I need the features for the 2809 since I wont be using the pre-outs, my current receiver has it but never thought of using it. Great features though. However I am kinda tempted to get it cause of the remote lol

do not buy a receiver for features you will not use, that's silly. if you only have four sources connected to it and you will never use pre-outs or zone 2, let alone zone 3, why pay extra? definitely don't do it for the remote, that's sillier, as even the fancy touchscreen isn't as good of a remote as a decent universal.

90% of people would be much better off buying a 1909 or 2309 and spending $100 on a Harmony remote.

not dissing the 2809/989 at all, but just cautioning against the upgrade-itis itch that makes you spend money on thing you don't actually need. No matter what you buy, there will always be the "if you just spend XXX more, you can have feature YYY" nagging voice. Decide how many inputs you need, what features you will actually use, etc.

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Some of the other receivers look good on paper, but the build quality of Denon is far superior. I have had 2 Denon's for 5 years with no problems and my new 2309 is really nice. They cost a little more, but in the long run will be cheaper and more durable.
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I think I might be in the market for a new receiver - I'm on my second HK 254 and although I lover everything about the model it is just poor quality with breaks after just a few weeks.

Reviews online have lead me to the AVR-889; in my research I did not see an answer to the one feature I love about the AVR-254. Can I pair an HDMI to an Optical or Coax audio or even an analog? The AVR-254 has a tremendous flexibility in allowing any of its channels (DVD, Media Center, Aux, etc) to made up of a mix/match of video and audio inputs.

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Whats the difference between the 2309CI and 889?

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Reviews online have lead me to the AVR-889; in my research I did not see an answer to the one feature I love about the AVR-254. Can I pair an HDMI to an Optical or Coax audio or even an analog?

yes you can do that no problem. In the ASSIGN sub-menu for each input, you can assign any digital audio or hd video input to any "name" input (like "TV/CBL" or "DVD"). Then you'll have to chance the audio input setting for that input from "AUTO" (which will prioritize HDMI over other audio) and set it to "DIGITAL" to force it to take the audio from the optical/coax input that's assigned.

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Whats the difference between the 2309CI and 889?

they are IDENTICAL outside of:

1. cosmetics
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3. 2309ci has RS-232 port and 12V trigger out for custom installs (thus the "CI" designation)

the 3-digit models are sold in retail outlets like Circuit City and Fry's, whereas the 4-digit models are sold in higher-end shops and custom installs, but the biggest reason is probably so you can't price match between Best Buy (where Magnolia carries the 4-digit models) and Circuit City.

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Aha! Good to know...

Thanks again batpig! As you notice I am new to the Denon world. Hopefully will join the family soon

No wonder Future Shop doesnt have any 4 digit models. Not that I like buying stuff there lol.



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they are IDENTICAL outside of:

1. cosmetics
2. remote
3. 2309ci has RS-232 port and 12V trigger out for custom installs (thus the "CI" designation)

the 3-digit models are sold in retail outlets like Circuit City and Fry's, whereas the 4-digit models are sold in higher-end shops and custom installs, but the biggest reason is probably so you can't price match between Best Buy (where Magnolia carries the 4-digit models) and Circuit City.


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I'm currently doing this with my Pioneer but it doesn't have HDMI so, I better ask. In addition the the sound going through the HDMI will it pass sound to the analog outs, red/white and if so the assign menu takes care of this? I need to pass analog so the wireless headphone can pick up the accompanying sound. Assuming of course I run red/white from the playing device. Thanks!!

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In addition the the sound going through the HDMI will it pass sound to the analog outs

be a little more clear, I don't know what "it" is. you are trying to pass analog from where to where exactly?

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be a little more clear, I don't know what "it" is. you are trying to pass analog from where to where exactly?

Sorry, when I reread it I got confuzzled too.

I have my "DVD player". I would output to the Denon via HDMI (which I currently can't do, it goes to the TV) can I take the red/white from the DVD player and give it also to the Denon. Will the Denon route the analog sound to the tape out or monitor out so I can monitor it from analog wireless headphones. My Pioneer does this just fine. Except now, the digital sound is coming from optical or coax.
Is this better?

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What is a 12V trigger used for on these receivers?
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12V triggers are used to automatically power on/off devices that are connected to the AV setup. One example would be if you have a projector screen that lowers down from the ceiling -- you could set it up so that, when you switch to the "DVD" input to watch a movie, the projector screen is "triggered" and automatically comes down. Then, when you turn it off, it is triggered again to go back up.

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Sorry, when I reread it I got confuzzled too.

I have my "DVD player". I would output to the Denon via HDMI (which I currently can't do, it goes to the TV) can I take the red/white from the DVD player and give it also to the Denon. Will the Denon route the analog sound to the tape out or monitor out so I can monitor it from analog wireless headphones. My Pioneer does this just fine. Except now, the digital sound is coming from optical or coax.
Is this better?

The Denon can definitely do this, yes, the only question is if your source device can simultaneously output HDMI audio and analog (red/white) audio. In fact, this type of functionality is necessary because it won't downmix digital audio for zone 2 or analog recording output. So if it's working on your current setup it should be the same on the Denon.

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The Denon can definitely do this, yes, the only question is if your source device can simultaneously output HDMI audio and analog (red/white) audio. In fact, this type of functionality is necessary because it won't downmix digital audio for zone 2 or analog recording output. So if it's working on your current setup it should be the same on the Denon.

I kinda figure it would just asking for someone with more experience. Thanks. I think I'm putting in my order with Amazon today. I just got a nice GC that can help!!

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I did it. I ordered it from Amazon. Now the waiting begins...

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12V triggers are used to automatically power on/off devices that are connected to the AV setup. One example would be if you have a projector screen that lowers down from the ceiling -- you could set it up so that, when you switch to the "DVD" input to watch a movie, the projector screen is "triggered" and automatically comes down. Then, when you turn it off, it is triggered again to go back up.

Thanks, that makes sense!
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got the 889 yesterday and I'm happy with it so far

my only issue is that in 2 channel mode, it makes my already bright klipschs sound too bright...it makes my ears want to bleed...but it has to do with a setup or something, since music through DD sounds great
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90% of people would be much better off buying a 1909 or 2309 and spending $100 on a Harmony remote.

....

I have to agree. I am going to likely give a 2309 a shot going from a Pio Elite 45tx that I have used for ~5 years now. I love the 45tx's remote (display, backlit, universal, learning, easy to use).

I have to say I hate all the remote that come with the AVRs today. Maybe they do this on perpose now? So I've decided to step back and say hay I don't need the 2809 and I can have the 2309 + Harmony ONE remote for almost the same (well little more).

Now the only hickup that might burst my bubble!

Has anyone setup a 2309 w/Sony XBR4 LCD TV? I'm specifically worried about HDMI audio&Video drops that are still an issue with some 2008 model Denons (specifically bad with the 3808).

I'm only going to try the 2309 if I can get it on a good return policy. But would love to hear if someone else has tried this setup yet.
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got the 889 yesterday and I'm happy with it so far

my only issue is that in 2 channel mode, it makes my already bright klipschs sound too bright...it makes my ears want to bleed...

Humm.... I've always heard that Denons are nuetral / warm like Pio Elites. I really hope so because I'm in for a world of trouble if I swap out my Elite 45tx for a Denon 2309 and the sound is more fatiuging.
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got the 889 yesterday and I'm happy with it so far

my only issue is that in 2 channel mode, it makes my already bright klipschs sound too bright...it makes my ears want to bleed...but it has to do with a setup or something, since music through DD sounds great

That was my initial impression when I first got the 988. Run Audyssey first, then go into the 2-ch stereo/direct menu and set your fronts to "small" and LFE crossover to 90hz, then see how you like that. In my opinion, the consensus may be that people refer to the Denons as being "neutral" in sound, but to me, they are one click from being bright.
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lol I just notice in the back panel, the 3rd HDMI input is VCR

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yeah, that's ridiculous. they really need to just give up the "named" input thing, especially since they are all re-nameable. Just do what HK or Onkyo does and call them "Video 1", "Video 2", etc.

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I've been lurking this thread for a while debating between the Denon 889/2309ci and 989/2809ci and after the price I got on the AVR 889 at Circuit City on 9-21-08 I couldn't wait anymore and pulled the trigger! They did not have any in stock at the store but ordered me one to be shipped (Shipped on 9-23-08!) It was $499.99 plus tax with free FedEx Ground shipping. This is by far the best price I have seen for this unit. The guy pulled up the $499 price on his computer in store, then went to the CC web site and it was listed at $799. He said he could order me one at the $499 price for delivery and he wasn't kidding! It is scheduled for delivery on Friday, I can't wait.

This was at the Circuit City at Scottsdale/101 Freeway in Scottsdale, AZ.

Good luck to all. I wanted to wait until mine shipped before posting.

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I've been lurking this thread for a while debating between the Denon 889/2309ci and 989/2809ci and after the price I got on the AVR 889 at Circuit City on 9-21-08 I couldn't wait anymore and pulled the trigger! They did not have any in stock at the store but ordered me one to be shipped (Shipped on 9-23-08!) It was $499.99 plus tax with free FedEx Ground shipping. This is by far the best price I have seen for this unit. The guy pulled up the $499 price on his computer in store, then went to the CC web site and it was listed at $799. He said he could order me one at the $499 price for delivery and he wasn't kidding! It is scheduled for delivery on Friday, I can't wait.

This was at the Circuit City at Scottsdale/101 Freeway in Scottsdale, AZ.

Good luck to all. I wanted to wait until mine shipped before posting.

I can scan the receipt if it helps anyone out.

I ordered the 2309 from Amazon and have to wait.... Amazon raised the price to the 850 list now. I'm locked in at their old price. But, the 889 for 5 bills is very tempting. Are you sure there isn't a mistake, it seems mighty low for a new one. When they're clearing them, watch out for sure. Keep us informed. I for one am interested. Thanks.

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I've been looking back and forth at the 1909/789 and 2309ci/889 until I was blue in the face. I could have sworn the 889 was Made in China, until this morning. I looked again and it said Made in Japan. Was I hallucinating? Or, did they change the pic.
If I try to get Mr. Pieces deal, I need to also check the "Made in" sticker.

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I've been looking back and forth at the 1909/789 and 2309ci/889 until I was blue in the face.

to me it's pretty simple:

BIGGEST: do you need a fourth HDMI input?
BIG: do you need a phono input?
MINOR: do you need a front-panel optical/s-video input (like for a camcorder or something)?

if the answer is "yes" to two or three or those questions, get the 2309/889. if it's "no" to all three, get the 1909/789. if it's "yes" to one... then you just have to balance the cost/convenience of an HDMI switch or phono preamp vs. the cost difference of a 2309/889 vs 1909/789

the other differences (slightly more power, slightly better DAC's,etc) are so minor as to not be worth worrying about. hope that helps.

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to me it's pretty simple:

BIGGEST: do you need a fourth HDMI input?
BIG: do you need a phono input?
MINOR: do you need a front-panel optical/s-video input (like for a camcorder or something)?

if the answer is "yes" to two or three or those questions, get the 2309/889. if it's "no" to all three, get the 1909/789. if it's "yes" to one... then you just have to balance the cost/convenience of an HDMI switch or phono preamp vs. the cost difference of a 2309/889 vs 1909/789

the other differences (slightly more power, slightly better DAC's,etc) are so minor as to not be worth worrying about. hope that helps.

I currently have 4 HDMI devices of which two are 1.3 (Blu/Red)
I have a Technics Linear Tracking turntable, using a pre amp so direct in is certainly nice.
Front panel diffs are non-issue. So yup, 2 of 3. So I ordered the 2309ci and was happy to wait, until Brian scored gold. I had thought I remembered thinking the 889 was made in China. When I revisited the site I saw Made in Japan. (a whole different argument) That said, this morning I'll see if my local CC will match AZ CC and take it home and cancel Amazon. It's on a 6 week back order, but having dealt with Amazon for so long I know they can ship tomorrow, too. The MiJ is important to me, but not $240 important. I'll report my results later today.

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I successfully price matched the 889 at my local Circuit City. I canceled the 2309ci from Amazon. This is a helluva deal! Even the sales guy was amazed. No problems, he just ran it into the computer and matched the AZ price. I used my Amex which will ad a year of warranty. If it all works I'm set.

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