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post #1471 of 5669 Old 10-24-2010, 08:10 PM
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Ok, well, it appears as though a few things may be going on here...

For one, I am getting no subwoofer action in my speakers no matter what I play a CD or a blu-ray...

And two, for some reason when I played a blu-ray it did not switch over to allow for HD audio...


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Ok, well, it appears as though a few things may be going on here...

For one, I am getting no subwoofer action in my speakers no matter what I play a CD or a blu-ray...

And two, for some reason when I played a blu-ray it did not switch over to allow for HD audio...


I think sgupta is going to be your best friend with regards to your powered speaker dilemma (he was going through the same thing recently). As far as your other issue, are you saying that the receiver did not automatically switch to lossless audio? If so, the receiver remembers the last mode you used for each sound format. So, if you use THX Select2 Cinema mode for a DD 5.1 (lossy) format, it will use that as the default. In your case, when you play a Blu-Ray in, say, DTS-HD MA, and you select the Standard Surround mode of DTS-HD MA, it should remember that and use it as the default when it receives that format. Many Blu-Ray discs, however, do not default to the lossless codec and you have to switch it manually, which could also be the issue.
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If your "Cross-over" is the one in the AVR and the Low-pass filter is the one in the sub, then your setting is incorrect, you're applying two filters on the low frequencies, which is not a good thing and is probably the cause for the SW +10db.

On the sub itself, either turn off the low-pass filter completely if you can, or set it's low-pass filter to the highest value it can go.

Also, I suggest you try setting the AVR cross-over at 80 Hz first.

Once those two changes are made, re-run the MCACC.

Hope this helps, let us know the results!

Dan.

I am yet to try this and let you know soon. Meanwhile I did another change to see what happens.

As suggested, I have turned the volume in Subwoofer to 80% then I rerun the calibration where I noticed there is considerable better difference in the output. What I used to get volume ouput at -20 db it is outputting at -30 db level itself.Also I see it is more in sync and has better effect. After the calibration, this is where it stands now.

I also kept the mic in better position this time in top of the stick ( close to tripod ) instead of keeping it on the stool.

Also calibration changed the crossover settings to 150HZ from where I setup as 100 HZ. I think as Tallnick suggested, I may keep that way.

L +4.5db
R +2.5 db
C +4.0db
SR +3.0 db
SL -1.5 db
SW -1.5 db
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What kind of problem, bsoko2?
Installing or getting it to communicate?

As far as the software for 2.2.. here is the system requirements:

Requirements for using the application on your PC
The computer must be a PC functioning with one of the following operating systems: Microsoft®
Windows® Vista Home Basic/Home Premium/Ultimate SP1, Windows® XP Professional/Home Edition
SP3 or Windows® 2000 Professional SP4.

The monitor must have a display resolution of 800 x 600 dots (SVGA) or greater.
An RS-232C port connector is necessary for graphical output. Refer to the PC's operating instructions
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Does anyone know if there is a Windows 7 version of Advanced MCACC PC software? Or do these versions work on Windows 7.

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I think sgupta is going to be your best friend with regards to your powered speaker dilemma (he was going through the same thing recently). As far as your other issue, are you saying that the receiver did not automatically switch to lossless audio? If so, the receiver remembers the last mode you used for each sound format. So, if you use THX Select2 Cinema mode for a DD 5.1 (lossy) format, it will use that as the default. In your case, when you play a Blu-Ray in, say, DTS-HD MA, and you select the Standard Surround mode of DTS-HD MA, it should remember that and use it as the default when it receives that format. Many Blu-Ray discs, however, do not default to the lossless codec and you have to switch it manually, which could also be the issue.

Yeah, these speakers with sub built in must act a bit differently than regular speakers, especially when connected via speaker wire only (as you can do it that way; OR with the LFE channel; with my Pioneer my LFE channel wasn't working, so I was using speaker wire only).

Also, I originally wasn't seeing lossless either, and found out my Blu Ray player (Sony BDP-S770) had a "mix" setting enabled by default for interactive secondary audio. Apparently that particular player can't handle lossless + interactive audio, so turning that control off got DTS HD Hi-Res working.
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Ok, well, it appears as though a few things may be going on here...

For one, I am getting no subwoofer action in my speakers no matter what I play a CD or a blu-ray...

And two, for some reason when I played a blu-ray it did not switch over to allow for HD audio...


If I recall correctly, you're hooked up with speaker wire only, correct? This won't allow you to run the subwoofer "test tone" as that relies on the LFE, but you should still be feeling bass coming through a strong movie or bassy soundtrack.

- Are your front speakers being set to Large by MCACC? (If not, try setting them manually).

- Is Subwoofer set to OFF in MCACC? As it needs to be if you're running them as full range with no LFE.

- If your speakers have powered subs, make sure they're plugged in. After doing some rearranging, I found my right sub wasn't working, and it turned out the plug (underneath the base of the speaker) had slipped out, but the cord management made it seem like it was still connected.

- If you need to verify your subs are working, even if you don't want to use it down the road, try using an RCA cable and making the LFE connection (either individually or with a splitter) if your subs support it. This should let you use test tones and at least verify your subs are working. Running LFE is not entirely necessary, but it does have a few advantages (and should also mean you don't have to turn the LFE knob to max anymore).
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I wonder how much difference these auto calibration routines make? Obviously if there is a situation with mismatched speakers or placement I can see it making an improvement.

But say I have 5 identical speakers in close to ideal position in a normal living room, and receiver is set to defaults. How much difference in sound would I notice after running MCACC/Audyssey?
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in a perfect room, with perfect setup, they wouldn't be "necessary"...

but very few "living rooms" are "perfect rooms"... in reality, very few "dedicated rooms" are "perfect rooms"...

at the very least, the auto level setting and time delay setting are pretty much invaluable to most people... i bet not 1% out of the "normal population" even knows what a spl meter is, let alone actually has one...

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Anybody - I dropped the mic to my SC-37 and it doesn't work properly anymore. Pioneer is backordered a month on getting a new one to me. Does anybody have a suggestion on what might work. Tried a mic from a '94 and it was terrible on the treble. I have a SMS-1 and was wondering about using that mic but no adapter that I can find to go from XLR to mic jack. Is there anyone near me in Olympia that I could borrow SC series mic to calibrate my system.

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XLR->RCA->mono 1/8 and you might be good.

It's my understanding that you can use any mic

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XLR->RCA->mono 1/8 and you might be good.

It's my understanding that you can use any mic

Tried a mic from the Pio '94 and it was terrible.
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Hello all. I am looking to get a new AVR for my bedroom setup, which is 2.1. Does MCACC work fine for a 2.1 setup? I apologize if this has been talked about before, I searched 2.1 and stereo and didn't really see anything about 2.1 setups.
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Tried a mic from the Pio '94 and it was terrible.

Any cheap mic will limit your results. Pioneer is a great brand buy the mic they give you is free.

Picture without sound is surveillance.
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Can I set my speakers to small and still set my sub x over to around 60? I think my center sounds a little light to me, if they are x ed & 80. Thanks
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you could set them xover to 50 if you like and give that a shot...

dunno how much it's gonna help the "lightness" of your center channel though...

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when you guys talk about MCACC letting the user determine the sub EQ settings, how do you do that? I went through the whole thing and didn't find where I could tweak the sub EQ settings, just distance, level, and x-over freq... when you "tweak the sub settings" are those the only settings you are tweaking??

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that would be all you can set for the sub... distance and trim level...

i think when people say "tinker with the sub eq", they are indicating that they are using some type of external equalizer (bfd, sms-1, svs-aq, etc) for their sub...

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would adjusting the standing wave filter settings on the sw be considered another adjustment beside the ones you mentioned?

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yup. good catch there...

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yup. good catch there...

That was my question up a few pages...I heard that the Standing Wave really shouldn't be used on a quality sub...is this true?

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no, not true. standing waves are a function of the room.

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hi everyone, i just upgraded (I thought) my front speakers from HTD Middy Compact Speakers to Polk Monitor 60 II . I'm using a JBL PSW1000 sub. I ran the MCACC, change all speaker to small and re-ran MCACC. But I could not tell any sound improvement, its lacking some punch or something. I want to hear glass when its broken. Could someone give me a little advice on which one to adjust to start with? Thanks.


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thanks meg, appreciate it...

let's start by making sure that your microphone positioning is correct... here is a link to some instructions on that...

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also make sure it's as quiet as possible when you run it...

try that and see what you get...

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thanks meg, appreciate it...

let's start by making sure that your microphone positioning is correct... here is a link to some instructions on that...

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also make sure it's as quiet as possible when you run it...

try that and see what you get...

I don't fully agree with the instructions. You can do a manual fine tune to the distance and db for better accuracy. I do it after MCACC has done it's thing. Sometimes MCACC is dead one and other times a few of the speakers are off from what manual fine tuning gives you.
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good for you...

why don't we get meg started in the right direction FIRST, then we can move on to fine tuning?

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Hey, all of you MCACC tweakers...have a great Halloween...BOO!

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