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Do I need hex codes to get my Harmony 880 to go to DVR input?

Can't go from SAT input to DVR input with my Harmony 880 - though it will go to DVD.
Does that mean I need to give Logitech the hex codes for DVR input and have them add the commands?
If so, can The Soapbox Kid or anyone else help out with the codes?
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Yes, you need to contact Logitech support and advise them to add the hex codes you need to your device database.

The hex discrete that you need to give to Logitech for the DVR input is:

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Dynamic Volume is going to keep the volume of the source from going even higher than it's already set (eg. commercial broadcast) whereas it's already at a higher volume setting since you adjusted the volume for your PS3. Source level adjustment is certainly one way to solve the problem although it can only be adjusted +/-12db and you're looking for as much as a +20db increase when switching to the PS3. Try increasing the volume at the PS3 to it's maximum and see if that helps. Probably the best option though considering the huge difference in sound between the two sources is to setup Quick Select #1 for the satellite input at -30db volume and Quick Select #2 for the PS3 input with a -10db volume.

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FYI new 2809 owners: I have called Denon Tech support on many occasions over the past year (2808CI owner here), more so in the first few months of setting up (as many of you will do as well) and initially, the support was quite good and knowledgeable as I was speaking to a real "tech support" person from New Jersey. However, at some point this past summer, additional support has been added in Houston and the "tech support" person's knowledge of the Denon hasn't always been that reliable as they are most likely CSRs who have been given a data sheet to learn and nothing more beyond that. I don't know if all calls are going to Houston now, but I would certainly ask the person where they're located if you doubt the information they are providing.

Pinkee - the owner's manual cautions that 4 ohm speakers can be used as long as they are not used for extended periods at high volumes. The "Protection circuit" is specifically designed to cut off the unit should an overheating situation occur. So keep the volume at a reasonable level and you'll be fine.

Thx. Yes I agree. I have called Denon a couple of times. This last time definately seemed to be more like a CSR than the guy I had the earlier time who did strike me as being 'in the know'. Thx for reply.
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I found a test in German "Audiovision" saying it is a very good receiver however:
- actual, measured wattage is 89 W against 115 W in the specification,
- temperature rise is 51 deg.C.!
I am especially worried about the temperature. I would have only 2 cm gap between the receiver and glass shelf above. Although all sides are open I am affraid of the heat build up which may damage the receiver. Has anyone got similar shelf conditions?
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I found a test in German "Audiovision" saying it is a very good receiver however:
- actual, measured wattage is 89 W against 115 W in the specification,
- temperature rise is 51 deg.C.!
I am especially worried about the temperature. I would have only 2 cm gap between the receiver and glass shelf above. Although all sides are open I am affraid of the heat build up which may damage the receiver. Has anyone got similar shelf conditions?

That is a very tight fit. Heat rises, I think that clearance will pose a problem.

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I found a test in German "Audiovision" saying it is a very good receiver however:
- actual, measured wattage is 89 W against 115 W in the specification,
- temperature rise is 51 deg.C.!
I am especially worried about the temperature. I would have only 2 cm gap between the receiver and glass shelf above. Although all sides are open I am affraid of the heat build up which may damage the receiver. Has anyone got similar shelf conditions?

As JohnAv pointed out to the poster on the previous page, for sufficient heat escape, you should have at least 2" or 5 cm clearance. I would be looking at another location for the AVR if I were you.

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As JohnAv pointed out to the poster on the previous page, for sufficient heat escape, you should have at least 2" or 5 cm clearance. I would be looking at another location for the AVR if I were you.

The problem is I cannot change the location. In this situation I will have to either look for another receiver with a fan (faulty H/K 355 ?)or to put a small fan behind the rack. It won't be easy to find enough silent one mains operated.
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The problem is I cannot change the location. In this situation I will have to either look for another receiver with a fan (faulty H/K 355 ?)or to put a small fan behind the rack. It won't be easy to find enough silent one mains operated.

Either that or look for a new rack that provides for much better ventilation if you want to stick with the 2809 as 5 cm is the bare minimum especially if you believe high temp is 50° C. Check this thread out on cooling fans for more info if you decide to go that route instead. Here is another article regarding heat build up.

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Can anyone please confirm the below for me?


you should be able to adjust the gain for those different sources. But this is not unusual.
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Earlier review of the AVR-2809 from What HiFi. "Clarity is impressive too, although the Yamaha DSP-AX863SE we used as a reference comparison felt even more surgical in its precision and accuracy: it pulled out subtle elements from the dense soundfield at the start of I Am Legend that the Denon rather glossed over."

I listened to the Yamaha RX-V863 quite a bit, and don't think it offers better audio clarity especially at higher volume, then again that's my opinion. Later in the review:
"So why doesn't it get five stars? Simple: we already felt that the Yamaha was a better performer when we believed the two cost similar money – and then Yamaha cut the DSP-AX863SE's price by £200, making it a clearly better buy in terms of performance-per-pound."

Well per Playback May 2008 review of the Yamaha RX-863 notice how movies audio quality gets a 9 and music sound quality gets a 8, compared to the older Denon 2308 which gets a 9 also for movies sound quality, but the music sound quality gets a 10. So I guess the reviewer has his personal tastes, and loves Yamaha's sound, but when I listened to a Yamaha RX-V1800 I thought it had a warmer sound closer to the Denon AVR-2809, but I disagree with the RX-V863 having a "but at the same time, a little slower and flabbier in the bass than the class best" as the reviewer stated. I really have to wonder if he even setup Audyssey correctly?

Addition review to consider from Sound and Vision September 2008 issue if you wish to another input concerning the RX-V863 performance.

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I found a test in German "Audiovision" saying it is a very good receiver however:
- actual, measured wattage is 89 W against 115 W in the specification,
- temperature rise is 51 deg.C.!
I am especially worried about the temperature. I would have only 2 cm gap between the receiver and glass shelf above. Although all sides are open I am affraid of the heat build up which may damage the receiver. Has anyone got similar shelf conditions?

If that is against 6 or seven channels driven to clipping then 89 watts is not bad. Tell us the URL for that review. If you utilize a large fan to suck air from back side of receiver then you could possible make this work. Sure you don't want this receiver on top of the rack next to display?

The 51 deg C would only occur with receiver in close confinement being used long term at near clipping audio levels. Most of the time you use considerable lower audio level, and the receiver in my normal operation with 5.1 setup (8 ohm) only gets warm, never hot to touch.

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Please, why are we quoting 'What HiFi', a magazine that is notroious for their rhetoric and bs? I remember one reader commenting that "they should call their mag 'What's HiFi?'" .
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Please, why are were quoting 'What HiFi', a magazine that is notroious for their rhetoric and bs? I remember one reader commenting that "they should call their mag 'What's HiFi?'" .

I thought a What HiF reviewer who is overly concerned with value needed a jab.

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If that is against 6 or seven channels driven to clipping then 89 watts is not bad. Tell us the URL for that review. If you utilize a large fan to suck air from back side of receiver then you could possible make this work. Sure you don't want this receiver on top of the rack next to display?

The 51 deg C would only occur with receiver in close confinement being used long term at near clipping audio levels. Most of the time you use considerable lower audio level, and the receiver in my normal operation with 5.1 setup (8 ohm) only gets warm, never hot to touch.

The URL of "Audiovision" is http://audiovision.de. There is a comparison test there of Denon 2809, Marantz SR 6003, Onkyo 806, Pioneer VSX-LX51. To get the test results it is necessary to buy it on-line at Euro 1.99. I did it. Unfortunately it is only in German. I will send you a brief by email. The wattage measured was 89 W at "multichannel driven" at 8 Ohm 1 kHz Sinus and in stereo: 187 W at 4 Ohm 1 kHz Sinus.
I cannot place the receiver on the top shelf of the rack (1 meter wide) as the base of my LCD TV occupies most of it. Does Denon 2809 have any device preventing overheating?
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Just bagged a 2809ci on ebay for good price and should get the MS cash back on top of that. Should be good for several years so wish me luck. I will post a quick review when received.

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I cannot place the receiver on the top shelf of the rack (1 meter wide) as the base of my LCD TV occupies most of it. Does Denon 2809 have any device preventing overheating?

The Denon has protection circuits that prevents operation in the case of overheating or excessive current. The receiver relies on simple heat convection to cool itself.

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People like the appearance of the 2809 better.
the 989 doesn't have the plate on the front that you can open to reveal buttons, etc. etc.
there is a installer customization component to the 2809.
the 2809 does look much better imo.

Did this change? I've seen several 989 in stores it the face looks nearly identical to my 2809. Including the flip-down panel cover.
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Did this change? I've seen several 989 in stores it the face looks nearly identical to my 2809. Including the flip-down panel cover.

As does my 989.


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Did this change? I've seen several 989 in stores it the face looks nearly identical to my 2809. Including the flip-down panel cover.

The little buttons on the front panel are much larger plastic ones on the 989. The 2809 has a smoother curvature towards the top. The 2809 display cutout has a bit more artistic channeling compared to the 989. The source select knob and master volume knob are almost flush with the hole on the 989, but not so with the 2809. While not that different overall when you see one up close, yes you will notice a number of small differences in appearance. IMHO I came away with the impression that the 989 looks a bit cheaper then the 2809. In the past the mass merchant model never looked as good as the AV specialty store model. This time they are closer in appearance. Take a look at the enlarged front view of each receiver on the Denon web site.

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Currently struggling w/ the 2809, sounds great but it's my first time calibrating with an SPL meter. Any tips? Should it be calibrated w/ Audyssey on or off?

I like the sound better w/ Audyssey engaged from the autosetup microphone but don't know how to incorporate the channel trim levels I found with the calibration into Audyssey? If I adjust the trim levels would I need to somehow correct the EQ settings also?
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Currently struggling w/ the 2809, sounds great but it's my first time calibrating with an SPL meter. Any tips? Should it be calibrated w/ Audyssey on or off?

I like the sound better w/ Audyssey engaged from the autosetup microphone but don't know how to incorporate the channel trim levels I found with the calibration into Audyssey? If I adjust the trim levels would I need to somehow correct the EQ settings also?

You shouldn't need an SPL meter anymore because Audyssey will trim channels for you during the primary position measurement / setup. Perhaps you should read up on Audyssey, there's a detailed thread linked in a previous post.
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Here's the first online review concerning the Denon AVR-2809 I found published by Area DVD a german site with a translated link. Many images, including internal shots, OSD, front and back views.

Conclusion: "Recognition is Denon with the middle-class model is an absolute hit succeeded - the reward is the price reference predicate classes.
First-class AV receiver with good balance and nearly superior processing"

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Recently upgrading a system. Installed AVR-989. No matter the station or the band, Z1 the tuner cuts-out for approx. 3sec. then comes back for a ms. then back out again. Front display shows NO loss of signal either in ST. or MONO.

The Kicker: Z2.........No cut-out

OK, I must have a bumb piece.

Return to job with new AVR-989...........Ya, same issue. Z2 .........No cut-out. Prior AVR-3806 worked fine.


This is a direct attic antenna feed ( not split ) directly to reciever. Tried factory Ant. on 1st and 2nd piece with same result.

Am I nuts? Did I just pick up two bumb pieces in a row with the same issue?

Denon installer for nearly 15 years, tried factory resets on both pieces. Tried every trick in the bag. I should have been a dentist.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated short of me being new to your forum.

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Recently upgrading a system. Installed AVR-989. No matter the station or the band, Z1 the tuner cuts-out for approx. 3sec. then comes back for a ms. then back out again. Front display shows NO loss of signal either in ST. or MONO.
The Kicker: Z2.........No cut-out

So you are saying that using zone 1 you run into this problem and with zone 2 you don't? Weird. My 2809 shows proper operation with FM reception using zone 1, but I use the simple antenna.
Have you tried the simple antenna that came with the unit? I assume you are using a 75 ohm coax to the attic?

First thoughts are that this sounds like some setting is incorrect, or a grounding issue with antenna as I've never heard of the FM tuner detecting signal and cutting out like that.

BTW is this USA version or another?

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Question for those of you with PS3s on this receiver:

[referring to PS3 at firmware 2.50] If the PS3 output is 7.1 LPCM and it's playing a 5.1 movie (PCM/DTHD/DTS-MA/etc) are the playback rear surround channels blank, thus preventing you from using PLIIx? In other words, the receiver believes it's getting all 7.1 channels and disables the PLIIx from working, leaving the rear surrounds blank. Is that the case?

What's the solution, besides changing the PS3 output to 5.1 LPCM? (a pain when you DO want to watch a true 7.1 source)

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Question for those of you with PS3s on this receiver:

[referring to PS3 at firmware 2.50] If the PS3 output is 7.1 LPCM and it's playing a 5.1 movie (PCM/DTHD/DTS-MA/etc) are the playback rear surround channels blank, thus preventing you from using PLIIx? In other words, the receiver believes it's getting all 7.1 channels and disables the PLIIx from working, leaving the rear surrounds blank. Is that the case?

What's the solution, besides changing the PS3 output to 5.1 LPCM? (a pain when you DO want to watch a true 7.1 source)

I don't have a 7.1 setup, however, tried this out playing a 2.0 CD on the PS3 with the 5.1 blocks all checked. Sure enough, the AVR showed a 5.1 signal input however, all but the FL and FR channels were "blank". I then changed the PS3 audio settings to 2.0 only and it showed 2.0 input on the AVR and 5.1 Dolby PL II output with audio on all 5 channels.

I then set up some "phantom" surround back speakers and played a DD 5.1 DVD with the PS3 sound setting in automatic (all blocks including 7.1 checked). The AVR showed 7.1 input and 7.1 output and displayed DD PLIIx before the actual movie started, however, once the movie started the AVR icons dropped to 5.1 input and 5.1 output and displayed Multi-Chan In and not DD PLIIx, therefore apparently not sending any audio signals to the SBL and SBR speakers. However, you can still get sound to your SBL and SBR speakers by setting up one of the DSP Simulation playback modes (SIMU on the remote) (e.g Wide Screen).

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Question for those of you with PS3s on this receiver:

[referring to PS3 at firmware 2.50] If the PS3 output is 7.1 LPCM and it's playing a 5.1 movie (PCM/DTHD/DTS-MA/etc) are the playback rear surround channels blank, thus preventing you from using PLIIx? In other words, the receiver believes it's getting all 7.1 channels and disables the PLIIx from working, leaving the rear surrounds blank. Is that the case?

What's the solution, besides changing the PS3 output to 5.1 LPCM? (a pain when you DO want to watch a true 7.1 source)

I have the ps3 and the denon 1909/789 setup in 7.1, and can use PLIIX with 5.1 movies without changing any settings on the ps3. The ps3 only outputs 5.1 when playing a 5.1 movie soundtrack. And the 7.1 PLIIX sounds great!

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After testing in an audio shop Denon 2809 against H/K 355 I decided to buy Denon. When testing H/K 355 I wanted rather to prove to myself that possible better sound of H/K is not that better that would justify buing it and fighting the issues of that receiver. IMO H/K had a little warmer sound and more bass however it sounded like was not controlling the bass properly. Denon was giving more detailed and pure sound. The tests were made on 2 front JBL ES 90 as I have 5.1 JBL ES with ES250P sub at home.
After starting using Denon at home I am a little bit disappointed. The Audissey auto set-up did not make it right. The central speaker was hardly heard, I had to correct quite a lot channel volumes of central and surround speakers (too loud). The distances to speakers Audissey fixed on the basis to 1st measurement although I made all 8. After 2 days still cannot make satisfactory settings for speakers. The real disaster was listening to Chicago and Earth, Wind & Fire in DTS HD Master Audio from Blu-ray. It sounded much worse than on my former Sony STR-DG820 but not the quality of sound, just not the proper volumes of channels and not the right balance of tones. I hope however that I will be able to put everything on the right track, maybe I need more time to get better acquainted with this receiver.
Besides, I cannot configure my Harmony One properly: I succeeded in adding Menu which was missing but still cannot add HDP input nor Channel Volume up/down arows. Already sent a message to Logitech.
The good thing is that despite only 2 cm gap between the top of the receiver and a glass shelf above, the temperature there rose only upto 41 deg.C. after 5 hours of use.
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JohnAV,

Thanks for the reply. Yes I tried the factory antenna. Went back to job on Friday with a new 989. You have to love our jobs.

Before replacing the amp I turned the radio on to hear if the problem was still there. Of course it was. Left the radio playing as I disconnected everything one at a time. I got to the HDMI Monitor out, when I unplugged it, the radio played solid. Hmmmmm......

Plugged HDMI Mon. Out back in, the radio continued to play. Turned amp off and back on with HDMI Mon. Out still in, Radio cut in and out. Unplugged HDMI Out, Radio played solid again.

HDMI Mon. Out back in place, turned off amp, turned amp back on to source Tuner, of cource cuts in and out. Did not touch HDMI Mon. Out.........Turned on TV (Samsung DLP Rear Proj.) Radio played solid. OK.............What the ****.

Re-programmed remote so the TV turns on when selecting radio. Gave customer a TV Off button under Radio selection to turn the TV back off after selection Radio, if he wants to. You do have a tuner display output, but I told him its best to turn the TV off after he finds the station he wants. WEIRD Huh??
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JohnAV,

Thanks for the reply. Yes I tried the factory antenna. Went back to job on Friday with a new 989. You have to love our jobs.

Before replacing the amp I turned the radio on to hear if the problem was still there. Of course it was. Left the radio playing as I disconnected everything one at a time. I got to the HDMI Monitor out, when I unplugged it, the radio played solid. Hmmmmm......

Plugged HDMI Mon. Out back in, the radio continued to play. Turned amp off and back on with HDMI Mon. Out still in, Radio cut in and out. Unplugged HDMI Out, Radio played solid again.

HDMI Mon. Out back in place, turned off amp, turned amp back on to source Tuner, of cource cuts in and out. Did not touch HDMI Mon. Out.........Turned on TV (Samsung DLP Rear Proj.) Radio played solid. OK.............What the ****.

Re-programmed remote so the TV turns on when selecting radio. Gave customer a TV Off button under Radio selection to turn the TV back off after selection Radio, if he wants to. You do have a tuner display output, but I told him its best to turn the TV off after he finds the station he wants. WEIRD Huh??

Which Samsung DLP did you encounter this with? I have a AVR-2809 connected to a Samsung HL-T6189S (HDMI 1.3a) and can turn on radio with no cutouts with HDMI monitor connected with display off, pretty much with default settings. This instance sounds interesting to determine what is causing this.

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