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Yes if you check nextag or pricegrabber. The 2809 is a world apart from the 2802 which didn't even offer a 32 bit processor, and the 2809 offers two 32 bit Sharc processors for example. The biggest changes support for Audyssey MultiEQ XT which your 2802 didn't have, and now offers support for Audyssey Dynamic Volume and EQ which will wow you. There was no equalization at all in the 2802. Next support for Dolby True HD, and DTS-Master HD, and four HDMI inputs. The 115 watts versus 90 watts is icing on the cake for you to consider. You also have a receiver ready for Ipod's, XM and Sirius radio. Use the Denon Ipod adapter and you can also have internet radio stations or stream music from your computer.

Just listen to a DVD with a Dolby Digital 2.0 sound track that you can now make 5.1 or 7.1 using Digital Dolby + PLIIx Cinema or DTS Neo 6. The 2802 was stuck with stereo only.

OMG, thanks. i'm drooling already.....
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Can somebody enlighten me what are the differences between the combination of 2809 + ASD-3W dock, and the 3808 - from the functionalities point of view? It looks to me that major difference of 2809 is lack of network connection but this is more than compensated by the dock, adding even WLAN, plus the docking for iPod of course.

Is there anything extra available in the 3808?

I don't mind about internal electronics differences since I doubt to be able to hear anythng due to them.

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Can somebody enlighten me what are the differences between the combination of 2809 + ASD-3W dock, and the 3808 - from the functionalities point of view? It looks to me that major difference of 2809 is lack of network connection but this is more than compensated by the dock, adding even WLAN, plus the docking for iPod of course.

Is there anything extra available in the 3808?

I don't mind about internal electronics differences since I doubt to be able to hear anythng due to them.

The 3808 offers 130 watts per channel against 115 watts for 2809

Better 24-bit/192kHz DAC's used in 3808. PCM-1791A 2 x 8 channels, 113 db S/N versus 24-bit/192kHz DSD-1608 8 channel DAC, 108 db S/N in the 2809.

3808 uses 24 bit/192 khz A/D Burr-Brown PCM-1804 versus 2809 uses 24 bit/192 khz A/D Burr-Brown PCM-1803.

3808 offers HDMI to HDMI scaling, and graphics GUI where you can tinker with settings, where 2809 is analog to HDMI scaling and text/icon GUI.

3808 being a more complex receiver with internet capabilities has had multiple issues that have been addressed through several firmware updates (via internet), latest have been sync and AV drop out issues. Even though some swear by firmware bug fixes/updates, the fact that they are issued at all points to functionality issues that should have been addressed early on in the life of the receiver.

NOTE: 3808/4308 users are getting a software upgrade to Dynamic Volume+EQ for extra $100 in October.

The 2809 + ASD-3W dock does not allow firmware updates from internet, firmware updates if needed are done with a PC connected to 2 way RS-232 port.

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Better analog audio DAC's used in 3808, but most of us are using digital inputs.

I'm looking to replace my NAD T163 with either a 2809 or 3808 for use a pre-amp/processor only, with Rotel power amps.

Audyssey Dynamic EQ is a must-have, and I'm not sure if the software upgrade to the 3808 will be offered in Australia.

If the 3808 really does use better DACs (there still seems to be debate over this), then those DACs are [i]every bit/I] as important with the digital inputs, as everything needs converting to analogue at the end of the pre-amp stage.

That said, I'd like to know what real-world sonic differences exist between the 2809 and 3808 when used as a pre-pro only....


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The 3808 offers 130 watts per channel against 115 watts for 2809

Better analog audio DAC's used in 3808, but most of us are using digital inputs.

What do you mean "But"? The main purpose of the DAC is to operate on the digital inputs and internal digital signals! You don't need a DAC at all if you're only using analog audio inputs and not doing any digital processing (EQ, virtual surround, etc.).
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That said, I'd like to know what real-world sonic differences exist between the 2809 and 3808 when used as a pre-pro only....

See this thread, but prices are now a lot less for 2809's. We debated this and some thought it was important and others doubted you could hear any difference.

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I would first hook the laptops HDMI cable to HDMI1 used by DVD and select quick select position 1 and see if you get Audio. If it does then it's the 2809 HDMI configuration against HDMI-SAT input.

I did try the Quick Select 1, but I was still unable to get any audio from my Dell Studio laptop.

I have tried everything I can think of and no luck. I did update the audio drivers to the latest version posted on Dell's website as of 9/8/2008, but there is no difference.

Any other ideas? The DVD HDMI1 input works fine for other equipment, and the laptop is able to send audio to TVs.

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3808 offers HDMI to HDMI scaling, and graphics GUI where you can tinker with settings, where 2809 is analog to HDMI scaling and text/icon GUI.

Thank you for enlightening me. I did not realize the HDMI-HDMI issue at all.
Have to dig more...

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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post14745837

Sorry for the crosspost, but this might be a better thread (I originally posted to the 3808/4808 thread as the symptoms are exactly as others are posting about there). Is anyone else experiencing hdmi video dropouts with the 2809?

Component in from xbox 360 going out on hdmi. The video has dropped out with the xbox emitting both 720p and 1080i. Non swithed xbox video to tv does not display problem and it did not occur while switched via my previous receiver. The original post describing the symptoms: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post14703157
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I would like to preface that I am aware of the "no price discussion" on forums so I will be as vague as possible. Please let me know if I cross the line and I will immediately delete this post.

I have been patiently looking for a good deal on this receiver and have found an online retailer that sells for significantly less than MSRP, but I don't see them listed on Denon's website. I am guessing this means it is 'grey market' and Denon will not service the unit if it ever has problems? This will be my first receiver purchase ever so I am hesitant to spend money and be stuck with a lemon (or something else entirely). Is it worth the risk?
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I would like to preface that I am aware of the "no price discussion" on forums so I will be as vague as possible. Please let me know if I cross the line and I will immediately delete this post.

I have been patiently looking for a good deal on this receiver and have found an online retailer that sells for significantly less than MSRP, but I don't see them listed on Denon's website. I am guessing this means it is 'grey market' and Denon will not service the unit if it ever has problems? This will be my first receiver purchase ever so I am hesitant to spend money and be stuck with a lemon (or something else entirely). Is it worth the risk?

Did you check with JR.com or 6th ave to see if they would match the price?

Is the dealer listed in the local Denon dealers listed by state? You can name the vendor just not the quoted price.

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The 3808 offers 130 watts per channel against 115 watts for 2809

Better analog audio DAC's used in 3808, but most of us are using digital inputs.

What do you mean "But"? The main purpose of the DAC is to operate on the digital inputs and internal digital signals! You don't need a DAC at all if you're only using analog audio inputs and not doing any digital processing (EQ, virtual surround, etc.).

That's exactly what I thought too...that DACS are not needed if you feed the amp with an analog signal and just 'amplify' it...am I wrong? Could someone please explain to me the difference between DACs and A/D ?

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Can anyone please confirm this receiver does HDMI video pass-thru even if it's decoding the HDMI audio? I'm a gamer and any video lag from processing the HDMI video is unacceptable. An answer like "I don't feel any lag" is not sufficient. It not overlaying GUI graphics on HDMI sources is a good sign, but I need to know for sure.

Basically I want it to process the audio and not touch the video. I get scared when I read posts about 1080p/24 and x.v color space, blah blah. Why should ANY of that matter if it's just a repeater...? Makes me suspicious.

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Did you check with JR.com or 6th ave to see if they would match the price?

Is the dealer listed in the local Denon dealers listed by state? You can name the vendor just not the quoted price.

I have not called either dealer as I am at work. I suspect the price is so low that they will not match, but it is certainly worth checking. I looked at the California authorized dealer list, which is where the e-tailer is based (pcdirectnet.com), but I did not find them.
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Can anyone please confirm this receiver does HDMI video pass-thru even if it's decoding the HDMI audio? I'm a gamer and any video lag from processing the HDMI video is unacceptable. An answer like "I don't feel any lag" is not sufficient. It not overlaying GUI graphics on HDMI sources is a good sign, but I need to know for sure.

Basically I want it to process the audio and not touch the video. I get scared when I read posts about 1080p/24 and x.v color space, blah blah. Why should ANY of that matter if it's just a repeater...? Makes me suspicious.

The 2809 for HDMI to HDMI does no processing as it is only a HDMI repeater. (see page 9 of users manual)

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I have not called either dealer as I am at work. I suspect the price is so low that they will not match, but it is certainly worth checking. I looked at the California authorized dealer list, which is where the e-tailer is based (pcdirectnet.com), but I did not find them.

I like this from online. "It is a scam. The 800 number does not work and the other number is a doctor's number. The address of the company is the Compton Housing Authority. It uses freeware merchandise ecommerce ware. The website was just opened, and the programmer is a guy out of Chicago. The ip sponsoring the domain is a 510 number with a full mail box. Steer clear."

Look at address on Google street view shows no business in scenic Compton. Not a nice location!

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I like this from online. "It is a scam. The 800 number does not work and the other number is a doctor's number. The address of the company is the Compton Housing Authority. It uses freeware merchandise ecommerce ware. The website was just opened, and the programmer is a guy out of Chicago. The ip sponsoring the domain is a 510 number with a full mail box. Steer clear."

Look at address on Google street view shows no business in scenic Compton. Not a nice location!

Thank you. I will stay clear of them. I was hoping to get one of these for a few hundred less than MSRP. Oh well few more weeks of saving won't kill me.
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are any of the NY etailers reputable? They seem to have the BEST prices. $300 less from MSRP
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I would like to preface that I am aware of the "no price discussion" on forums so I will be as vague as possible. Please let me know if I cross the line and I will immediately delete this post.

I have been patiently looking for a good deal on this receiver and have found an online retailer that sells for significantly less than MSRP, but I don't see them listed on Denon's website. I am guessing this means it is 'grey market' and Denon will not service the unit if it ever has problems? This will be my first receiver purchase ever so I am hesitant to spend money and be stuck with a lemon (or something else entirely). Is it worth the risk?

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are any of the NY etailers reputable? They seem to have the BEST prices. $300 less from MSRP

JR offers less than MSRP and free shipping, you may be able to work some magic and with price matching and get it less. Talk to Jacques at

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Hey there everyone,

I am still in progress fixing up my apartment ... long road. But today I stopped by a place in Manhattan and listened to some B&W speakers & a REL sub. These things sounded sweet. Would the following setup be overkill for the 2809? My stop for this is only 10'x10' and near 11' high.

B&W:
bookshelves 685 - <25W - 100W>
center HTM62 - <25W - 120W >
surrounds DS3 - <25W – 100W>

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R series 205 http://www.sumikoaudio.net/rel/manua...sManual_UK.pdf

PS: The setup on the sub looks a little strange to me
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Overkill? Not at all! Perfect combo, if you ask me!

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Just wondering how you're all finding Dynamic EQ?

What sort of differences is it making?


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I was able to get this receiver (AVR-2809CI) for a very good deal.. almost $600 off MSRP.

Any reccomendations for speakers?

How about this set highly reccomended by CNET:

Aperion Intimus 4T Hybrid SD
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I am this close ( ) to buying this receiver after seeing that it has no lag for gaming, but I have one final question, on last years Denons, columns 1919 and 1920 on a 1080p tv were copies of columns 1917 and 1918, does the Denon still have this problem?
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Any reccomendations for speakers?

My favourite manufacturer these days is Paradigm.

They make something for everyone, and you don't need to buy too far up the range for superb, accurate sound.

I particularly like their range of meaty centre speakers, and semi-dipole wall-mount surround speakers ("semi-dipole" meaning that the treble is out of phase, but the bass is in.)

Infinity's BETA range is also excellent for similar reasons.


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If anyone is on the fence here....I just bought another 2809 off ebay for $899 (with a $200 cashback rebate) so thats $699 in the end.

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If anyone is on the fence here....I just bought another 2809 off ebay for $899 (with a $200 cashback rebate) so thats $699 in the end.

Just did the same thing. That live.com ebay cashback deal is amazing.


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Howdy All,

Just got my 2809 last night...I have an older plasma...one of the original panny w/ just component connections...no HDMI =(. Nonetheless, my question is...can I connect my cable box, DVD, and PS3 to the receiver with HDMI and will it be possible to output the video out through component video to my tv? All I get is sound but no video..so is this feasible?

Thanks much in advance!
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Just did the same thing. That live.com ebay cashback deal is amazing.


Yeah, Im happy someone posted it yesterday...its hard to spot when it happens.

I had a 25% deal back in august too......I have $300 right now in my pending cashbacks.

Its very nice to get 30% off a NEW AVR.

Now I should resell it for a profit

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Well, what do you know... The 2809 finally made if over the pond, too. Just picked one up from Hifi-klubben in Oslo. Can't wait to set it up. Gotta go!

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