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post #721 of 1616 Old 03-19-2011, 10:12 AM - Thread Starter
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speaker king/ bommai,

I think the issue here is the 7550hd don't sound its best when the crossover is manually set. if you run ez set and let it automatically set the crossover you get the best sound. And for some strange reason, it always set my bookshelf speakers (front and center) to large and my surround at 80hz. I am using Klipsch RB 5 II - fronts, RC 3 II-center and RS 3 II surrounds. the receiver sounds best when it sets the front and center as large... don't ask me why, but it is true. I hear bommai hinted at this in an earlier post.

Whenever i set my crossover manually for my front and center (80hz), my system doesn't sound as good.

I agree with this. The last time I ran eq, I did it totally automatic and saved it as position one. Did you use tone in or tone out when you ran the eq? Does that even make a difference? After saving it as position 1, I went and looked at the crossover. It had set all speakers as large and sub as lfe +L/R. I left it like that. I played some two channel music and used logic 7 music as surround mode. It was excellent. Then I played ratatouille bluray. It has PCM 5.1 track. The sound effects were precise. And the dialogs crisp. I had dolby volume off but eq on. Now I swapped the 7550hd with the 745 and played ratatouille. While it was also good, I felt like the 7550 was a tad bit better. Also when I played it twice the speed, the bd player switches to 2 ch. Then when I hit play, there was a pop in the speakers. This did not happen on the 7550.

I have the ups label ready to ship the 7550 back but have a little trouble doing it.
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I agree with this. The last time I ran eq, I did it totally automatic and saved it as position one. Did you use tone in or tone out when you ran the eq? Does that even make a difference? After saving it as position 1, I went and looked at the crossover. It had set all speakers as large and sub as lfe +L/R. I left it like that. I played some two channel music and used logic 7 music as surround mode. It was excellent. Then I played ratatouille bluray. It has PCM 5.1 track. The sound effects were precise. And the dialogs crisp. I had dolby volume off but eq on. Now I swapped the 7550hd with the 745 and played ratatouille. While it was also good, I felt like the 7550 was a tad bit better. Also when I played it twice the speed, the bd player switches to 2 ch. Then when I hit play, there was a pop in the speakers. This did not happen on the 7550.

I have the ups label ready to ship the 7550 back but have a little trouble doing it.

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The HK 745 is a wonderful AVR. But it sounds to me like your heart is with the HD7550. I say feed the heart and the head will almost always be happy. But that's not to say you won't look back and regret parting with the 745 down the road. Because the Heart always moves elsewhere.
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I agree with this. The last time I ran eq, I did it totally automatic and saved it as position one. Did you use tone in or tone out when you ran the eq? Does that even make a difference? After saving it as position 1, I went and looked at the crossover. It had set all speakers as large and sub as lfe +L/R. I left it like that. I played some two channel music and used logic 7 music as surround mode. It was excellent. Then I played ratatouille bluray. It has PCM 5.1 track. The sound effects were precise. And the dialogs crisp. I had dolby volume off but eq on. Now I swapped the 7550hd with the 745 and played ratatouille. While it was also good, I felt like the 7550 was a tad bit better. Also when I played it twice the speed, the bd player switches to 2 ch. Then when I hit play, there was a pop in the speakers. This did not happen on the 7550.

I have the ups label ready to ship the 7550 back but have a little trouble doing it.

I ran it both ways, tone on and off. I remember HK telling me that ez set turns off tone control and sets the volume to 25 when running ez set. When listening i do turn on the tone control and set treble to +10 and Bass to + 5.

bommai, seeing that you are going to be out about $250 (shipping and restocking fee) if you can sell the 745 for $350 - $400, your out of pocket for the 7550hd might be about $500 for the 7550hd, and you would have all the latest in terms of 3D/ 1080P/ HD Audio, and you wouldn't have to worry about upgrading your receiver for a few years.
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After having problems with my upgraded unit I emailed HK support. After having me test a few things they emailed me a return label and I sent it back. I received my new unit yesterday and got it setup last night.

YAY! I played the new unit last night and this morning configured it for 7.2 all wall speakers cutoff at 100 with a 10 and 12 sub. It sounds and works as great as my original 7550 with the addition of the HDMI and software upgrades.

I couldn't be happier.
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Can anyone share their experience on how to bi-amp in HK 645/745/7550HD? I specifically need info for 645.

I thought SBL/SBR channels as MULTI/ZONE II or bi-amping fronts but not sure what are the correct steps as in OSD there is seperate Multi-zone VOLUME, inputs etc. How can I make such a way that it works for all inputs?

Thanks.
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I was just looking on the HK.com site. They now only show the 1600,2600,3600 AVRs for the US. Are there no more 7550 HD? Here in SA the local JBL Pro shop is, or at least was, selling the 2600, 3600.
When I clicked on Canada link on HK home page, they still show the 7550 being sold up there.

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6ave.com still says $1196 but they are selling it for $1099 through amazon with free shipping!

Amazon Link

They claim only 2 left.
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I haven't been in that Pro shop lately, but as I remember, their price for the 3600 was about the same as the cheapest price I saw in the States. And no waiting or shipping cost to Ecuador. I just thought it strange that HK's top end AVR was no longer listed on their site.

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I haven't been in that Pro shop lately, but as I remember, their price for the 3600 was about the same as the cheapest price I saw in the States. And no waiting or shipping cost to Ecuador. I just thought it strange that HK's top end AVR was no longer listed on their site.
7550hd has been discontinued.
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7550hd has been discontinued.

I figured that when HK did not have it listed, but still shown as available in Canada.

Last summer I was going to buy the new Parasound pre/pro. But then they scraped the entire project b/c of problems with the platform, b4 it got released.

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Can anyone share their experience on how to bi-amp in HK 645/745/7550HD? I specifically need info for 645.

I thought SBL/SBR channels as MULTI/ZONE II or bi-amping fronts but not sure what are the correct steps as in OSD there is seperate Multi-zone VOLUME, inputs etc. How can I make such a way that it works for all inputs?

Thanks.


HK recommends against bi-amping, there are no sonic performance benefits..

Just my $0.02.. ;
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I figured that when HK did not have it listed, but still shown as available in Canada.

Last summer I was going to buy the new Parasound pre/pro. But then they scraped the entire project b/c of problems with the platform, b4 it got released.

7550HD inventory in the HK USA warehouse is sold out.. There may be stock in other distributors both in the USA and outside in other markets (760s/660s) as well. There will be a small qty of the 7550HD to be sold as Z stock (refurbs) in the near future..

Just my $0.02...
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HK recommends against bi-amping, there are no sonic performance benefits..

Just my $0.02.. ;

Which would explain why most models of Harman speaker brands are in fact bi-wireable if not bi-amp ready. Like having a 2 headed cow.

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Which would explain why most models of Harman speaker brands are in fact bi-wireable if not bi-amp ready. Like having a 2 headed cow.

Don't confuse what is available in their higher priced brands and esoteric products to those of the larger, mass oriented, more popular priced segments serviced by HK...

Totally separate brand/product strategies..

Just my $0.02..
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HK recommends against bi-amping, there are no sonic performance benefits..

Just my $0.02.. ;

M Code,

Thanks.

How about bi-wiring as my speaker supports bi-wiring? or having two fronts A+B as I've two sets of same speakers and do A+B also?

Since I wasn't too sure about bi-wiring, I tried connecting two fronts( one regular fronts and another pair using SBL+SBR) and looks like I have to use Multizone volume for the second pair of fronts. I'm not sure if I'm doing the right thing. Your help is greatly appreciated.
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Don't confuse what is available in their higher priced brands and esoteric products to those of the larger, mass oriented, more popular priced segments serviced by HK...

Totally separate brand/product strategies..

Just my $0.02..

Get serious! All of Harman full range speakers have been setup with removable straps across the HF/LF terminals for years. With the purpose of bi-wire/amp.

As to if there is any benefit to doing so, is another matter, in the cheaper series.

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Get serious! All of Harman full range speakers have been setup with removable straps across the HF/LF terminals for years. With the purpose of bi-wire/amp.

As to if there is any benefit to doing so, is another matter, in the cheaper series.

Not rocket science..
Just adding more 5-way binding posts with shorting strips, connected to the loudspeaker's internal X-over..
For driving each transducer indepedently...

If one thinks their system sounds better by using this feature,
go for it..

Just my $0.02..
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I never said it was better, and I've never done it. I'm just saying that Harman is talking out both sides of their mouth, by giving an option of bi-amp on cheaper speakers, and then say its a waste of time.

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I just shipped my 7550 back to 6th ave. The wait for a refund begins!
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I just shipped my 7550 back to 6th ave. The wait for a refund begins!

I stand corrected. Your heart was with The HK 745 AVR. And I can relate to it. I personally think it is the finest AVR HK ever made. Even though mine suffers even today from the front hinge door not staying up (a tolerable annoyance). I have owned several of HK's products and that 745 receiver sonically was the first that was on par with the revered Citation 7.0 preamp of yesteryear. The 7.0 retailed for $7000. And it was a masterpiece. I still use mine occasionally. Because I prefer its soundstaging on my big collection of vinyl LPs. But the 745 is a very close cousin to it. Sonically, the 745 AVR receiver is a BEAST! And I prefer going directly into the Display monitor source directly from the Monoprice switch anyway. Overscan (full imaging on the screen edges) seems to be more accurate that way (from the HD source vs the AVR).
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There will be a small qty of the 7550HD to be sold as Z stock (refurbs) in the near future..

Just my $0.02...
This is what I'm keeping my eyes out for.

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I was going to save you $25 + return shipping charges and me ~$75 after shipping and just buy your 7550HD from you. Too busy at work yesterday to check here.

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I was going to save you $25 + return shipping charges and me ~$75 after shipping and just buy your 7550HD from you. Too busy at work yesterday to check here.

Yikes. What a bummer.
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Bommai

I think you made a good decision returning your 7550 your 745 is a very nice reciever it's not worth paying all that money for for something that's not any better.

Also there where alot of things that were funky with that reciever.
I know we all get the itch to upgrade and im sure we will when something nice comes out that works perfect cause all in all if the reciever was perfect we would have kept it.

And im glad i returned the 7550 cause my denon has some seriously good surround sound and i think later on when i upgrade it will be seperates or at least a 7.1 channel power amp and use my reciever as a pre pro now that's a upgrade lol.
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I stand corrected. Your heart was with The HK 745 AVR. And I can relate to it. I personally think it is the finest AVR HK ever made. Even though mine suffers even today from the front hinge door not staying up (a tolerable annoyance). I have owned several of HK's products and that 745 receiver sonically was the first that was on par with the revered Citation 7.0 preamp of yesteryear. The 7.0 retailed for $7000. And it was a masterpiece. I still use mine occasionally. Because I prefer its soundstaging on my big collection of vinyl LPs. But the 745 is a very close cousin to it. Sonically, the 745 AVR receiver is a BEAST! And I prefer going directly into the Display monitor source directly from the Monoprice switch anyway. Overscan (full imaging on the screen edges) seems to be more accurate that way (from the HD source vs the AVR).


Wow wee..
My 745 is worth something...
Maybe I should pull it out of the garage storage and e-bag it..

Just my $0.02...
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I think HK is going to be without a flagship for a while at least. I wish they had a 4xxx and 5xxx series also. The 7xxx was too pricey until it was on clearance.
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What has replaced the 7550HD?

The latest word is that their new AVR lineup will be shown 1st @ IFA 2011 for Europe and CES 2012 for North America...

Just my $0.02...
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Still waiting for my refund from 6ave.com!
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Wow! What a difference between two merchants. I bought a NAD T747 from AudioAdvisor. While it was good, I found a few things I did not like about it and I also did not think the audio quality beat the HK AVR 745. So, I returned it and there was no restocking fee and I got the refund within 24 hours after my return was received by them.

Contrast that with 6th Avenue. I bought the HK AVR 7550HD. I ran into some trouble with this receiver too and did not feel like it was a upgrade from the 7550. So, I returned it. They got my return on 3/24. They confirmed that through email. I emailed them about the refund. They said shortly. They said shortly. And they said shortly today too. Shortly means in the future I guess. I should get it sometime next week apparently. Hmm. I wonder when I should start panicking and calling my Amex.
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