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flashing red MCACC light amp error

Had this happen to me on a barely 3 month old sc-07 and after reading all the posts in the forum on the issue was a bit dismayed on the way to resolve it by sending it in for service...

so after some research and digging into the issue the error is from a failure in the amp block or high DC output is detected during a power-on sequence after high DC output was once detected, "AMP ERR" appears on the display and the MCACC light starts flashing and the receiver's shutdown process will start

use at your own risk, as i am not a qualified/trained service tech, nor do i pretend to be one, but information wants to be free... this may or may not work in all situations and may even damage the components further... may void your warranty in addition to any other legal disclaimer that may apply here...

you can "release" the error by pressing the "down arrow" and the "zone 2 on/off" for 2 seconds

if the error comes back then more than likely the amp block has failed and it will need to be replaced/serviced.

with my issue the release corrected the issue and amp started up fine. again, one's own mileage may vary and may damage the components further. It is a protection circuit after all.

there's also a way to see how many protection events have happened for the various components in the service menu so its possible to see where the larger issue may be. havent had a chance to dig into yet. but there are counts for DC, temp and power supply events to aid in diagnosing problems by a trained professional...
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This was my solution:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post14513017
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post14514005

Worked great for me.
Component offered more versatility and no degradation in picture quality with the sat/box

Thanks. I cheated and stuck with the SR+ cable (to see surround mode + volume OSD) and a Harmony One.
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Thanks. I cheated and stuck with the SR+ cable (to see surround mode + volume OSD) and a Harmony One.

Actually, that's how I have it with my SC-09TX (SR+).. also in conjunction with the Harmony One.. works pretty good.
Great minds and all that

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figures that they would release their new receivers today, as i just got my new SC-05 that replaced my vsx82 that couldnt be repaired from a firmware upgrade. So far i love the SC-05, i only have it running in 5.1 mode with B&W DM600 series bookshelf speakers and a SVS 12" cylinder sub, Sharp 52" LCD, and PS3. Thanks for all the info found in this thread.
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butcherboy78;
No worries, I don't expect we'll actually see one until around Nov '09/Jan '10..
The SC-05/07 was press released in March '08 and wasn't available until August '08, 5 to 6 months later.

Your SC-05 is one heck of a receiver!

I don't see anything other than Rhapsody and Multi-Channel PQLS (which would still require a Multi-Channel PQLS Blu-ray player to function.

Enjoy and let us know your impressions!

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And with the price at which the SC05's are going for now, I'm assuming they'll be nowhere near the price of the new receivers. That, coupled with the long wait time, I don't think it makes much sense to wait for the new ones, unless you are rich and really need those additional features.
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Reported instances:
aseer had an issue where it would start and then shut down..
a "hum" while running MCACC appeared to be associated with it.
It was replaced and as far as I know, there haven't been any problems.. (will modify when aseer confirms status)

Ray, who owns an independent custom A/V install company for last 18 years or so and pro audio before that says humming may indicate a problem:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...65post16317065
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post16316912

In a attempt to offer information I'll include this:

One member, dm233 who had the MCACC LED flashing problem,
Posted a fix (UNVERIFIED) in another thread...
Use caution when attempting this and perform at your own risk:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post16747267

Updates: last updated 7/14/09

Resetting your SC-05/07 - USE CAUTION

Code:
flashing red MCACC light amp error

Had this happen to me on a barely 3 month old sc-07 and after reading all
 the posts in the forum on the issue was a bit dismayed on the way to 
resolve it by sending it in for service... 

so after some research and digging into the issue the error is from a failure
 in the amp block or high DC output is detected during a power-on 
sequence after high DC output was once detected, "AMP ERR" appears 
on the display and the MCACC light starts flashing and the receiver's
 shutdown process will start

use at your own risk, as i am not a qualified/trained service tech, nor do i 
pretend to be one, but information wants to be free... this may or may not 
work in all situations and may even damage the components further... 
may void your warranty in addition to any other legal disclaimer that may
 apply here...

you can "release" the error by pressing the "down arrow" and the "zone 2 
on/off" for 2 seconds

if the error comes back then more than likely the amp block has failed 
and it will need to be replaced/serviced.

with my issue the release corrected the issue and amp started up fine. 
again, one's own mileage may vary and may damage the components 
further. It is a protection circuit after all.

there's also a way to see how many protection events have happened for
 the various components in the service menu so its possible to see 
where the larger issue may be. havent had a chance to dig into yet.
 but there are counts for DC, temp and power supply events to aid 
in diagnosing problems by a trained professional...
Procedure for resetting is linked here- thanks dm233!

dm233 also posted this here where he indicates it fixed his problem.
Thanks for sharing dm233
MrMcGoo used this procedure and it worked for him see here
It worked for bdbaba Problem outcome
Worked for Timbak2
(Cautionary Warning still applies)

Again, if I left anybody out, please let me know.

If you use this, please let us know the results to help others.
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SERVICE MODE by dm233

original link here

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service Mode
k.. heres the breakdown on service mode. usual caveats about screwing 
with service settings and messing around with bits and pieces not 
understood can lead to damaging components, voiding warranties and 
bricking a great piece of gear... that being said, i'm not a trained/qualified 
service tech but information is meant to be free... and in this case rather 
uneventful... 

first theres not a lot of info in the service mode. if you think your gonna be 
able to tweak a bunch of settings to drive up the receiver performance you'll 
be disappointed (unless you can reverse engineer DSP firmware across 
multiple ICs)

to get into service mode (tested and verified on sc-07 not sure bout sc-05
 but should be bout the same architecture and platform)

turn off any multizone and lower the master volume all the way down (---db)
 then power off.
from here on all actions should be done from the front panel

when in standby, press and hold the "enter" key and "multizone on\\off" for
 about 5 sec or so. the receiver will power up and the lcd display will be 
blank. release the keys and the display should be in the first section in 
service mode

general service mode notes
exit service mode - press power button or the return key
the ere are no pretty menus or headings, it's all pretty basic
if there are no key press within 10s then receiver will return to normal mode.

service mode sections - there are 3
1- version (various reports on software/hardware and firmware versions)
2- protect (various reports of DC events)
3- download (upgrade firmware and software components)

navigating through the menus (using the direction pad on the front)

moving from one section to a next is done by hitting either the left or right 
arrow. the top item in a section will be displayed.

move through a section with either the up or down arrow (the sections are
 linked and can use the up and down arrows to go through every item)

Version section - item | on front disp (results may vary) | explanation 
1/4 MAIN/EVENT microcomputer | M1.000 E1.000 | M#.### = MAIN E#.### = EVENT
 (will also be the first item seen on the front display when entering service 
mode)
2/4 DISPLAY (EMMA) microcomputer | DISP 1.000 | DISP#.### = DISPLAY microcomputer
3/4 DSP/HDMI microcomputer | D1.000 H1.000 | D#.### = DSP H#.### = HDMI
4/4 1ST DSP/2ND DSP FIRMWARE | f1.000 s1.000 | f#.### = 1ST DSP s#.### = 2ND DSP

protect section - item | on front disp (varies) 
1/11 # of times DC is detected | DC : 000 
2/11 # of times OVERLOAD is detected | OVER: 000
3/11 # of times COMBINATION is detected (simultaneous detection of both 
DC and OVERLOAD) | CON : 000 
4/11 # of times FAN error detected | FAN : 000
5/11 # of times OVERHEAT is detected | TEMP1 : 000
6/11 # of times abnormal temp is detected | TEMP2 : 000
7/11 # of times abnormal temp at PowerAmp supply detected | BTMP : 000
8/11 # of times defect at PowerAmp supply detected | BERR : 001 
9/11 RESET error counters | RESET  | RESETS all the error counters
use left and right arrows to change option -  = no changes - 
 = resets counters | "enter" to select front disp will read RESET 
[RESET] when completed and will exit to normal operating mode 
10/11 show accumulated time and RESET | 12345h30m
use left and right arrows to change option -  = no changes -  = 
resets time count | "enter" to select front disp will read 0h om  SSP<600ms> | has to do with the error control on HDMI (??) timing 
can be changed. (need an HDMI spec expert to weigh in)

download section
basically all the microprocessors can be updated from this page. 
Process uses a crossover cable to the rs-232c port. need a few 
versions of UFU (unified firmware updater) for the various chips.
 not much here unless someone reverse engineers the pioneer parts ala
 CHDK... so unless some gets their hands on official firmware it pretty 
much SOL... the freescale procs maybe a different story, though 
some challenges there are made for a different forum...

item | part | manufacturer (not verified)
1/7 MAIN | PEG489B8 | pioneer
2/7 EVENT | PDC179A8 | pioneer
3/7 DISP | UPD61111GM-100UEVA | pioneer
4/7 DSP | PEG396A | pioneer
5/7 HDMI | PEG118A | pioneer
6/7 1st DSP | DSPA56720AG | freescale
7/7 2nd DSP | DSPC56371AF180 | freescale

firmware extensions - *.mot and *.sz0 (the *.bcd extension in the HMG 
update is a bit different. would need some more info to understand its
 relationship to the rest of the components but it looks like only *.bcd files 
can only update network related components, hence the HMG update.) on 
the surface the other firmware needs to be updated through the serial port 
on the back. would need to dig a bit to get a clearer picture, but on face
 value its not a good use of time. sometimes its best to turn off the hacking 
thoughts and enjoy the shiny toys and use them for what they were built 
for...

summary...
not much to see here, a fairly standard and uneventful service menu, like 
most modern pioneer gear is mostly software based and 
designed\\manufactured in house. though it may be possible to cross purpose
firmware from other models its not recommended since everything else in 
the processor chain would probably need to be aligned or there would be 
some stability issues. then there's a lack of average consumer access to any
 code as well as any sort of TEST/QA environment. way too much effort for 
not a lot of gain and a sure way to void any warranty. pioneer has a whole 
army dedicated to write,test and validate new code, but what a nice shinny 
new brick you got there!!

remember that even though this information is out doesnt mean that one 
should use it if one doesnt know what they're doing. also i'll bet dollar$ to 
donuts that if one calls pioneer service and after a blank conversation with 
fairly unqualified 1st tier support, they will probably not give you any 
firmware to upgrade your receiver and tell you to take it to a service center 
if its that important to ya and you value warranty coverage otherwise most 
warranties would be void if you do any firmware upgrades yourself. best to 
leave the real service work to the pros who are trained and qualified if you 
can about your warranty and gear. AGAIN, THIS IS FOR INFORMATIONAL 
PURPOSES... USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!

enjoy...
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..........................................with my issue the release corrected the issue and amp started up fine. again, one's own mileage may vary and may damage the components further. It is a protection circuit after all.

there's also a way to see how many protection events have happened for the various components in the service menu so its possible to see where the larger issue may be. havent had a chance to dig into yet. but there are counts for DC, temp and power supply events to aid in diagnosing problems by a trained professional...

Thanks for sharing this dm233!
Any other secrets you can find out/dig out or force out are greatly appreciated!!

Edit:
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Was this reset procedure given to you by Pioneer in an attempt to fix your issue?

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I purchased and set up the Harmony 620 remote for my SC-05 and components.

I liked the 620 best of all their remotes after looking at them in person. It's basically a 670 only all-black. I also liked the appearance and layouf of the ONE but when I held it, it felt very greasy in my hands and also looked slimey with fingerprints all over. Ew! Plus I prefer having actual buttons for the LCD instead of a touch screen. So far I love the 620 and found it pretty easy to set up. Worked with all the gear I have hooked up to it including PS3 with adapter, AppleTV, SA-8300-HD, Xbox360 and of course the SC-05. Had to manually teach it the "Return" button in RAW mode so I could navigate menus's correctly, but everything else worked automatically.

I was looking at getting this remote too until I seen that it uses regular alkalines and eats them like candy.


Personally, I just can't see how Multi-Channel PQLS will make a difference enough on the higher resolution formats (5.1/7.1, etc) to justify the cost of the new over the current SC series AVRs.

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Personally, I just can't see how Multi-Channel PQLS will make a difference enough on the higher resolution formats (5.1/7.1, etc) to justify the cost of the new over the current SC series AVRs.

I agree, but still interested/curious in hearing them
Besides, you may not have a choice soon...

A lot of people are saying the SC-05 and SC-07s are becoming more difficult to find.. (especially at the prices they have been going for)...

When the SC-05 and SC-07s were released, there were still quite a few VSX-92/94TXHs around.. that doesn't apprear to be the same case this time around....

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Owner's manuals for the SC-25 and SC-27 are available...
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/St...ctions0421.pdf
this is wierd, Pioneer seems to really be on ball getting info out quickly...

There's also a pdf for HMG updating:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ep...STRUCTIONS.pdf

They mention a SC-9540 but can't find anything about it other then it's Energy Efficiently data:
http://www.greenefficientguide.com/d...-9540/item/727
and here:
http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?...num=1&letter=P
but that gives a DVD listing as well, so I THINK the SC-9540 is gonna be Pioneer's Home Theater all in one system...

Should be an interesting year

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I take back what I said earlier....

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................................... I don't expect we'll actually see one until around Nov '09/Jan '10..
The SC-05/07 was press released in March '08 and wasn't available until August '08, 5 to 6 months later.
....................................

"The Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH and VSX-23TXH will begin shipping in July 2009 for the suggested retail prices of $700 and $900, respectively. Pioneer's Elite SC-25TXH and SC-27 are shipping in August 2009 with the suggested retail prices of $1700 and $2000, respectively."
according to the press release..
Remains to be seen, but that would explain why they're rushing to get the info on the website asap...

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I take back what I said earlier....



"The Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH and VSX-23TXH will begin shipping in July 2009 for the suggested retail prices of $700 and $900, respectively. Pioneer's Elite SC-25TXH and SC-27 are shipping in August 2009 with the suggested retail prices of $1700 and $2000, respectively."
according to the press release..
Remains to be seen, but that would explain why they're rushing to get the info on the website asap...

Looks like all the new Elites, with the exception of the VSX-21TXH, will have 2 HDMI outs.
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Looks like they added another HDMI to the front as well:

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And this should make Gov happy:
Page 21:
21 AC power inlet

Connect the supplied power cord here.
 See Plugging in the receiver on page 44.

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I recently upgraded from an old Yamaha receiver to a Pioneer Elite SC-05 to drive my Definitive 5.1 setup. I went with the SC-05 instead of the -07 because I didn't need the extra video out or extra zone and it seemed like those were the main two reasons to do so. I'm really excited to hear how my speakers sound with this great receiver that I bought based upon the wonderful information I read on this thread.

I've been reading a lot of the Definitive and Pio SC-05 threads over the past week to learn everything I can about the combination of the two, but I have one question I haven't seen addressed. When using MCACC for setup, how do I handle the built in subs in my Definitive towers?

I'm planning to set the speakers to large and run them that way with speaker wire connections (i.e. not splitting the LFE out from the receiver to make the connection). I'm still deciding if I will use a stand alone sub in conjunction with the built-in subs or just the built-in subs. If I do use a standalone sub, I will set the low frequency bandwidth to go to both the stand alone sub and to the "large" speakers.

I know that with a standalone sub MCACC will tell you to manually turn up or down the volume on the sub since it can't control it directly. However, the receiver doesn't know that the mains also have a powered sub so I would expect it to try to make any EQ corrections to the low frequency range for room effects and standing waves via the amplified signal it sends to the towers. Of course the real volume/amplification control is via the knob on the back for the low frequency range. Since I know that many of the people on this thread have used the MCACC setup with their Definitives, I'd like to know how you made modifications to the built-in sub volume based on the MCACC results? Did you just look at what EQ modifications it made to the low frequency range on each of your towers and then make a guess as to how much to adjust the sub accordingly (i.e. if gain increase the sub volume or vice versa) and then re-run the tests until it looked flat or some other way?

I've posted a similar message in the Definitive owner's thread, but thought I'd post it here as well in case there were some people who might have the answer but don't read that thread.

Thanks in advance for your help!
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Rotag_FU,

Congratulations and welcome to the ICE Club!

MacFan wrote up a good piece here regarding your question:
 
-How do I hook up my Definitive Mythos to the SC/05/07/09? MacFan424
(Linked on first page)

And I'm sure he and others can answer specific questions you might have. Good luck!
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post16510820

Please let us know your impressions!

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I recently upgraded from an old Yamaha receiver to a Pioneer Elite SC-05 to drive my Definitive 5.1 setup. I went with the SC-05 instead of the -07 because I didn't need the extra video out or extra zone and it seemed like those were the main two reasons to do so. I'm really excited to hear how my speakers sound with this great receiver that I bought based upon the wonderful information I read on this thread.

I've been reading a lot of the Definitive and Pio SC-05 threads over the past week to learn everything I can about the combination of the two, but I have one question I haven't seen addressed. When using MCACC for setup, how do I handle the built in subs in my Definitive towers?

I'm planning to set the speakers to large and run them that way with speaker wire connections (i.e. not splitting the LFE out from the receiver to make the connection). I'm still deciding if I will use a stand alone sub in conjunction with the built-in subs or just the built-in subs. If I do use a standalone sub, I will set the low frequency bandwidth to go to both the stand alone sub and to the "large" speakers.

I know that with a standalone sub MCACC will tell you to manually turn up or down the volume on the sub since it can't control it directly. However, the receiver doesn't know that the mains also have a powered sub so I would expect it to try to make any EQ corrections to the low frequency range for room effects and standing waves via the amplified signal it sends to the towers. Of course the real volume/amplification control is via the knob on the back for the low frequency range. Since I know that many of the people on this thread have used the MCACC setup with their Definitives, I'd like to know how you made modifications to the built-in sub volume based on the MCACC results? Did you just look at what EQ modifications it made to the low frequency range on each of your towers and then make a guess as to how much to adjust the sub accordingly (i.e. if gain increase the sub volume or vice versa) and then re-run the tests until it looked flat or some other way?

I've posted a similar message in the Definitive owner's thread, but thought I'd post it here as well in case there were some people who might have the answer but don't read that thread.

Thanks in advance for your help!

Run speaker wire and a LFE to each tower "Y" ing out the output. This is the proper way to use Def Tech Towers. They sound there best this way. MCACC will handle everything else.

On a side note , Def Tech and ICE Elite's sound amazing together.Such a killer combo. I have been extremely happy with every single Install I do with the 2.

Nice system man, give me a run down of your setup.

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A lot of people are saying the SC-05 and SC-07s are becoming more difficult to find.. (especially at the prices they have been going for)...

I can vouch for that.

The only sub-$1K units I could find were from gray market dealers whose fine print wouldn't pass the smell test.

Happily, today I found a factory refurbed/waranteed SC07 in that price range, but refurbs are VERY hard to find as well.
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Rotag_FU,

Congratulations and welcome to the ICE Club!

MacFan wrote up a good piece here regarding your question:
 
-How do I hook up my Definitive Mythos to the SC/05/07/09? MacFan424
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And I'm sure he and others can answer specific questions you might have. Good luck!
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post16510820

Please let us know your impressions!

Thanks for the links! I've actually read these, and they are great for knowing how to set up the definitive, but they state that nothing needs to be done after MCACC when using the speaker wire connection. I just don't understand how that would work since I'm likely going to need to adjust the volume of the built-in sub after the MCACC run since it can't control the level coming out of the Definitives. On the other hand, maybe I'm just completely mistaken/confused.
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I can vouch for that.

The only sub-$1K units I could find were from gray market dealers whose fine print wouldn't pass the smell test.

Happily, today I found a factory refurbed/waranteed SC07 in that price range, but refurbs are VERY hard to find as well.

Congratulations and welcome to the ICE Club, bgee!

Please let us know what your impressions are!

If you don't mind answering, where did you find a refurb unit? From an installer?

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Thanks for the links! I've actually read these, and they are great for knowing how to set up the definitive, but they state that nothing needs to be done after MCACC when using the speaker wire connection. I just don't understand how that would work since I'm likely going to need to adjust the volume of the built-in sub after the MCACC run since it can't control the level coming out of the Definitives. On the other hand, maybe I'm just completely mistaken/confused.

You should adjust the volume of the built-in amp first, before running MCACC. It's best done with test tones and a SPL meter, but you can try to do it by ear.

If doing it without a SPL meter, start with DefTech's recommended settings for the amp. Using its own EQ, MCACC will adjust your setting to flat, providing it is reasonably close to begin with. You may have to rerun MCACC a couple of times to get it right. Most of us set bass much too high without instruments, so if MCACC keeps adjusting its 63Hz band by too much, turn up the amps a notch and try again until the MCACC 63Hz band is closer to 0.

The amp settings are room and placement dependent, so you may also find that each of the two amps needs a different setting.
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Rotag_FU,
You might want to shoot a PM to Mcfan424...

He's pretty much one of the leading experts on MCACC and Subwoofers and Definitive speakers....
Good luck!!

edit: and quick at responding too!

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In my case, with Blu-ray source connected to HDMI, I initially tweaked the delay manually, but then I found the "A.delay" (auto-delay) parameter, turned it "ON" and never looked back (p.97 of manual).

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Really???

I shall try this TONITE!!!

Anyone able to help on my HMG problem a few posts back?

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Congratulations and welcome to the ICE Club, bgee!

Please let us know what your impressions are!

If you don't mind answering, where did you find a refurb unit? From an installer?

Thanks!

I actually have a few pre-impressions because I seriously auditioned an SC05 teamed with some excellent LSA speakers at the local hi-end dealer. IMHO the SC05's audio stages seemed utterly transparent, never strained in the least, and presented a solid sound stage. I was also impressed with the ability to read various audio media formats through the USB port - I specifically prepared a memory stick with some high res recordings that many Windows media players couldn't handle and the SC05 passed with flying colors.

I found the refurb unit at a PE authorized dealer who listed it on Amazon.com but they're gone now.
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service Mode
k.. heres the breakdown on service mode. usual caveats about screwing with service settings and messing around with bits and pieces not understood can lead to damaging components, voiding warranties and bricking a great piece of gear... that being said, i'm not a trained/qualified service tech but information is meant to be free... and in this case rather uneventful...

first theres not a lot of info in the service mode. if you think your gonna be able to tweak a bunch of settings to drive up the receiver performance you'll be disappointed (unless you can reverse engineer DSP firmware across multiple ICs)

to get into service mode (tested and verified on sc-07 not sure bout sc-05 but should be bout the same architecture and platform)

turn off any multizone and lower the master volume all the way down (---db) then power off.
from here on all actions should be done from the front panel
when in standby, press and hold the "enter" key and "multizone on\\off" for about 5 sec or so. the receiver will power up and the lcd display will be blank. release the keys and the display should be in the first section in service mode

general service mode notes
exit service mode - press power button or the return key
the ere are no pretty menus or headings, it's all pretty basic
if there are no key press within 10s then receiver will return to normal mode.


service mode sections - there are 3
1- version (various reports on software/hardware and firmware versions)
2- protect (various reports of DC events)
3- download (upgrade firmware and software components)

navigating through the menus (using the direction pad on the front)
moving from one section to a next is done by hitting either the left or right arrow. the top item in a section will be displayed.

move through a section with either the up or down arrow (the sections are linked and can use the up and down arrows to go through every item)

Version section - item | on front disp (results may vary) | explanation
1/4 MAIN/EVENT microcomputer | M1.000 E1.000 | M#.### = MAIN E#.### = EVENT (will also be the first item seen on the front display when entering service mode)
2/4 DISPLAY (EMMA) microcomputer | DISP 1.000 | DISP#.### = DISPLAY microcomputer
3/4 DSP/HDMI microcomputer | D1.000 H1.000 | D#.### = DSP H#.### = HDMI
4/4 1ST DSP/2ND DSP FIRMWARE | f1.000 s1.000 | f#.### = 1ST DSP s#.### = 2ND DSP

protect section - item | on front disp (varies)
1/11 # of times DC is detected | DC : 000
2/11 # of times OVERLOAD is detected | OVER: 000
3/11 # of times COMBINATION is detected (simultaneous detection of both DC and OVERLOAD) | CON : 000
4/11 # of times FAN error detected | FAN : 000
5/11 # of times OVERHEAT is detected | TEMP1 : 000
6/11 # of times abnormal temp is detected | TEMP2 : 000
7/11 # of times abnormal temp at PowerAmp supply detected | BTMP : 000
8/11 # of times defect at PowerAmp supply detected | BERR : 001
9/11 RESET error counters | RESET | RESETS all the error counters
use left and right arrows to change option - = no changes - = resets counters | "enter" to select front disp will read RESET [RESET] when completed and will exit to normal operating mode
10/11 show accumulated time and RESET | 12345h30m
use left and right arrows to change option - = no changes - = resets time count | "enter" to select front disp will read 0h om
11/11 Set timer of Exception "Set Stream Path" command on CEC Control | EX> SSP<600ms> | has to do with the error control on HDMI (??) timing can be changed. (need an HDMI spec expert to weigh in)

download section
basically all the microprocessors can be updated from this page. Process uses a crossover cable to the rs-232c port. need a few versions of UFU (unified firmware updater) for the various chips. not much here unless someone reverse engineers the pioneer parts ala CHDK... so unless some gets their hands on official firmware it pretty much SOL... the freescale procs maybe a different story, though some challenges there are made for a different forum...

item | part | manufacturer (not verified)
1/7 MAIN | PEG489B8 | pioneer
2/7 EVENT | PDC179A8 | pioneer
3/7 DISP | UPD61111GM-100UEVA | pioneer
4/7 DSP | PEG396A | pioneer
5/7 HDMI | PEG118A | pioneer
6/7 1st DSP | DSPA56720AG | freescale
7/7 2nd DSP | DSPC56371AF180 | freescale

firmware extensions - *.mot and *.sz0 (the *.bcd extension in the HMG update is a bit different. would need some more info to understand its relationship to the rest of the components but it looks like only *.bcd files can only update network related components, hence the HMG update.) on the surface the other firmware needs to be updated through the serial port on the back. would need to dig a bit to get a clearer picture, but on face value its not a good use of time. sometimes its best to turn off the hacking thoughts and enjoy the shiny toys and use them for what they were built for...

summary...
not much to see here, a fairly standard and uneventful service menu, like most modern pioneer gear is mostly software based and designed\\manufactured in house. though it may be possible to cross purpose firmware from other models its not recommended since everything else in the processor chain would probably need to be aligned or there would be some stability issues. then there's a lack of average consumer access to any code as well as any sort of TEST/QA environment. way too much effort for not a lot of gain and a sure way to void any warranty. pioneer has a whole army dedicated to write,test and validate new code, but what a nice shinny new brick you got there!!

remember that even though this information is out doesnt mean that one should use it if one doesnt know what they're doing. also i'll bet dollar$ to donuts that if one calls pioneer service and after a blank conversation with fairly unqualified 1st tier support, they will probably not give you any firmware to upgrade your receiver and tell you to take it to a service center if its that important to ya and you value warranty coverage otherwise most warranties would be void if you do any firmware upgrades yourself. best to leave the real service work to the pros who are trained and qualified if you can about your warranty and gear. AGAIN, THIS IS FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES... USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!
enjoy...
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Owner's manuals for the SC-25 and SC-27 are available...
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/St...ctions0421.pdf
this is wierd, Pioneer seems to really be on ball getting info out quickly...

There's also a pdf for HMG updating:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ep...STRUCTIONS.pdf

They mention a SC-9540 but can't find anything about it other then it's Energy Efficiently data:
http://www.greenefficientguide.com/d...-9540/item/727
and here:
http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?...num=1&letter=P
but that gives a DVD listing as well, so I THINK the SC-9540 is gonna be Pioneer's Home Theater all in one system...

Should be an interesting year

I wonder if the HMG firmware could be applied to our models to improve capabilities? Anyone thought about trying this?
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I wonder if the HMG firmware could be applied to our models to improve capabilities? Anyone thought about trying this?

Interesting question...I thought about this last night for us SC-09 owners since we don't have internet radio/FLAC.

The wisest thing to do would be don't

The problem is the FW code could be written for a specific processor in a particular model & if the models use different ones.......not good. I know the 09 has a shared processor (Freescale) with the 07/05 but the other 2 are different. Which one does which tasks is a big unknown to the casual owner.

I'd hate to have to take mine to a repair shop because it got bricked with the wrong FW

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I have a 7.1 set-up but do listen to CDs and will be using the BDP-23FD as the player. I wanted to get the best 2 channel calibration and was going to do a MCACC memory for it. But it seems if I do a Front Align it would leave my fronts alone and calibrate the rest to spec. Is that correct?

Correct, Front Align does not touch the front L/R speakers and "aligns" the remaining speakers to them.

I don't feel that it's worth it to do a distinct MCACC specifically for 2-channel sources, unless you want to hear them "differently" than multi-channel sources. Anyone have a different opinion?

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Well, just returned from BB, boy that Geek Squad Agent sure dislikes me at this moment. Last night I took detailed pics before packing into the box for my records. Today when I dropped the unit off to have it shipped out for repairs I made the little 110lb. soaking wet GS Agent inspect the unit while I was watching him, sure wish you guys could have seen him trying to just get it out of the box, LMAO!!! Anyways, he clearly noted that the unit was as noted, "FLAWLESS, like new condition, no scratches or blemishes what so ever". I was told if the unit didn't come back to me in the same shape it was when I dropped it off it would have to be replaced with a brand new unit and I had the manager sign off on it. Here's to hoping it returns in a timely manner.

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........................And I'm sure someone's gonna want to start a new "anticipation" thread before anyone actually ever sees one.. (surprised there's not one now)
..........................

Cool, I count four threads now

*OFFICIAL* New 2009 Pioneer Elite A/V Receivers thread

New Pioneer Elite receivers announced.....

Pioneer New 2009 A/V Receivers Introduced

New PIONEER SC-LX72 and SC-LX82

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