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Well I'm now the proud owner of a SC-07!!

My local A/V store went bankrupt and had a liquidation sale today so I bought a brand new SC-07 with full Pioneer warranty for $1100, what a steal wohoo!
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Well I'm now the proud owner of a SC-07!!

My local A/V store went bankrupt and had a liquidation sale today so I bought a brand new SC-07 with full Pioneer warranty for $1100, what a steal wohoo!

Thats great, congrats.

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Thanks, now I just need to figure out how to set everything up for the 5.1 surround and figure what to set everything at in the reciever. I'm a bit of a noobie at this new equipment.

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Thats great, congrats.

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Thanks, now I just need to figure out how to set everything up for the 5.1 surround and figure what to set everything at in the reciever. I'm a bit of a noobie at this new equipment.


Well, read the manual, take your time and know that we are here to help in case any issues arise.

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Great!!! I really appreciate it, I can use all the help I can get at least that's what the wife says...lol

Now if I could decide on some speakers that would compliment this fabulous reciever than I would be set!
Any ideas?
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I'm going to put up my beloved SC-07 for sale... only for financial reasons.. it will be missed.

If anyone in the thread is interested, please send me a PM.. It will go on the AVS classifieds later today.
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I'm going to put up my beloved SC-07 for sale... only for financial reasons.. it will be missed.

If anyone in the thread is interested, please send me a PM.. It will go on the AVS classifieds later today.

Sorry to hear FilmMixer, good luck with the sale.

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Sorry to hear this, FilmMixer.
Hope everything works out for you.
And hope you are going to continue with your fantastic valuable contributions here on the forum. Your views are ALWAYS welcome and immensely informative.
Best of luck

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Hi
I have a question. Yesterday i was watching 3:10 to yuma on my blu-ray player elite 05 and elite 07 receiver , and on my 07 receiver it says pcm while playing 3:10 to yuma on blu-ray
I have everything set on auto what does pcm means , Was that the best way to watch the movie i believe the move has 7.1 audio and i do have 7.1 set up
Thanks for the reply in advance
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Hi
I have a question. Yesterday i was watching 3:10 to yuma on my blu-ray player elite 05 and elite 07 receiver , and on my 07 receiver it says pcm while playing 3:10 to yuma on blu-ray
I have everything set on auto what does pcm means , Was that the best way to watch the movie i believe the move has 7.1 audio and i do have 7.1 set up
Thanks for the reply in advance

PCM is the uncompressed format of consumer digital audio.. it is a copy of the master.

PCM stands for Pulse Code Modulation, BTW.

It is what you want from titles that include it..

Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA are lossless encodes of the original PCM masters.
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Well I'm now the proud owner of a SC-07!!

My local A/V store went bankrupt and had a liquidation sale today so I bought a brand new SC-07 with full Pioneer warranty for $1100, what a steal wohoo!

where do you live, I am just about to mail a check for an 05 for about that much!
send me a pm pls.
thanks

is there a difference in the processing in the THX ultra 2 vs THX select 2 modes in the 05/07 rcvrs?
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is there a difference in the processing in the THX ultra 2 vs THX select 2 modes in the 05/07 rcvrs?


Ultra 2 plus and Select 2 plus are basically performance certifications based on room size..

"THX has established performance categories based on the size of specific listening areas. For example, a THX Select2 Certified AV receiver is engineered for rooms with a viewing distance* of approximately 10 – 12 feet from the display to the primary seating position. By contrast, THX Ultra2 Certified products are engineered for rooms with a viewing distance of 12 feet and beyond"
http://www.thx.com/products/home/logos/index.html

Note: This doesn't mean the SC-05 isn't as capable as ULTRA 2, only that Pioneer had it certified as Select2 Plus and the SC-07 as ULTRA 2 Plus

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If I buy an 07 or 05 and use hdmi to hook up my pio elite 59dvi player, will I have better sound and picture than I have through my 56txi with ilink?
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If I buy an 07 or 05 and use hdmi to hook up my pio elite 59dvi player, will I have better sound and picture than I have through my 56txi with ilink?

firebrick,

The 59avi doesn't pass audio via HDMI.
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Ultra 2 plus and Select 2 plus are basically performance certifications based on room size..

"THX has established performance categories based on the size of specific listening areas. For example, a THX Select2 Certified AV receiver is engineered for rooms with a viewing distance* of approximately 10 - 12 feet from the display to the primary seating position. By contrast, THX Ultra2 Certified products are engineered for rooms with a viewing distance of 12 feet and beyond"
http://www.thx.com/products/home/logos/index.html

Note: This doesn't mean the SC-05 isn't as capable as ULTRA 2, only that Pioneer had it certified as Select2 Plus and the SC-07 as ULTRA 2 Plus

This makes sense, the only limiting factor that I could think of that would make a difference is the power output, ability to generate a certain spl in a certain size space? I know that in my 2500 cu ft I wont hear a difference between 140 and 130 watts(in the case of the SC-07/05) anyway as long as there are no processing differences. Am I missing anything here?

Anyway I just ordered an SC-05. I was tempted by the 07, but I dont need the extra connections.

I cant wait to get it!
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firebrick,

The 59avi doesn't pass audio via HDMI.

Ok i could use analog inputs for sound right?
Will the picture just be the same since it doesnt upconvert? or will it be better since it will be hdmi and not component? What if I have to run component to my display, will I have problems there?
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Ok i could use analog inputs for sound right?
Will the picture just be the same since it doesnt upconvert? or will it be better since it will be hdmi and not component? What if I have to run component to my display, will I have problems there?

I can't give you specific answers but I'll try. I own the 59avi but I don't own these receivers. I'm considering them and have been lurking here.

The 59avi is limited to 480P via component and upconverts up to 1080i via HDMI. You'll have to try all your options and decide which one looks best. I can tell you that while the 59avi's upconversion was considered very good a $100 player can do better now (the ones with the Mediatek chip for example) at upconverting. If you want to try your display's upconversion I would still connect the 59 via HDMI and set its output at 480i (if the display supports it) or 480p and let the display upconvert it to 1080p and then set the 59 to 1080i and do your comparisons.

Yes, you could use analogs for sound. The analog section of the 59avi is very good.
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I just encountered another weird issue with my sc05 HMG. WMA files that used to work no longer work on the HMG. The error I get is "File Format Error" when playing a song. The only thing I changed was adding more tracks to my library. I browse early discussions and it seems there is a limit before HMG becomes useless? Also some songs do work and even if they were newly added. Just odd.
Can someone confirm this so I can send Pio my issue.

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s-one,

Same issue with me. I started out using HMG to play WMA files on a vista pc but one day it stopped connecting.

I called pio tech, ran thru the usual procedures (enable media sharing...), asked about know limitations, and finally after lots of prodding he said something about 2000 maximum files in a folder and 12 folders deep.

I guess if it uses the windows media player database, sorts by song, the 5000+ songs definately surpasses the limitation. I tried moving all the songs except one and clearing the windows media player library but still no luck.

Tech support did suggest something that I am currently unwilling to try... reset the sc-05.

For now I connect an ipod nano with apple lossless encoded files.

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I can't give you specific answers but I'll try. I own the 59avi but I don't own these receivers. I'm considering them and have been lurking here.

The 59avi is limited to 480P via component and upconverts up to 1080i via HDMI. You'll have to try all your options and decide which one looks best. I can tell you that while the 59avi's upconversion was considered very good a $100 player can do better now (the ones with the Mediatek chip for example) at upconverting. If you want to try your display's upconversion I would still connect the 59 via HDMI and set its output at 480i (if the display supports it) or 480p and let the display upconvert it to 1080p and then set the 59 to 1080i and do your comparisons.

Yes, you could use analogs for sound. The analog section of the 59avi is very good.

Sounds like ill be looking for a high def player and keep the 59 for audio
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This makes sense, the only limiting factor that I could think of that would make a difference is the power output, ability to generate a certain spl in a certain size space? I know that in my 2500 cu ft I wont hear a difference between 140 and 130 watts(in the case of the SC-07/05) anyway as long as there are no processing differences. Am I missing anything here?

Anyway I just ordered an SC-05. I was tempted by the 07, but I dont need the extra connections.

I cant wait to get it!

Congratulations, rswelter.
Let us know what you think when you get it all connected.

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Anyone have any luck getting an ipod mini to work with the sc-07? I can't seem to get the HMG to recognize it.
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s-one,

Same issue with me. I started out using HMG to play WMA files on a vista pc but one day it stopped connecting.

I called pio tech, ran thru the usual procedures (enable media sharing...), asked about know limitations, and finally after lots of prodding he said something about 2000 maximum files in a folder and 12 folders deep.

I guess if it uses the windows media player database, sorts by song, the 5000+ songs definately surpasses the limitation. I tried moving all the songs except one and clearing the windows media player library but still no luck.

Tech support did suggest something that I am currently unwilling to try... reset the sc-05.

For now I connect an ipod nano with apple lossless encoded files.

Rowlf

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I found that engaging Full Band Phase Control made my system (SC-05) sound on the thin side. By switching off phase control completely, my system sounds very full, but without any flabby bass (probably because I run a REL sub).

You need to read my warning about using REL subs with this class D receiver...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1108268

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Thank you for the heads up, Thebarnman!
Good information (Rel was one of the subs I was looking at)...
I'll put a link to this in general information on the front page.

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Was wonder if anyone else had encounted the same problem I have encountered.


I posted this in a separate thread that I started back on 1/9/09.

***Purchased a new Pioneer Elite SC-07 back on Nov 28, as an early Christmas present for myself. It replaced a 6 year old Marantz that I had been using. I set it up the weekend I got it and everything worked great. The sound was AWESOME a BIG improvement over my 6 year old Marantz.

Wednesday(1/7) night we had a bad storm pull thru our area and my power was out for 3 1/2 hours. When the power finally did come back on I went to fire up my HT system and noticed the red light below the "Advanced MCACC" flashing, and the unit would not power up. I checked the owner's manual and it reads under the troubleshooting section:

Symptom: "The MCACC blinks and the power does not turn on"

Remedy: "The receiver may have a serious problem. Do not try switching the receiver on. Contact a Pioneer authorized independent service company for help."

So I called up Pioneer and got the local authorized reps address and took my receiver to him.


Now I have ALL my HT equipment plugged into a Belkin Pure AV PF60 Power Console and that is plugged into a Belkin 1500VA/800W Battery Backup Tower which is plugged into the wall. Is it possible that an electrical surge could have made it thru both of these pieces of equipment and kill my receiver??? The area I live in is notorious for brown outs and power outages so that's why I have all that equipment. What I don't understand is my Marantz was subjected to this many times over the 6 years I had it and never suffered any type of problem from the brown outs or power outages. But after only 40 day of using my SC-07 Elite the first power outage kills it!? Man that worries me. Anyone else have anything like this happen to their Pioneer receiver?

I'm wondering if Pioneer is even going to warranty it. Their warranty states will not cover damage due to lightning or power surges"***


Today I FINALLY got a call from the repair shop. The ICE amps were toasted!! They also had just gotten in an SC-05 with the flashing "Advanced MCACC" light and it turned out to be the same thing, toasted ICE amps. The tech said that the conditions were similar to mine, that the power went out and when it come back on the receiver wouldn't power back up. New amps have been ordered for both of our receivers but he said he doesn't know when they will be shipped. THIS SUCKS!!!


Here's a link to the thread. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1106651

Just wondering if anybody else has had this happen to their receiver..
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Was wonder if anyone else had encounted the same problem I have encountered.


I posted this in a separate thread that I started back on 1/9/09.

***Purchased a new Pioneer Elite SC-07 back on Nov 28, as an early Christmas present for myself. It replaced a 6 year old Marantz that I had been using. I set it up the weekend I got it and everything worked great. The sound was AWESOME a BIG improvement over my 6 year old Marantz.

Wednesday(1/7) night we had a bad storm pull thru our area and my power was out for 3 1/2 hours. When the power finally did come back on I went to fire up my HT system and noticed the red light below the "Advanced MCACC" flashing, and the unit would not power up. I checked the owner's manual and it reads under the troubleshooting section:

Symptom: "The MCACC blinks and the power does not turn on"

Remedy: "The receiver may have a serious problem. Do not try switching the receiver on. Contact a Pioneer authorized independent service company for help."

So I called up Pioneer and got the local authorized reps address and took my receiver to him.


Now I have ALL my HT equipment plugged into a Belkin Pure AV PF60 Power Console and that is plugged into a Belkin 1500VA/800W Battery Backup Tower which is plugged into the wall. Is it possible that an electrical surge could have made it thru both of these pieces of equipment and kill my receiver??? The area I live in is notorious for brown outs and power outages so that's why I have all that equipment. What I don't understand is my Marantz was subjected to this many times over the 6 years I had it and never suffered any type of problem from the brown outs or power outages. But after only 40 day of using my SC-07 Elite the first power outage kills it!? Man that worries me. Anyone else have anything like this happen to their Pioneer receiver?

I'm wondering if Pioneer is even going to warranty it. Their warranty states will not cover damage due to lightning or power surges"***


Today I FINALLY got a call from the repair shop. The ICE amps were toasted!! They also had just gotten in an SC-05 with the flashing "Advanced MCACC" light and it turned out to be the same thing, toasted ICE amps. The tech said that the conditions were similar to mine, that the power went out and when it come back on the receiver wouldn't power back up. New amps have been ordered for both of our receivers but he said he doesn't know when they will be shipped. THIS SUCKS!!!


Here's a link to the thread. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1106651

Just wondering if anybody else has had this happen to their receiver..

Although I've never dealt with Belkin products before, I was fairly certain that they would adhere to the same standard as other Power Conditioners with respect to how they are plugged in and operated and sure enough here is a section right from the product manual for the FP60:

WARNING - Grounding and Polarization
This product must be plugged directly into a grounded AC power outlet (3-
prong). Do not use a 3-to-2-prong adapter to defeat the grounding pin. Do
not plug or daisy-chain this product into other electrical products such as
surge protectors, power strips, or UPSes.
Do not plug this product into an
extension cord. Failure to plug this product directly into a grounded outlet
may result in personal injury or damage to your equipment. Call a licensed
electrician if you are unsure if your AC outlets are properly grounded.

Unfortunately when you start to go beyond the scope of how a product was developed (by adding a UPS in between) you change the "How could it get through both devices" factor, as getting through both devices should never occur. Having that variable could possibly have rendered each of their protections counter intuitive to the other's protection... not sure, i just know how much my old boss used to instill power protection and adhering to a few rules that he had learned in his 30+ year career in A/V both commercial and residential...

I feel for your loss... hopefully pioneer can fix it free of charge and you get your baby back...

RPT
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^^^ APC makes a point of telling users not to cascade products. In the case of surge protection, they say there is no additive effect, only one prevails.

Still, the UPS's surge protector should have clamped down and kept the surge from getting past it, so I'm not sure that's the issue here. Sounds like it could be a design anomaly of some sort, as it affected two units. It doesn't seem to be widespread, though, or we would be hearing about all over these forums.

It will be interesting to hear if Pioneer balks at warranty coverage. (I doubt that they will.)
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................. If calibrating with your 49Txi mic helps a lot, I'll try to rent it from you and buy an 07. If is does the trick, you might be renting that thing out a LOT.

Ok, here's a quick report. I ran an automatic calibration today (in the exact same manner as my previous calibration) but using the 49TXi mic. Reviewing the channel levels after the calibration, 5 channels were set 3db higher than they had been in the prior calibration (with the SC07 mic) and 2 channels were set 2.5db higher. Obviously this results in a substantially louder sound. The other item I looked at was the EQ levels. There were a lot more comparisons to be made here, and I didn't take time to review all of them (yet). I noticed differences in almost every frequency band for each of the channels I looked at (FL & C). The greatest difference I noticed was a +4db at 16khz. Typically the differences were more in the range of .5db to 1.5db. The 49TXi mic also set the level of my subwoofer 2db higher than the SC07 mic. This 2db happens to be the exact amount I added to the SC07 mic's calibration in the past to add more bass to CD sound to make it more to my liking.

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That is all interesting. Thanks for running it and reporting. Now, does it sound better this way and does it cure the "lack of fullness" you originally reported? That is my central question.

Naive question, but you could have manually made all the adjustments the 49TXi mike caused, right? Still, interesting to see the numbers that the different mic produces.

Someone in Oregon is offering two VSX-84Txsi's at $575 each and says they are in very good condition. It's on the used equipment section here in avs forum. I'd feel more like jumping at it if it were on ebay and the seller had a long and excellent record. Am I right to be cautious? The vsx-84txi apparently had HDMI version 1.0 or something lower than 1.3a, and I wonder if that would cause problems if one were using the new Oppo BR player with an HDMI cable. Apparently it sold for $1500 when new, so it's not like the mighty 59.

AWFULLY vexing trying to decide on a new receiver. The only thing lacking on the Marantz SR8002 is a phono pre-amp and that's easy to attach, I guess. Someone posted a dealer with a new 59 for $2,999. One wonders why they let it sit around and depreciate so much in value, if it is truly new and factory sealed.

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Ok, here's a quick report. I ran an automatic calibration today (in the exact same manner as my previous calibration) but using the 49TXi mic. Reviewing the channel levels after the calibration, 5 channels were set 3db higher than they had been in the prior calibration (with the SC07 mic) and 2 channels were set 2.5db higher. Obviously this results in a substantially louder sound. The other item I looked at was the EQ levels. There were a lot more comparisons to be made here, and I didn't take time to review all of them (yet). I noticed differences in almost every frequency band for each of the channels I looked at (FL & C). The greatest difference I noticed was a +4db at 16khz. Typically the differences were more in the range of .5db to 1.5db. The 49TXi mic also set the level of my subwoofer 2db higher than the SC07 mic. This 2db happens to be the exact amount I added to the SC07 mic's calibration in the past to add more bass to CD sound to make it more to my liking.

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Ok, here's a quick report. I ran an automatic calibration today (in the exact same manner as my previous calibration) but using the 49TXi mic. Reviewing the channel levels after the calibration, 5 channels were set 3db higher than they had been in the prior calibration (with the SC07 mic) and 2 channels were set 2.5db higher. Obviously this results in a substantially louder sound. The other item I looked at was the EQ levels. There were a lot more comparisons to be made here, and I didn't take time to review all of them (yet). I noticed differences in almost every frequency band for each of the channels I looked at (FL & C). The greatest difference I noticed was a +4db at 16khz. Typically the differences were more in the range of .5db to 1.5db. The 49TXi mic also set the level of my subwoofer 2db higher than the SC07 mic. This 2db happens to be the exact amount I added to the SC07 mic's calibration in the past to add more bass to CD sound to make it more to my liking.

More later, but don't hold your breath..............

The 49 mic added 4db to 16khz?

Also, try running again w/ factory mic. It may vary, too!


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