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Will soon be gain matching my soon to arrive second FV15HP sub with the one I already have and the guide I am using has Audyssey as an example. Audyssey EQs with test tones at 75db, making the desired gain matched subs outputting combined gain of 75db at MLP. Can anyone here tell me what db level MCACC uses during auto calibration? I have a Pioneer VSX-44 which I believe is the basic MCACC.

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Combined gain will be higher (otherwise polarity is wrong).
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Combined gain will be higher (otherwise polarity is wrong).
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Right according to the guide - you want the output db for each sub (with mic at distance of 11% of cone diameter, so little less than 2" for 15" cone), to be same such that the combine output of both is 75db at MLP, for Audyssey. The reason is that when Audyssey runs its test tones, it does so at a volume of 75db. So my question was, what is the db volume at which MCACC outputs test tones during auto-calibration?
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I recently purchased in 801 I'm using it in a 7.1.4 configuration my question is when my height 2 speakers are set to rear high Will they produce Dolby atmos affects. I have always had onkyo receivers so the MCACC stuff is new so far I am really enjoying


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Has anyone had an issue running avnavigator 2013 on their mac? I can not open the MCACC appi to view the graphs of my speaker readings. I connect to my receiver, I can download the file, but when I click on MCACC appi it just does not open.
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The AVR is one of these?
Compatible AV receiver models (as of August 2013):
USA/Canada : SC-79, SC-77, SC-75, SC-1523, SC-1528, SC-72,
SC-1323, SC-1328, SC-71, SC-1223, SC-1228, VSX-70, VSX-1123,
VSX-1128, VSX-1028
South-America : SC-LX87, SC-LX77, SC-LX57, VSX-1123, VSX-923
Europe : SC-LX87, SC-LX77, SC-LX57, SC-2023, SC-1223,
VSX-1123, VSX-923
Asean : SC-LX87, SC-LX77, SC-LX57, SC-2023, SC-1223, VSX-1123,
VSX-923
Oceania : SC-LX87, SC-LX77, SC-LX57, SC-2023, SC-1223, VSX-1123,
VSX-923
Middle-East : SC-LX87, SC-LX77, SC-LX57, SC-2023, SC-1223, VSX-1123, VSX-923
East-Asia : SC-LX87, SC-LX77, SC-LX57, SC-1223, VSX-1123, VSX-923
Supported Mac OS: OS X 10.7 / 10.8

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Will they produce Dolby atmos affects
You will not be able to decode the Atmos information, but the AVR will generate sounds for those speakers, so you'll get "effects," just not Atmos.

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The AVR is one of these?
Compatible AV receiver models (as of August 2013):
USA/Canada : SC-79, SC-77, SC-75, SC-1523, SC-1528, SC-72,
SC-1323, SC-1328, SC-71, SC-1223, SC-1228, VSX-70, VSX-1123,
VSX-1128, VSX-1028
South-America : SC-LX87, SC-LX77, SC-LX57, VSX-1123, VSX-923
Europe : SC-LX87, SC-LX77, SC-LX57, SC-2023, SC-1223,
VSX-1123, VSX-923
Asean : SC-LX87, SC-LX77, SC-LX57, SC-2023, SC-1223, VSX-1123,
VSX-923
Oceania : SC-LX87, SC-LX77, SC-LX57, SC-2023, SC-1223, VSX-1123,
VSX-923
Middle-East : SC-LX87, SC-LX77, SC-LX57, SC-2023, SC-1223, VSX-1123, VSX-923
East-Asia : SC-LX87, SC-LX77, SC-LX57, SC-1223, VSX-1123, VSX-923
Supported Mac OS: OS X 10.7 / 10.8
Yes. It's the SC-75.
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And the mac OS version?
(Can't help you beyond that, I'm afraid; I have a VSX-1121)
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And the mac OS version?
(Can't help you beyond that, I'm afraid; I have a VSX-1121)
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Yep. Downloaded it directly from the SC-75's page. MCACC appi will open for a second and then shut down.
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You will not be able to decode the Atmos information, but the AVR will generate sounds for those speakers, so you'll get "effects," just not Atmos.


So if I have them set to top rear they should work for atmos information?


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Is it this one?
http://www.pioneer-audiovisual.eu/eu...ducts/sc-lx801
If so, it is Atmos capable and will calibrate and generate the appropriate sounds in your height speakers.
Sorry, I had trouble finding the exact model with the info you provided.
There's a forum for them here:
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...receviers.html
and MCACC info here:
"OFFICIAL" Pioneer MCACC thread
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Yes that's the receiver I've looked through the thread so I just wanted to make sure


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Thanks for the great info


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Will soon be gain matching my soon to arrive second FV15HP sub with the one I already have and the guide I am using has Audyssey as an example. Audyssey EQs with test tones at 75db, making the desired gain matched subs outputting combined gain of 75db at MLP. Can anyone here tell me what db level MCACC uses during auto calibration? I have a Pioneer VSX-44 which I believe is the basic MCACC.

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Sorry if this has been asked, but haven't seen an answer through the first 20 pages or so. My SC-75 sets each speakers level between -4 and -8. I have a very large living room so I have to crank it up to like -15 for a movie and if I use airplay, I have to turn it up louder. If I raise the individual channel levels, or the system level, it seems like it would take some stress off of having to turn the amp up really loud. If it does, does it matter whether I do it after MCACC has calibrated everything or should it be done after the first MCACC and I'm changing my speakers to small, because it defaults to high? Would it have an effect if it's done after? Thanks.
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Sorry if this has been asked, but haven't seen an answer through the first 20 pages or so. My SC-75 sets each speakers level between -4 and -8. I have a very large living room so I have to crank it up to like -15 for a movie and if I use airplay, I have to turn it up louder. If I raise the individual channel levels, or the system level, it seems like it would take some stress off of having to turn the amp up really loud. If it does, does it matter whether I do it after MCACC has calibrated everything or should it be done after the first MCACC and I'm changing my speakers to small, because it defaults to high? Would it have an effect if it's done after? Thanks.
Raising the channel levels will do the exact same thing as increasing the volume as far as the amps are concerned. As long as you're not exceeding 0 db volume limit and not hearing distortion then my opinion is to not worry about the number showing on the screen.

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Raising the channel levels will do the exact same thing as increasing the volume as far as the amps are concerned. As long as you're not exceeding 0 db volume limit and not hearing distortion then my opinion is to not worry about the number showing on the screen.
Thanks. By 0 db volume limit, you mean 0 on the receiver? I know it can go louder, but I've never had to turn it up that loud.
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Thanks. By 0 db volume limit, you mean 0 on the receiver? I know it can go louder, but I've never had to turn it up that loud.
Yep, 0 on the receiver, as long as you're not going past that and don't hear any distortion you're fine. Just make sure the receiver isn't getting too hot and has plenty of ventilation since you're running it at higher power.

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Yep, 0 on the receiver, as long as you're not going past that and don't hear any distortion you're fine. Just make sure the receiver isn't getting too hot and has plenty of ventilation since you're running it at higher power.

Thanks. So now I don't have to worry so much about the wife turning it up when she's cleaning. Ventilation isn't a problem. I built my home entertainment center because most of what I saw was way overpriced and I felt the receiver wasn't being given enough room to breath.
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Don't know if this has been posted because I'm reading through the thread. The occasional factory reset of the device might be necessary to properly erase previous settings. For some reason, my cd changer wouldn't not play the other day, so I reset the receiver. I figure the wife or kids did something turning it on. My reasoning for needing the reset to erase previous settings is when I first got the receiver I had inverted the wires on my left side surround speaker. I corrected it but the receiver kept saying it was reversed so I skipped the retry setting. I've had to recalibrate the system a few times in the year and a half I've had it and now after finding this thread followed the procedure. The receiver always said the left surround was reversed. After the reset, it did not. It recognized everything as properly connected for the first time. Just an observation, I wanted to pass along.
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Hi, I just got a VSX-S520 for my bedroom and when I ran mcacc it did not eq any speakers. It level, distance adjusted, but that's it.

Is there mcacc versions that are 'lite'?

I have the option to go in and manually adjust the eq of each speaker, but can find any auto eq options.
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So do I have to do a reverb measurement for the first three presets since one is Symmetry, one Front Align and I forget the third or is doing it for the first one goof for all three? I figure the reverb for Memory 1 will be fine for 4,5 and 6 because they're copies of 1. It's just setting the different delays. Thanks everyone.
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Hi, I just got a VSX-S520 for my bedroom and when I ran mcacc it did not eq any speakers. It level, distance adjusted, but that's it.

Is there mcacc versions that are 'lite'?

I have the option to go in and manually adjust the eq of each speaker, but can find any auto eq options.
Page 17 of the Users Manual has this:

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1. Full Auto MCACC
Place the supplied speaker setup microphone in the listening position, measure the test tones emitted by the speakers, then the unit automatically sets the optimum volume level for each speaker, the crossover frequencies, and the distance from the listening position. This also automatically adjusts the equalizers for the speakers and enables correction of distortion caused by the acoustic environment of the room.

Seems like it should do the job... Note "front align" does not EQ the front speakers.

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So do I have to do a reverb measurement for the first three presets since one is Symmetry, one Front Align and I forget the third or is doing it for the first one goof for all three? I figure the reverb for Memory 1 will be fine for 4,5 and 6 because they're copies of 1. It's just setting the different delays. Thanks everyone.
If it works the same as my ancient SC-27 one is good for all -- it automagically creates the three presets from the Full Auto MCACC measurement.

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After a single calibration is performed, each of the
following three correction curves can be stored
separately in the MCACC memory. SYMMETRY (default)
implements symmetric correction for each pair of left
and right speakers to flatten the frequency-amplitude
characteristics. ALL CH ADJ is a ‘flat’ setting where all
the speakers are set individually so no special weighting
is given to any one channel. FRONT ALIGN sets all
speakers in accordance with the front speaker settings
(no equalization is applied to the front left and right
channels).

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If it works the same as my ancient SC-27 one is good for all -- it automagically creates the three presets from the Full Auto MCACC measurement.
Let me rephrase because I may not have said it in the way I wanted it to understood. I know it automatically does the three different tests and puts them in three different presets. After that is done, we do a reverb measurement with the EQ off. That reverb will work for preset 1, 4, 5 and 6 because 4,5 and 6 are copies of one and it's to experiment with different delays. Since preset 2 is All Channel Adjust and preset 3 is Front Align, will I need to do a separate reverb measurement for preset 2 and 3? My concern is that a reverb measurement for symmetry may be a little different from a reverb measurement for All Channel Adjust or Front Align. Am I overanalyzing it, or not as knowledgable on MCAAC as I think I am?
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Hmmm... I do not really know. There is only one set of measurements taken in a normal run, and all the coefficients are calculated from that data, so I suspect you do not need to repeat. I think the reverb results for each speaker are saved in just one place, and then used for whatever processing you select, but I do not really know, sorry.

Guess you could just do it both ways and check the response to verify.

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Hmmm... I do not really know. There is only one set of measurements taken in a normal run, and all the coefficients are calculated from that data, so I suspect you do not need to repeat. I think the reverb results for each speaker are saved in just one place, and then used for whatever processing you select, but I do not really know, sorry.

Guess you could just do it both ways and check the response to verify.
I just noticed that when doing the EQ and you can select the delay time, it lets you pick between the Symmetry, All Channel Adjust and Front Align so I set two to All Channel and three to Front Align, since that was how it MCAAC did it.
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New question...

After resetting my Pioneer VSX-821-k back to factory settings and then carefully completing the MCACC setup process, the MCACC light now stays lit all the time. That never used to happen. Is this normal or not?

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Anyone know if the SC-67 are capable of an atmos update?

If not, anyone running 5.2.4 without an atmos capable receiver?

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Anyone know if the SC-67 are capable of an atmos update?

If not, anyone running 5.2.4 without an atmos capable receiver?

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The SC-67 will never, ever, get the Atmos update. I use a Denon 4520CI in another room, in a 7.4.2 setup (.2 is actually the back surrounds on ceiling), with DTS Neo X or Audyssey DSX modes. They sound great (it is a grreaaat receiver), but the Atmos and DTS:X are superior.
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