Official Pioneer SC-05 and SC-07 Owners Thread - Page 50 - AVS Forum
Forum Jump: 
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #1471 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 11:26 AM
AVS Special Member
 
catapult's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 3,824
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by graphicguy View Post

So, let me get this straight.....whenever you turn on your SC, it defaults to Sat/Cable component inputs? And, if you're using only HDMI, routing all your sources through the SC, you're getting no signal? But, if you turn HDMI control off, you'll get no signal from your HDMI devices?

What if you're using something like a Harmony...does that rectify this? Or is it something specific to the Pio remote?

Just trying to understand exactly what's happening here.

You're confusing HDMI control with the HDMI signal. The HDMI cable always carries the audio and video signals. When HDMI control is enabled, it allows the components to send commands to each other over the HDMI wire.

When you turn on the TV with HDMI control enabled, it turns on the receiver and looks for the Sat/Cable source. Unfortunately, you can't rename the HDMI inputs when HDMI control is enabled so the TV can't automatically select an HDMI sat/cable box, probably because none of them support HDMI control. The receiver's remote still works just as it should for selecting sources.

Right now, this whole 'issue' is limited to people with the latest Kuro TVs who want to have everything controlled by the TV -- easy one button TV watching for the family. People with other displays will just leave HDMI control off and do their switching with the receiver's remote or automate things with a Harmony.

Dennis H
catapult is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #1472 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 11:40 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
CHP_VR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Newport Zoo
Posts: 3,287
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Member Reviews/Impressions
Page 1

Member Reviews/Impressions Page 2
Member Reviews/Impressions Page 3

Pictures, Speakers and Previous AVR are noted where available
Last updated: 11.22.09
Listed from oldest to newest:
Code:
Fubarman3
Speakers: Boston Acoustics speakers (5.1); HS225 center, VR975 L/R channel, HS60 surrounds, HO12 sub
Review

CHP_VR Speakers: (L/R) Bowers-Wilkins 704 (Bi-amped), (C) B&W HTM7, (SR)Atlantic Tech 8200e Dipole/Bipole, (SW) VFT3-MK3
PQLS Review

FilmMixer   Previous AVR(s): Onkyo 905, Pioneer SC-09, Denon 5308
Speakers: Onix Rockets
Review1  Insight1 Insight2 On MCACC

Patgilm Previous AVR: Denon 4308ci
Speakers:  B&W 703's, HTM7, four DS7 surrounds and a Velo DD12 sub
Review1 Review2

ModestExplorer  Previous AVR: Yamaha
Speakers: B&W 602 S3's (bi-amped), 600's, 600 center, and Martin Logan Dynamo
Review

MrMacGoo  Previous AVR: VSX-59
Review

Blueste   Previous AVR: Yamaha
Speakers: 5.1 Klipsch Synergy 1
Review

Deke6  Previous AVR: Denon 3808
Speakers; 7.1 Definitive Mythos ST loudspeakers, Mythos Ten (C) , 2 BPVX (SS) 2 UIW RSSII in ceiling RS. 2 Hsu ULS-15 SW
Review

Crazymike40
Speakers: Martin Logans and 2 pairs of Mirage 5si
Power Amps: pair of NAD 208 power amps and a NAD 218
Review

Fuzzy761210 Previous AVR: Elite
Impression with 8 month update

DoctorZ  Previous AVR: Nakamichi AV-8
Speakers:  JBL 4311B mains, Boston Acoustic center, Mission surrounds, and a Hsu sub
Review

OG Mudbone Previous AVR: Denon 4308
Review

ccotenj    Previous AVR: Pioneer 82THX 
Speakers: 5 Sierra Ascend Speakers
Pictures   Review1 Review 2 Surround pictures

aquafire  Previous AVR: VSX-94TXH
Speakers: Klipsch RF-82 front speakers 
Review1 Review2 

Sherardp 
Speakers: Polk Audio Rti series, RTi12s(F) CSi5(C), FXi3( SS) and Rti4s(BS) subs are dual SVS PB12/Plus 2s paired with Velodyne SMS-1
Added: Sunfire TGA 5200 3/09
pictures    Review1 Review2  Updated (3/09) with pictures

Primopup 
Speakers: Snell CLS x 5 Snell CR7 x1 Snell ICS Sub24mk3 Subwoofer Monster MPA 5150 SS Five Channel Power Amplifier Monster Pro Power 7000 Power Source UHC
Review

epan  
Speakers: klipsch 7.1
Review

Juan    Previous AVR:  Pioneer 45TX 
Speakers: Onix Rocket speakers, 750 (F), 550 (SS), 150 (SB) RSC100MKII (C) two SVS CS+'s for SW
 Speaker Details       Pictures   Review  new pictures  new setup

devinjc    Previous AVR: VSX-1014THX 
Speakers: Paradigm Studio 20v3 fronts and surround backs with ADP-470s
Review1  review2

NismoZ     Previous AVR: Pioneer 811S
Speakers: JBL Studio S312II (F),Studio S-CenterII (C), JBL E10 (S), JBL N24II (SB), SVS PB13 Ultra (SW)
Review

Eric_C   Previous AVR:  Yamaha RX-V995 
Speakers: Paradigm Studio 100 V2 mains, CC450 center and ADP450 surrounds, and PW2200 sub
Review

mikedege   Previous AVR: Denon
Pictures

Gov Previous AVR:  VSX-1014TX 
Speakers: Ascend Acoustics
review

Robert George  Previous AVR:  Denon 4308ci
Speakers: Bagend studio monitors, Velodyne SPL-1200R + custom IB sub w/dual 12
First impression

VGI   Previous AVR: Yamaha RXV-1900
Speakers: ERA D4s
Review

Mikazaru Previous AVR: Yamaha 3900
Speakers: Gallo Ref 3.1
Review

gjnockie   Previous AVR: Yamaha
Speakers: B&W
review1 review2

markabuckley  Previous AVR: Yamaha 3800, ARCAM AVR350 
Speakers: SVS-Ultra, (c)6 ohm Tannoy Revolution C, (F/S) Tannoy R3s
Impression 1        impression2 (several  hours later)

garrettmoore    Previous AVR: Sony STRDG720 
Speakers: F: Paradigm 11Se MKII C:Paradigm CC-450 S:AKAI bookshelf, tweeter + 8" mid, 50w SB: Paradigm Atom SW: Velodyne CT-100
First impression   Review2 (With pictures)

graphicguy   Previous AVR: Elite 59 TXi, EMOTIVA LPA/LCM, Marantz SR 8002
Speakers: Ascend Acoustics 6.1, (SW) HSU VTF-3, (L/R) RS 250 MK II,(C) RSC100 Mk II, (S) RSS300, (SB) RSS300 - New Sub 1/09-MFW-15
First impression   Audio review1 Audio review2 Pictures1 pictures2  Pictures3
New setup pics
EMOTIVA LPA-1 vs SC-05 Pioneer ICE AMP observation Dual subs  pics

scottd327  Previous AVR: Lexicon MC-12HD, LX-7 with Martin Logans, Denon 3808 with Mirage
Speakers: Martin Logan
Thoughts on SC-05          Comparison with Denon 3808  

anleva
flac review   

Yatchaks   Previous AVR: Anthem AVM 50 
Speakers: 4 Ohm Salk HT3's & HTC
reveiw

Longhaul747 Previous AVR: Onkyo 875
Speakers: BIC Acoustech horn driven speakers
First impression

rgould1669
Speakers: R/L B&W 639, B&W 61 Center
Pictures

brianjb   Previous AVR: Yamaha 1800
Impression

Tergon  Previous AVR: Pioneer VSX-1014TX
Speakers:  (L/R) Infinity IL-40  Bi-wire, (SW) Polk PSW-250, (C) ECC-1R, (SR) Polk R-10 
Impressions  Pictures   additional pictures

"you're just jealous 'cause the voices only talk to me"
Questions about the SC-07 or SC-05? start here
CHP_VR is offline  
post #1473 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 11:41 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
CHP_VR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Newport Zoo
Posts: 3,287
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Decided to add a little more information.
The links above are member reviews posted here.
Please let me know if anything needs to be added or corrected.
I put previous AVRs, member's had before upgrading to the SC-07/05, speaker systems and pictures when they were available. I'm hoping it may be a good resource for people looking.
I'm sure I forgot some, please let me know.
I will be linking the reviews on the first page.

"you're just jealous 'cause the voices only talk to me"
Questions about the SC-07 or SC-05? start here
CHP_VR is offline  
post #1474 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 11:45 AM
AVS Special Member
 
LS2JSTS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,129
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

Not 100% sure, LS2JSTS, however the manual says this is available only on the SC-05, so I believe the SC-07 uses the BB instead. (speculation)
HIBITSMP
(High Bit/High Sampling) (SC-05 only)
Creates a wider dynamic range
with digital sources like CDs or
DVDs (Smoother, more delicate
musical expression can be
achieved by requantizing 16 bit
PCM or 20 bit compressed audio
signals to 24 bits).
Page 96 manual Audio Parameters

Thanks, it looks like they both do 196/24 upconversion, when, where and how HDMI jitter reduction gets applied looks to be different between the two. But it's clear they both have it. I just wonder why Pioneer lists it along with the BB 196/24 feature.....is it different than the jitter reduction found in the SC-05? They should try to be clearer in this case....

I'll be spending $300 just to CMA by getting the SC-07....Oh well, maybe I should start looking at FP's to justify that additional HDMI out.


edit....Once again, great job with the post above CHP_VR, you are doing a great job maintaining this thread.......Much gratitude from a future owner!

05-1.3H BJC-3808-1.3H BJC-5080
LS2JSTS is offline  
post #1475 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 11:46 AM
Member
 
olilugo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 101
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
CHP_VR as always you are the MAN.....
olilugo is offline  
post #1476 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 11:50 AM
AVS Addicted Member
 
ccotenj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: the toxic waste dumps of new jersey
Posts: 21,915
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 89
nice job chp...

- chris

 

my build thread - updated 8-20-12 - new seating installed and projector isolation solution

 

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1332917/ccotenj-finally-gets-a-projector

ccotenj is offline  
post #1477 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 11:58 AM
AVS Special Member
 
LS2JSTS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,129
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
CHP_VR,

I just went back and re-read some of the reviews and your PQLS comments. Maybe I'm getting to caught up in the jitter reduction gray area and not giving enough credit to the ICE amps for the overall improvement in AQ you guys are noticing. Maybe the ICE amps are the key to the improvements and NOT the Wolfson's as I had assumed. Maybe just a sweet combo of the two that just works.....I'm just going to eat the 300 difference and not have any lingering questions regarding the differences in the back of my mind. SC-07 it is, I guess!

05-1.3H BJC-3808-1.3H BJC-5080
LS2JSTS is offline  
post #1478 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 11:59 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
CHP_VR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Newport Zoo
Posts: 3,287
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
LS2JSTS, I doubt you will be dissappointed
Now hurry up so we can read your impressions!

ccotenj, olilugo: Thank you.. Much appreciated, but it's your contributions that make this board a great resource.

"you're just jealous 'cause the voices only talk to me"
Questions about the SC-07 or SC-05? start here
CHP_VR is offline  
post #1479 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 12:11 PM
Gov
AVS Special Member
 
Gov's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: NW Burbs of Chgo, IL
Posts: 3,228
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Liked: 104
I need two clarifications

1. Does the SC-05 have THX Loudness Plus?
2. Are you able to adjust separate speaker trims of the 7.1 analog multi-channel input? I know I can do it on my VSX-1014tx.

Thanks

Panny TC-P65VT60 (calibrated by Chad B), Denon AVR-4311, Comcast X1 DVR, Apple TV 3, Sony BDP-S5100,  Ascend Acoustics Sierra Towers (mains), Horizon (CC) and HTM-200's (Surr), Dual PSA XV15 Subwoofers!!
Gov is offline  
post #1480 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 12:35 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
CHP_VR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Newport Zoo
Posts: 3,287
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
1. Both the SC-07 andSC-05 have loudness plus, GOV
The SC-07 has ULTRA2 Plus and the SC-05 has SELECT2 Plus

"THX Loudness Plus is a new volume control technology featured in
THX Ultra2 Plus™ and THX Select2 Plus™ Certified receivers."

2. It has individual Frequency Trim (Acoustical EQ) settings:
Page 49 and 53:
If the speaker balance seems uneven, you can raise or
lower channel levels using test tones with the TRIM
feature. Use / to select TRIM, then use / to
raise or lower the channel level for the current
speaker.

"you're just jealous 'cause the voices only talk to me"
Questions about the SC-07 or SC-05? start here
CHP_VR is offline  
post #1481 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 12:48 PM
AVS Special Member
 
LS2JSTS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,129
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

LS2JSTS, I doubt you will be dissappointed
Now hurry up so we can read your impressions!

ccotenj, olilugo: Thank you.. Much appreciated, but it's your contributions that make this board a great resource.

I admit, I'm being far to anal with this purchase...I'm doing a three room upgrade, this will be the last AVR I get to buy for at least three-four years. My 3808 and 2808 will end up in new roles in other rooms, I was all set to get a 4308 or 5308 for my main room, but damn?!? I see former 5308, 4308 and even SC-09 owners in here posting all kinds of love for their SC-07, that is tough to ignore. I've always been Pioneer for source and display and Denon or Marantz for my AVR's. For headache free use and years of service, they are hard to beat.

I have to sell two of my Sony DHG's before I can splurge on the SC-07, but I'm looking forward to reporting back my thoughts vs. the 3808 I have in my main room now.

05-1.3H BJC-3808-1.3H BJC-5080
LS2JSTS is offline  
post #1482 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 01:09 PM
Senior Member
 
fresno1232001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 484
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
CHP_VR- Thanks for the SC-07 measurements and photos you posted in early Sept. I just see them now on Oct. 14, 2008. You did fine work. Sorry I did not see it and thank you sooner.

By adding and subtracting your measurements, and using Pioneer's published TOTAL depth of the SC-07 of 18.09" from the front edge of the front knobs to the rear edge of the rear connectors that it comes with-, I get this result: from the back edge of the CASE of the SC-07, it is another .840" to the back edge of the rear connectors that it comes with. SO, if one puts the front edge of the front feet right out on the edge of one's shelf, it is then 15.375" from the front edge of one's shelf to the back edge of the CASE. Then add a depth of .840" for the connectors on the back of the unit that come with the unit. So, it is 16.215" from the front edge of the front feet back to the back edge of the rear connectors that come with the unit, i.e. come mounted on the back of the unit as it comes out of the box. So that is a potentially critical dimension. My shelf is 17" deep, so I would have 0.785" left behind the rear connectors for cables if I put the front edge of the front feet right at the front edge of my shelf. Not a problem in my case since that would be the worst (i.e. minimum) distance from the back edge of the rear connectors to the round pier in the center at the back of my Bello rack. 0.785" is enough to bend cables into the center hole in the pier or bend them around the sides of the pier- and that will only apply to cables that are right near the pier. I can slide the SC-07 left and right on the ~35" wide shelf so that as few cables as possible- and possibly none- are right near the pier.

Again, if you are going to mount the SC-07 so that the front edge of the front feet are right out on the front edge of your shelf (leaving 1 1/4" of the case and then and additional 5/8" of knobs jutting forward from the front edge of the shelf- a total of 1.875" jutting forward from the front edge of the shelf), it will be 16.215" from the front edge of your shelf to the rear edge of the rear connectors that come on the SC-07. Now allow some more room for cables. Knowing that, you can measure the depth of your shelf and determine if you can get the SC-07 to fit.

If it is 16 5/8" from the back edge of the case to the front edge of the case, and 1.25" from the front edge of the front feet to the front edge of the case, it is 15.375" from the front edge of the front feet to the rear edge of the case. Now add .840" for the rear connectors, and it is 16.215" from the front edge of the front feet to the rear edge of the rear connectors. Add 1.875" from the front edge of the front feet to the front of the front knobs, and you have the total depth of 18.09" which Pioneeer claims.

As a check of all this, it would be nice if someone could just measure from the front edge of the front feet to the rear edge of the rear connectors that come on the unit and report the result.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CHP_VR View Post

From the Front edge of the foot, it is 1 and one quarter inch to the front edge of the SC-07

From the EDGE of the rear of the SC-07 (does not include rear connectors) to the front of the edge of the SC-07 it is just shy of 16 and a half inches

Add 5/8 of an inch for the knob


Hope that helps.

fresno1232001 is offline  
post #1483 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 01:45 PM
Member
 
jsadts's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
Posts: 47
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by focker View Post

The case itself is 16 5/8" deep. The knobs on front protrude 5/8" past the case. I can't get to the back of the unit right now but I would give it 1" for the speaker wire lugs.

Quote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by fresno1232001 View Post

CHP_VR- Thanks for the SC-07 measurements and photos you posted in early Sept. I just see them now on Oct. 14, 2008. You did fine work. Sorry I did not see it and thank you sooner.

By adding and subtracting your measurements, and using Pioneer's published TOTAL depth of the SC-07 of o18.09" from the front edge of the front {...Rest Omitted...}

Great. Thanks guys. Good job. Sorry, CHP_VR for not noticing your stuff. I thought that I had plowed my way through all pages.
Right now, I do not have a shelf or anything to put it on (well, I do, but probably not WAF-approved). I need to think about how to setup the receiver and other equipment. I may go into some sort-of cabinet instead of open shelves but then there are potential heat issues (btw, how are heat with this unit?). It all has to be WAF-approved and be child-safe ("safe from children's fingers").

Thanks again.

- jsadts
jsadts is offline  
post #1484 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 01:45 PM
AVS Addicted Member
 
ccotenj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: the toxic waste dumps of new jersey
Posts: 21,915
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 89
does anyone know, since i'm sitting at my office "working" and playing with my h1 setup and don't have the sc remote handy...

are there discrete codes for the various surround modes? or do they just work off of toggles?

i'm guessing there aren't, but it's worth a shot...

- chris

 

my build thread - updated 8-20-12 - new seating installed and projector isolation solution

 

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1332917/ccotenj-finally-gets-a-projector

ccotenj is offline  
post #1485 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 02:38 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Juan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: So Cal, US
Posts: 2,440
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

does anyone know, since i'm sitting at my office "working" and playing with my h1 setup and don't have the sc remote handy...

are there discrete codes for the various surround modes? or do they just work off of toggles?

i'm guessing there aren't, but it's worth a shot...

No discrete codes.

Juan

My HT
Juan is offline  
post #1486 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 03:22 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
CHP_VR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Newport Zoo
Posts: 3,287
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsadts View Post

Great. Thanks guys. Good job. Sorry, CHP_VR for not noticing your stuff. I thought that I had plowed my way through all pages.
Right now, I do not have a shelf or anything to put it on (well, I do, but probably not WAF-approved). I need to think about how to setup the receiver and other equipment. I may go into some sort-of cabinet instead of open shelves but then there are potential heat issues (btw, how are heat with this unit?). It all has to be WAF-approved and be child-safe ("safe from children's fingers").

Thanks again.

- jsadts

Haven't experienced any heat problems. overall the ICE amps run pretty cool (Part of their design is supposed to be efficiency, which should translate as cooler operation).
However, it will get warm, especially with any video processing. Not hot, but warm. It's way cooler, for example, then my HR21 satbox.

"you're just jealous 'cause the voices only talk to me"
Questions about the SC-07 or SC-05? start here
CHP_VR is offline  
post #1487 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 03:47 PM
AVS Special Member
 
graphicguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Ohio Valley
Posts: 3,643
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by catapult View Post

You're confusing HDMI control with the HDMI signal. The HDMI cable always carries the audio and video signals. When HDMI control is enabled, it allows the components to send commands to each other over the HDMI wire.

When you turn on the TV with HDMI control enabled, it turns on the receiver and looks for the Sat/Cable source. Unfortunately, you can't rename the HDMI inputs when HDMI control is enabled so the TV can't automatically select an HDMI sat/cable box, probably because none of them support HDMI control. The receiver's remote still works just as it should for selecting sources.

Right now, this whole 'issue' is limited to people with the latest Kuro TVs who want to have everything controlled by the TV -- easy one button TV watching for the family. People with other displays will just leave HDMI control off and do their switching with the receiver's remote or automate things with a Harmony.

Catapult, thanks....that's what I thought. Just wanted to be certain I was misunderstanding. Yeah....I kind of understand controlling things through the TV. Personally, I do it through my AVR and Harmony. Even though I've got a KURO, I'd still set it up the same way....AVR does the switching for everything via Harmony. In that instance, I'd leave HDMI control off, anyway

Music so high you can't get over it....music so low you can't get under it!
graphicguy is offline  
post #1488 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 03:56 PM
Advanced Member
 
todd1010's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Jacksonville, Florida
Posts: 512
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I just received some feedback from Pioneer Tech support regarding the HDMI Contol and the SC-05 receiver defaulting to TV/SAT input.

He basically said that since I have other sources (Comcast HD-DVR DCH-3416, and a Xbox 360 Elite) either one of these sources may be causing the receiver to malfunction. The reason is that one of these souces aren't HDMI 1.3 built in.

So which of my sources here aren't HDMI 1.3? The Comcast box, Xbox 360 Elite or both?
todd1010 is offline  
post #1489 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 04:04 PM
Member
 
focker's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 163
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Does anyone see where there would be any problem (or advice) driving a pair of B&W 804 or 803 speakers with the SC-07.

Scott
focker is offline  
post #1490 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 04:21 PM
Member
 
MacGuyPA's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 47
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by todd1010 View Post

I just received some feedback from Pioneer Tech support regarding the HDMI Contol and the SC-05 receiver defaulting to TV/SAT input.

He basically said that since I have other sources (Comcast HD-DVR DCH-3416, and a Xbox 360 Elite) either one of these sources may be causing the receiver to malfunction. The reason is that one of these souces aren't HDMI 1.3 built in.

So which of my sources here aren't HDMI 1.3? The Comcast box, Xbox 360 Elite or both?

I call shenanigans! PIO is trying to blame someone else for their mistake. Even if one of your devices isn't 1.3, 1.3 is supposed to be backward compatible, so there shouldn't be any issues. If there is, it is still PIOs fault.

To quote HDMI.org website:

"Q. Are all of the new HDMI versions backward compatible with previous versions?
Yes, all HDMI versions are fully backward compatible with all previous versions."

MacGuyPA is offline  
post #1491 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 04:25 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
CHP_VR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Newport Zoo
Posts: 3,287
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by todd1010 View Post

I just received some feedback from Pioneer Tech support regarding the HDMI Contol and the SC-05 receiver defaulting to TV/SAT input.

He basically said that since I have other sources (Comcast HD-DVR DCH-3416, and a Xbox 360 Elite) either one of these sources may be causing the receiver to malfunction. The reason is that one of these souces aren't HDMI 1.3 built in.

So which of my sources here aren't HDMI 1.3? The Comcast box, Xbox 360 Elite or both?

Don't know about your comcast box, but the HR21 is 1.1, the Xbox 360 Elite is 1.2 according to Gizmodo.

"you're just jealous 'cause the voices only talk to me"
Questions about the SC-07 or SC-05? start here
CHP_VR is offline  
post #1492 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 04:48 PM
Advanced Member
 
todd1010's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Jacksonville, Florida
Posts: 512
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by MacGuyPA View Post

I call shenanigans! PIO is trying to blame someone else for their mistake. Even if one of your devices isn't 1.3, 1.3 is supposed to be backward compatible, so there shouldn't be any issues. If there is, it is still PIOs fault.

To quote HDMI.org website:

"Q. Are all of the new HDMI versions backward compatible with previous versions?
Yes, all HDMI versions are fully backward compatible with all previous versions."


I think so also. I didn't get to speak with him in person but he did leave that message. I still think that Pioneer could issue a fix for this very annoying problem.
todd1010 is offline  
post #1493 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 05:02 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Bigred7078's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 2,947
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by focker View Post

Does anyone see where there would be any problem (or advice) driving a pair of B&W 804 or 803 speakers with the SC-07.

yes a problem, because to really get the most out of those speakers the internal amps of the pio's just wont cut it. They need a good external amp. Check out emotiva.com for some low priced alternatives, i use them with my VA Mozart Grands with phenominal results.
Bigred7078 is offline  
post #1494 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 05:07 PM
AVS Special Member
 
catapult's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 3,824
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Quote:


I call shenanigans! PIO is trying to blame someone else for their mistake. Even if one of your devices isn't 1.3, 1.3 is supposed to be backward compatible, so there shouldn't be any issues. If there is, it is still PIOs fault.

Compatible with previous versions just mean they will all play when hooked together. It doesn't mean components with a previous version support all the 1.3 features. HDMI control is a 1.3 feature. If your sat box doesn't have 1.3, it can't announce "hey, here I am, I'm a sat box" over HDMI, so the TV has no way to know it's there and to switch to it when you power on the TV. If you do the normal HDMI 1.1 thing of manually powering up the components and manually switching inputs, all the components will shake hands and everything is fine.

Blaming the receiver for all of this is just silly.

Dennis H
catapult is offline  
post #1495 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 05:15 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
CHP_VR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Newport Zoo
Posts: 3,287
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
^^^^ +1
Thanks catapult
Was looking for the right words, you said it much better!

"you're just jealous 'cause the voices only talk to me"
Questions about the SC-07 or SC-05? start here
CHP_VR is offline  
post #1496 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 05:45 PM
AVS Special Member
 
catapult's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 3,824
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Quote:


yes a problem, because to really get the most out of those speakers the internal amps of the pio's just wont cut it. They need a good external amp.

And you know this because.....? The ICE amps are very good with low impedance loads. This ain't your grandpa's receiver.

Dennis H
catapult is offline  
post #1497 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 07:42 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Bigred7078's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 2,947
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by catapult View Post

And you know this because.....? The ICE amps are very good with low impedance loads. This ain't your grandpa's receiver.

i know this cause i have used it on extensive occasions...but thanks for playing...

The Iceamps will not handle low impendence loads...well let me re-phrase, they will drive speakers with low impedence but not very well...Im not saying the Iceamp's aren't good....by no means is that what im saying, they are probably the best on the market...BUT they will just not compare to a good amp... You can have your own feelings on it, thats fine, i never said my words were the almighty. If you want to run power hungry speakers with low impedence dips off a receiver then be my guest, its not my listening room.
Bigred7078 is offline  
post #1498 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 10:16 PM
Member
 
focker's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 163
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
To explain where I am coming from on this, I have had Definitive Tech BP10's for about 15 years and am considering an upgrade. I have a friend that needs money now that his mortgage business has dried up and is looking to sell his B&W's to me for a reasonable price. I just purchased the SC-07 and want have a proper direction if I pick these speakers up.
I was assuming these would have been 4 ohms but if am I reading the specs correctly on the B&W site they appear to be 8 ohms. I don't mind getting an amp in the future if it's needed but if there is no reason to I would rather spend the money on other things.
Snip of Specs:
Nominal Impedance 8Ω (minimum 3.0Ω)
Crossover frequencies 350Hz, 4kHz
Recommended Amplifier Power 50W – 500W into 8Ω on unclipped programme

Scott
focker is offline  
post #1499 of 17097 Old 10-14-2008, 10:22 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Juan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: So Cal, US
Posts: 2,440
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by focker View Post

To explain where I am coming from on this, I have had Definitive Tech BP10's for about 15 years and am considering an upgrade. I have a friend that needs money now that his mortgage business has dried up and is looking to sell his B&W's to me for a reasonable price. I just purchased the SC-07 and want have a proper direction if I pick these speakers up.
I was assuming these would have been 4 ohms but if am I reading the specs correctly on the B&W site they appear to be 8 ohms. I don't mind getting an amp in the future if it's needed but if there is no reason to I would rather spend the money on other things.
Snip of Specs:
Nominal Impedance 8Ω (minimum 3.0Ω)
Crossover frequencies 350Hz, 4kHz
Recommended Amplifier Power 50W - 500W into 8Ω on unclipped programme


That would be a nice setup, would love to listen to those speakers with the 07. Good luck on what ever you decide.

Juan

My HT
Juan is offline  
post #1500 of 17097 Old 10-15-2008, 04:40 AM
AVS Addicted Member
 
ccotenj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: the toxic waste dumps of new jersey
Posts: 21,915
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 89
Quote:
Originally Posted by Juan View Post

No discrete codes.

thanks juan... i didn't think there would be, but i figured i'd take a shot...

- chris

 

my build thread - updated 8-20-12 - new seating installed and projector isolation solution

 

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1332917/ccotenj-finally-gets-a-projector

ccotenj is offline  
Reply Receivers, Amps, and Processors

User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off