Originally Posted by StuBerger
I wish my room was a better suited room for HT as well as audio! I have been racking my brains to find the BEST solution but with the room and my wife it's seeming like a impossible task!
First problem is actually the fronts...I noticed with my older speakers if I set the fronts further way from the LP and the TV...when I watched Rambo, there is a part near the beginning where the guards are letting some prisoners get off the trucks to have them run in a field with mines...when I moved the speakers farther towards the side walls, it sounded odd like the people were too far away from where they really were...and I tried toe-in to compensate for that but to no avail...that is why I am worried about moving the speakers further away from the TV to the side walls...would the new Klipch's be different?
I have read and looked at NUMEROUS "rules" and "suggestions" on proper front speaker placement...the problems I have with these are:
1. The room is very narrow...which kills a few theories and rules like:
The Golden Rule...You times the room width by .276 to find where the fronts should be away from side wall and times the room width by .447 for where the fronts should be away from the back wall... The first one is fine since it shows the fronts almost where I have mine now (3'+) however the way my room is with openings and furniture the ladder is impoosible since I can't put my speakers 5'+ out from the front wall!
2. The problem with the sound field like I stated above with the Rambo movie! Which is also a problem placing the sub between the fronts and center channel!
3. The DTS rule that the fronts should be between 45 degree to 60 degree angle from the LP which again would place them further away from the TV which again would run into the realism of sound field like the Rambo movie scene! And one of the fronts would wind up in the hallway near that large opening!
The subs...which I haven't heard too much "boomyness" could be moved (which I would hate to do but want the best sound) but if I moved one in front between the center and front the soundfield issue comes up again and where would I put the second one in back...as you look at my pics..I have an opening going into a kitchen with just a foot and a half of wall space..couldn't put a sub there...and the only two places I could put a sub in the rear would be either in the middle(which would block a HVAC vent) or in the far corner on the right side.
If I could move the front sub in between the center and front where would be a ideal place then to put the rear sub concerning my room?
Is there a way to fix the sound problem with the fronts so I could move them further away from the TV? It really bothered me when I had them apart and only noticed it when I watched that scene from Rambo...the people were getting out of the trucks and were right to the left of the screen but you could see them but it sounded like they were way to far to the left of the screen like in another part of the picture you couldn't see! I am sure that is due to both the size of the TV (52") and the room and speaker placement!
I also noticed that some suggest that dual subs can be both upfront and is better than one in front and one in the rear but they should be placed 1/4 of the room width...my room is 11'...so that would put them right where my fronts would be if I moved them...arggghhhhh
And I know both subs shouldn't be on the same wall like front right and back right...
The only thing I could think of that could be a possibility would be moving one sub from the far right corner in towards the LP but keep it on that same wall...hug the wall but about 4' from the front wall....but where could I move the other...middle back would block a AC vent...the far opposite wall has a opening to another oom with only a foot and a half of wall there...the other wall would be the same wall the front is on since I couldn't move the front sub to the opposite wall due to opening and loveseat. The only other places would be opposite the main couch but that would not give too much room to walk between the wall/sub and the couch...(remember room is narrow) or put it on the rear wall just before the vent and the wall with the opening!
What to do????
Hi Stu, sorry for slow reply, busy weekend
I agree and disagree with Stew, it is just a living room, but, it's your living room and you want the best sound you can get. There are comprises to be made, but, you still want to get the best you can with what you have.
The thing I think you are worrying about too much are the formulae for the perfect listening sound. Everybody has different situations, different furniture, floors, carpets, room shapes etc. etc. Forget the maths for a few minutes and swap the subs and the front speakers.
Then you run MCACC exactly like it says on the front of this thread. Go for all channel adjust. MCACC should solve all the distance problems and make sounds come from the proper locations. Just follow the steps along, don't sweat the comprehension for the first few tries. I tried to understand it all first, but, when I used the guides and did the MCACC runs a few times, understanding dawned on me
Just a note on following the steps at the front of this thread, for your situation, In step 2 I would set all the speakers to small and the crossover to 80. I know you said earlier that your speakers go down to 33hz, but, your subs should be more capable of producing low frequencies.