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I want a separate MCACC memory for Front Height so I can run it multiple times and see if one EQ run differs from another. If not, I know its consistent and i'll be happy.



This is what I am trying to figure out how to do. I am beginning to suspect that my receiver is not capable of storing MCACC EQs in separate memories because I do not see any screen within the AVR menu that shows me memory presets 1-6 or anything like that. All I have is Auto MCACC (which I understand what it is doing and how it works). I just want to know how, if it exists at all, I access the menu where the memory locations are visible.
I understand now, I was concerned when I went from 5.1 to 7.1 that I would lose that wonderful sound.

Nope mcacc shines for me. VERY consistant under similar conditions.

There should be several choices in the gui for mcacc data management.
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Wow, now I really understand.

Just L@@ked thru the manual fir you AVR.

I didn't see anything about mcacc memory presets either?.

I also don't understand why the manual tells you to run mcacc twice.

Once with surround backs, then again with heights. Changing the speaker system selection setting each time.

When I 1st read your intial post I thought you might be confused.

But I now am VERY CONFUSED.

I sure someone will be along shortly to esplain all this.
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Wow, now I really understand.



Just L@@ked thru the manual fir you AVR.



I didn't see anything about mcacc memory presets either?.



I also don't understand why the manual tells you to run mcacc twice.



Once with surround backs, then again with heights. Changing the speaker system selection setting each time.



When I 1st read your intial post I thought you might be confused.



But I now am VERY CONFUSED.



I sure someone will be along shortly to esplain all this.


Haha yeah I'm also very confused lol

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Haha yeah I'm also very confused lol
I think there is a concern between the online manual and the pdf file manual.

Unfortunitly, i have 3% battery left.

On the online version. Ifound were it states to switch between speaker a/b to choose between SB/FH during playback?. Huh

Also states else where that it will automagically switch between SB/FH depending on the input source signal?. Huh, ok that would be kool.

There are things stated one way. Then totally opposite on other pages.



When you select the speaker system. Normal SB/FH

When You perform the auto mcacc. Does it intially identify with test tones all your speakers. Including front height and surround back.

When playing a input source signal of 7.1 and you choose a dsp mode of dolby plIIz. Do you hear sounds coming from your FH speakers.

If you choose a dsp mode of direct auto same input signal source. Do you now hear sound from the rear surrounds.

Good luck, 1 percent left hope post makes it thru.
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I think there is a concern between the online manual and the pdf file manual.



Unfortunitly, i have 3% battery left.



On the online version. Ifound were it states to switch between speaker a/b to choose between SB/FH during playback?. Huh



Also states else where that it will automagically switch between SB/FH depending on the input source signal?. Huh, ok that would be kool.



There are things stated one way. Then totally opposite on other pages.







When you select the speaker system. Normal SB/FH



When You perform the auto mcacc. Does it intially identify with test tones all your speakers. Including front height and surround back.



When playing a input source signal of 7.1 and you choose a dsp mode of dolby plIIz. Do you hear sounds coming from your FH speakers.



If you choose a dsp mode of direct auto same input signal source. Do you now hear sound from the rear surrounds.



Good luck, 1 percent left hope post makes it thru.

Thx for the reply. I just tested this all out. So if I set speaker system to heights, it will play the front height speakers in addition to the normal 5.1 during MCACC. Then if I change speaker system to surround backs and redo the MCACC, It will play test tones for the normal 5.1 plus the surround backs and calibrate off of that. What's super weird to me is that the manual says if you have both hooked up you can just run MCACC both ways one after the other so there's no need to run MCACC when changing the speaker system between heights and Surrounds. Ok cool. Except it doesn't work! After running it 2 times in a row for both speaker systems, I go and change the speaker system from surround backs to heights and all the speaker settings are still set to the MCACC calibration for the Surround back speakers. The MCACC results when I have surround back speaker system are WAY different than when I have front heights due to the front heights being much bigger/better speakers than the surround backs. But when I switch to heights from surround back speaker system after have just ran it for both, it doesn't switch speaker EQ back to how it was when I ran with heights enabled. It just keeps the surround back settings. I'm so lost.

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I'm confused a little....
I just picked up a new VSX-1131 which is the 2016 model if the 1130 which has MCACC Pro. My 1131 does not. Even the 3 new Elite models for 2016 doesn't have MCACC Pro. Anyone have any insight on this? You can see the specs on Pioneers site and all the new 2016 models are exactly the same.

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I'm confused a little....
I just picked up a new VSX-1131 which is the 2016 model if the 1130 which has MCACC Pro. My 1131 does not. Even the 3 new Elite models for 2016 doesn't have MCACC Pro. Anyone have any insight on this? You can see the specs on Pioneers site and all the new 2016 models are exactly the same.
I believe only the SC model line have PRO.

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I believe only the SC model line have PRO.

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The new SC-LX05 shows the same spec as mine.
Like I said though, even last year's 1130 model had pro.

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The new SC-LX05 shows the same spec as mine.
Like I said though, even last year's 1130 model had pro.

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Moving forward Pioneer possibly is only going to incorporate pro on the SC line this time.

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Moving forward Pioneer possibly is only going to incorporate pro on the SC line this time.

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You just quoted where I stated the "SC" model SC-LX05 shows that it only has the standard MCACC.

I would think the top Pionner non-elite model would have at least Advanced MCACC.

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You just quoted where I stated the "SC" model SC-LX05 shows that it only has the standard MCACC.

I would think the top Pionner non-elite model would have at least Advanced MCACC.
I meant that possibly this time around only the high end SC elite have pro. Call Pioneer

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I meant that possibly this time around only the high end SC elite have pro. Call Pioneer

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That's too bad that they are pulling features. I'll have to contact them. Is there any other way to manually put out pink noise and read it with a PC to help me make the adjustments instead of by ear?

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PIONEER MCACC microphone

Does anyone know where I can get a replacement MCACC microphone. I have a VSX-01THX.
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I find this menu
Along with the manual saying it does auto eq.... It makes a huge difference when i toggle it. Looks like they are just changing it up. All the menus are different too.

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Is there any guide for troubleshooting MCACC errors during testing? I just upgraded to a brand new set of EMP Tek R5Bi's connected to my Pioneer VSX-521-K, and I cannot get MCACC to properly register with these new speakers. I just get this "ERR FCH" (assuming: Error Front Channel, but specific details sure would be helpful) to display on the front of the AVR.

I had gotten MCACC to work, previously, with this same AVR in this same exact room, using a real entry-level set of Polk RM-6750's (HTIB). MCACC had decided to set the Sub to -14 for those speakers.

My next upgrade is to get a new Rythmik FV15HP sub to go with those EMP Tek speakers, but before I spend any more money I sure would like to nail down exactly why I can't get a proper room calibration to work anymore...


I'm waiting for when the HVAC isn't running (background noise) to start the test, I have the mic elevated to *almost* ear/listening level... I have the speakers toed in a little. And I've used a 15' extension cable to get from the AVR all the way to primary seat (through a wall), but I also tried to do it WITHOUT the extension cable, and toed the speakers in REAL hard to point at the mic, just to try to get the test to work (even if it's for the wrong listening area... just to show a successful test and result).

My Fronts are about 11 feet or so apart... the speakers are 18 inches from the back wall. The main listening area is a couch 11-12' from the front wall, with a wall directly behind the couch. The room is quite long, left-to-right, about 44 feet wide... but I was able to get MCACC to properly read and calibrate with my older/smaller/cheaper speakers in this exact room, with this exact AVR...

Any help would be appreciated.
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Is there any guide for troubleshooting MCACC errors during testing? I just upgraded to a brand new set of EMP Tek R5Bi's connected to my Pioneer VSX-521-K, and I cannot get MCACC to properly register with these new speakers. I just get this "ERR FCH" (assuming: Error Front Channel, but specific details sure would be helpful) to display on the front of the AVR.



I had gotten MCACC to work, previously, with this same AVR in this same exact room, using a real entry-level set of Polk RM-6750's (HTIB). MCACC had decided to set the Sub to -14 for those speakers.



My next upgrade is to get a new Rythmik FV15HP sub to go with those EMP Tek speakers, but before I spend any more money I sure would like to nail down exactly why I can't get a proper room calibration to work anymore...





I'm waiting for when the HVAC isn't running (background noise) to start the test, I have the mic elevated to *almost* ear/listening level... I have the speakers toed in a little. And I've used a 15' extension cable to get from the AVR all the way to primary seat (through a wall), but I also tried to do it WITHOUT the extension cable, and toed the speakers in REAL hard to point at the mic, just to try to get the test to work (even if it's for the wrong listening area... just to show a successful test and result).



My Fronts are about 11 feet or so apart... the speakers are 18 inches from the back wall. The main listening area is a couch 11-12' from the front wall, with a wall directly behind the couch. The room is quite long, left-to-right, about 44 feet wide... but I was able to get MCACC to properly read and calibrate with my older/smaller/cheaper speakers in this exact room, with this exact AVR...



Any help would be appreciated.


Have you tried turning off tv and lights while running it. They can emit noises we can't hear but the mic can.

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Have you tried turning off tv and lights while running it. They can emit noises we can't hear but the mic can.
Good comment.

The TV hasn't been on when I've been running this test... but I can't say for certain regarding the lights. I will be sure to confirm that when I retry!

Thanks for the idea.
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Is there any guide for troubleshooting MCACC errors during testing? I just upgraded to a brand new set of EMP Tek R5Bi's connected to my Pioneer VSX-521-K, and I cannot get MCACC to properly register with these new speakers. I just get this "ERR FCH" (assuming: Error Front Channel, but specific details sure would be helpful) to display on the front of the AVR.

I had gotten MCACC to work, previously, with this same AVR in this same exact room, using a real entry-level set of Polk RM-6750's (HTIB). MCACC had decided to set the Sub to -14 for those speakers.

My next upgrade is to get a new Rythmik FV15HP sub to go with those EMP Tek speakers, but before I spend any more money I sure would like to nail down exactly why I can't get a proper room calibration to work anymore...


Any help would be appreciated.

L@@k in the manual, most error codes are listed.

Verify your speaker cable connections for your front height speakers. Both at the AVR and the speaker.

Make sure you have a good tight connection and that none of the speaker wire strands are in contact with anything other than the terminal. If too long trim them. Best to use bananna plugs with heat shrink over them.

Rerun mcacc

Best to run mcacc with tv on. As it will display additional information.

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Hi guys, anyone with a VSX-823 K receiver?
I have 2 really simple question regarding MCACC on this model (as the tips in the OP do not apply for my receiver).

- EQ on or off?

And

- Should I leave the crossover at 100Hz even though my weakest speaker can handle down to 55Hz (supposedly. but even if it can't, I'm sure it handles more than 100Hz?) no matter what I do, MCACC ALWAYS sets the crossover to 100Hz. Even with different speakers. Is that the perma-default for MCACC or something?
Reason I ask in conjunction with my EQ inquiry is because I would guess that EQ takes into account the crossover setting when equalizing? So changing it AFTER the fact (and not having a way to run MCACC custom/keeping SP settings) might mess with the EQ?
I have the Andrew Jones SP-PK52FS speaker system, if that makes any difference.
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Hi guys, anyone with a VSX-823 K receiver?
I have 2 really simple question regarding MCACC on this model (as the tips in the OP do not apply for my receiver).

- EQ on or off?

And

- Should I leave the crossover at 100Hz even though my weakest speaker can handle down to 55Hz (supposedly. but even if it can't, I'm sure it handles more than 100Hz?) no matter what I do, MCACC ALWAYS sets the crossover to 100Hz. Even with different speakers. Is that the perma-default for MCACC or something?
Reason I ask in conjunction with my EQ inquiry is because I would guess that EQ takes into account the crossover setting when equalizing? So changing it AFTER the fact (and not having a way to run MCACC custom/keeping SP settings) might mess with the EQ?
I have the Andrew Jones SP-PK52FS speaker system, if that makes any difference.
Thanks!

And I really hope someone can shed a light on these 2 issues that have been bugging me since I bought the receiver a couple of years ago...
I turn my eq off on my sc97
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Hello! I have no idé about how to tweak and make my unit SC-95 sound the best in my room. Can someone give me some guidens or point me to anywhere where I can read about it. I really like this reciever but I think it sounds a little to low, like from the subs and center.

If someone could help me or maybe tell me some settings that could make it even better I would be really happy!

I'm atm using a 7.2-setup in a aparment. I have done some absorbent for first reflections and behind the speakers. The walls are concreat. Thanks!

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Hi guys, anyone with a VSX-823 K receiver?
I have 2 really simple question regarding MCACC on this model (as the tips in the OP do not apply for my receiver).

- EQ on or off?

And

- Should I leave the crossover at 100Hz even though my weakest speaker can handle down to 55Hz (supposedly. but even if it can't, I'm sure it handles more than 100Hz?) no matter what I do, MCACC ALWAYS sets the crossover to 100Hz. Even with different speakers. Is that the perma-default for MCACC or something?
Reason I ask in conjunction with my EQ inquiry is because I would guess that EQ takes into account the crossover setting when equalizing? So changing it AFTER the fact (and not having a way to run MCACC custom/keeping SP settings) might mess with the EQ?
I have the Andrew Jones SP-PK52FS speaker system, if that makes any difference.
Thanks!

And I really hope someone can shed a light on these 2 issues that have been bugging me since I bought the receiver a couple of years ago...
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IMO EQ should always be on. If you've never used it before, I strongly recommend running the calibration and then not touching it at all for at least two weeks. In my case, I didn't like the sound I heard at first, but then as time passed I noticed more detail, better imaging, and more accurate balance. It's free, so why not?

Crossover: it's your call, but again I'd let the system do all the thinking and then sit with the results for a couple of weeks. THEN you can tinker with it.

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Looking for help running the MCACC on my new sc-97. Just upgraded from my old SC-35. When I try to run the MCACC I get to the point where the mic is pliugged in and when I hit start the volumes runs down to 0 and the front panel display says "please wait". In the instructions it says if you get that message to unplug and try a minute later. I have done that several times with the same result. I even waited 20 minutes once before I moved on. During this the GUI is the screen that warns of loud tones. It also shows a count down from 60 to 0 that happens very quickly but once it gets to 0 nothing happens...

I should also note that I have yet to be able to get any sound out of the system. I get my video feed but no sound... I am using the same setup that I had with the AC-35, 5.1, no external amps, blue ray player, xfinity slave box, Apple TV, and a wii... I have gone through the trouble shoot menu for "no sound" and all those check out ok...

Thought maybe I need a firmware update, but after trying both the direct from LAN and USB options I can't get that to apply.

Thinking I might have a bad egg.
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Good day all,

Lots of questions here from new users. Those of us whom have had more time to learn, listen, and tweak our systems should jump in and share your experience and advice. I've had my SC-99 for several months now and prior to that I had the SC-95 shortly after it was released last year. Personally, I would advice anyone coming from a non-MCACC receiver to simply set aside expectations and or comparisons with their former setup, and just take some time to listen to their new Pioneer setup. From what I have read and experienced, our brain will adjust to a new sound over time much like our eyes adjust to the dark after a while.

A good way to experience what the MCACC can do, is by first setting up your system to the most basic settings. Listen to your favorite movies or music and hear what the system is or isn't doing to it. This means no EQ nor other adjustments outside of setting up the basic distance, channel levels and speaker configuration. If you are using a self-powered Subwoofer, I would say that a very large number of us would advise that you allow it to do the heavy work of reproducing the lower frequencies, even if your speakers are rated for a decently low frequency range. The idea here is that by allowing the subwoofer to work from say 80Hz down, your other speakers will struggle less (and the receiver's amps as well), and they will in turn be able to use more of the amps power to reproduce the higher frequencies with less distortion. A lot of planning and testing went into the 80Hz suggestion, and it is what THX recommends.

Once you have had a chance to listen favorite movies and or music with your speakers, in YOUR room without any EQuing or adjustments from MCACC (other than the basics mentioned above), you can then run the MCACC and listen to the difference that it makes. IF you are able to save different MCACC settings, then go ahead and do so, and then you will be able to go back and forth between the two for further comparison.

As for which MCACC setup to run (Full Auto vs Auto etc..), You can start by running the Full Auto which use all of the MCACC's features to get you the sound it believes works best based on your speakers and YOUR room. If your speakers are all different, then the MCACC will most likely set the crossover based on the speaker that is less able to reproduce lower frequencies. This will ensure that it doesn't harm that speaker by sending frequencies it cannot reproduce. One possible exception to this could be a Dolby Atmos Enabled Speaker, since it should have its own built in crossover which cuts off around 150Hz.

For my setup, since the Full Auto also adjusts full band phase among other things, I usually run that one first, then I go into the manual speaker settings and adjust the speaker sizes to small and set the crossover at 80hz. This gets me a very clean and powerful sounding system, which I then tweak with the help of two separate programs named REW and MSO. you can learn more about those two programs in different threads on this forum. But since I've already mentioned them, I will say that I use them to get the best time alignment out of my speakers and subs while using additional equipment such as as the MiniDSP.

Moving on... Here are some tips to help you get going..
1a. Read the manual for your specific AVR. much of the info in this forum comes from user who have different models than what you might have, and that could mean that not all of the settings work the same way.

1b. watch a few of the videos that Pioneer has put on Youtube, which explain how some of the MCACC feature are designed to work. You can start with this one for example:

2. Learn about speaker placement. This is key to getting the best sound out of your system. There are two key things you must keep in mind when setting up your speakers, the first is that if you position the speaker too close to a wall, it will use the walls to emphasize certain frequencies, and this can lead to your MCACC program misjudging your speaker's ability. In most cases the bass is overemphasized and your speaker might be perceived as Large even when they are not. Then second thing is that the goal of a system is to get sound from all of your speakers to the main listening position at the same time. So if your speakers are all at different distances from your sitting location, the AVR will try to calculate the distance accordingly and then adjust the timing/delay of each speaker so that the final result is sound arriving at the same time (or as close as possible).

3. Understand and remember that YOUR room is what will give the sound you hear it's "sound". A big room will make things "sound" differently than a small room. From what I have read and experienced, most of the affects of the room size and make up, will be noticed in the lower frequencies under 500Hz. Therefore, in most cases, properly adjusting the bass will make the biggest difference.

There is plenty more that I can write, but for now I believe this to be a good start.

Good luck, and most of all, enjoy your setup... you've earned it!
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I saw this workflow does anyone tried this?

If so what are your findings? I have to get my house clear of noise (kids, wife) before I can calibrate properly. So I am reading in.

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I have an SC 99 and subs powered by I Nuke pro amps. I EQ the low bass but end up with a wave FR graph. I did not have this problem with the SC 35 over the past several years. Anyone else using additional EQ like the I Nuke or Mini DSP?
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I have an SC 99 and subs.. Anyone else using additional EQ like the I Nuke or Mini DSP?
You could see my equipment list in my signature. But I do have the SVS Subs and I'm using mini DSP. I tune the subs with a combination of the REW software and MSO. In case you wondering MSO is a program that is free created by another member in this forum and it stands for multiple subwoofer optimization. Anyone with two or more subs and a miniDSP can really make use of this. For me,it was used in order perfectly time align the subs AND also it balances the sound from seat to seat so it's more consistent.
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