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I am planning to get Parasound Halo Amps for my 7.2.4 Atmos in my new HT, so i would really appreciate if you could suggest a good compo from Parasound.

my Triad speakers are as follow:
- 3 x Inwall Gold LCR (front speakers)
- 4 x Inwall Silver LCR (surround and rear speakers)
- 4 x InCeiling Bronze LCR (Heights)
- 2 x InRoom Gold Subs (with their own Rackamps)

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Cables: 12 AWG cl2/cl3 from monster for all the speakers + 13 x XLR for pre and & amp connections
Pre/Pro: Marantz AV7702.


I was thinking like: 1 x A31 for mains, & 2 x A51 for effect speakers. but not sure if this is good mix or not.


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I would consider the following:
A31 for LCR's
A51 for side and back surrounds (one channel not used)
Two A23's for the four Atmos speakers.

Cheapest method, but most power connections would be:
A31 for LCR's
Four A23's for everything else.

Not quite as much power to the surround speakers, but it does have one advantage, if you lose an amp channel causing you to remove an amp, you have only lost two channels and not as expensive to replace. Anyway, if we can help you, give us a call.
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Cheapest method, but most power connections would be:
A31 for LCR's
Four A23's for everything else.

Not quite as much power to the surround speakers, but it does have one advantage, if you lose an amp channel causing you to remove an amp, you have only lost two channels and not as expensive to replace. Anyway, if we can help you, give us a call.
Great, it seems A31 + A23s is the way to go then,,

Thanks for your feedback.
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I use an A23 for my back surrounds and an A51 for my front speakers...the A23 will be perfectly fine for Atmos (and probably overkill). I actually contemplated getting the 12-channel Z-amp (The ZoneMaster Model 1250) from Parasound and bridging the channels into 6 zones and use 4 of them for Atmos and the other two for my backyard (or don't bridge the other 4 channels and put some speakers in my garage

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I use an A23 for my back surrounds and an A51 for my front speakers...the A23 will be perfectly fine for Atmos (and probably overkill). I actually contemplated getting the 12-channel Z-amp (The ZoneMaster Model 1250) from Parasound and bridging the channels into 6 zones and use 4 of them for Atmos and the other two for my backyard (or don't bridge the other 4 channels and put some speakers in my garage

http://www.gspr.com/parasound/zonemaster1250.html
Yeah I thought of getting A51 for the front and surround speakers, but I have heard A31 is kinda better than A51, so i decided to get A31 for the mains, and the remaining shall be A23s
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Yeah I thought of getting A51 for the front and surround speakers, but I have heard A31 is kinda better than A51, so i decided to get A31 for the mains, and the remaining shall be A23s
I know the A21 is a step above the A31/51 but that is the first I have heard a possible difference between the A31 and A51. What is that based on or where did you hear that?
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I know the A21 is a step above the A31/51 but that is the first I have heard a possible difference between the A31 and A51. What is that based on or where did you hear that?
What i meant here is not the amp build or quality, what I meant here and i am not sure if it is quite true or not, is that the less channels amp is usually the better option.

this means A21 is better than A31. and then JC1 is even better than A21.

that's all,

and by the way, when you said A21 is a step above A31/51, this is for music only or even in movies?

because if it is even better in movies, would this be a better option for me (as i have not placed my order yet) : A21 for front L/R, A31 for Center & Side Surrounds, and then A23s for the remaining 6 rear and height speakers?

or just stick to A31 for mains, and A23s for the effect speakers!
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What i meant here is not the amp build or quality, what I meant here and i am not sure if it is quite true or not, is that the less channels amp is usually the better option.

this means A21 is better than A31. and then JC1 is even better than A21.

that's all,

and by the way, when you said A21 is a step above A31/51, this is for music only or even in movies?

because if it is even better in movies, would this be a better option for me (as i have not placed my order yet) : A21 for front L/R, A31 for Center & Side Surrounds, and then A23s for the remaining 6 rear and height speakers?

or just stick to A31 for mains, and A23s for the effect speakers!

I use an A21 for the mains because it handles the heat better when playing 2-channel. It has a bigger power supply and better cooling (more surface area) when cranking 2-channel music. I had an A51 and I could watch movies at the maximum volume I found comfortable and the amp never got hot.
The Salons can take a handle power and I run them full range.

The A31 is used for my center and surrounds the amps is probably running class-A 99% of the time.

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What i meant here is not the amp build or quality, what I meant here and i am not sure if it is quite true or not, is that the less channels amp is usually the better option.

this means A21 is better than A31. and then JC1 is even better than A21.

that's all,

and by the way, when you said A21 is a step above A31/51, this is for music only or even in movies?

because if it is even better in movies, would this be a better option for me (as i have not placed my order yet) : A21 for front L/R, A31 for Center & Side Surrounds, and then A23s for the remaining 6 rear and height speakers?

or just stick to A31 for mains, and A23s for the effect speakers!
The A21 is a slightly different design than the A31/51 to my understanding. For music I would recommend the A21 /A31 combo but for movies not sure it would matter assuming all speakers are crossed over to a sub (s).
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The A21 is a slightly different design than the A31/51 to my understanding. For music I would recommend the A21 /A31 combo but for movies not sure it would matter assuming all speakers are crossed over to a sub (s).
Yeah this is what i think exactly, so most likely I will go with A31 for mains and A23s for the effect speakers.
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I use an A21 for the mains because it handles the heat better when playing 2-channel. It has a bigger power supply and better cooling (more surface area) when cranking 2-channel music. I had an A51 and I could watch movies at the maximum volume I found comfortable and the amp never got hot.
The Salons can take a handle power and I run them full range.

The A31 is used for my center and surrounds the amps is probably running class-A 99% of the time.

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So if music is not a priority to me and only movies + HDTV, then A31 & A23s would be the way to go
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So if music is not a priority to me and only movies + HDTV, then A31 & A23s would be the way to go

That would do nicely.


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Quick question, as I am planning to order an AV Rack from MD, and since I will have 5 Amps from Parasound which will be placed on the top, is it wise to leave 1-2 U between each Amp even if i will have a thermal mgt.? or no need for spaces with cooling system in place?

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Quick question, as I am planning to order an AV Rack from MD, and since I will have 5 Amps from Parasound which will be placed on the top, is it wise to leave 1-2 U between each Amp even if i will have a thermal mgt.? or no need for spaces with cooling system in place?
Is MD Music Direct (the store) or something else? It might be helpful to include a link to the rack you're thinking of getting. But a couple of general comments... If you're planning on putting the amps across the top shelf of a wide rack, I don't think you need to worry too much about having much space between them because the heat will have plenty of room to escape vertically. If you're talking about a rack mount system that's 1 component wide, then you'll probably want to have at least 2 rack spaces between each amp vertically, but the amount of space needed will vary a bit depending on which specific amps you're talking about (JC-1's, for example, run pretty hot). Finally, if you are talking about a free standing rack mount system that's 1 component wide, I'd suggest putting heavy things like the amps lower in the rack rather than at the top for stability reasons.
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Is MD Music Direct (the store) or something else? It might be helpful to include a link to the rack you're thinking of getting. But a couple of general comments... If you're planning on putting the amps across the top shelf of a wide rack, I don't think you need to worry too much about having much space between them because the heat will have plenty of room to escape vertically. If you're talking about a rack mount system that's 1 component wide, then you'll probably want to have at least 2 rack spaces between each amp vertically, but the amount of space needed will vary a bit depending on which specific amps you're talking about (JC-1's, for example, run pretty hot). Finally, if you are talking about a free standing rack mount system that's 1 component wide, I'd suggest putting heavy things like the amps lower in the rack rather than at the top for stability reasons.
Thanks for your reply, it was a typo, i meant MA, middle atlantic, so I am planning to get WR Series: http://www.middleatlantic.com/produc.../wr-44-32.aspx

- it will be inside the wall, with a thermal mgt (cooling fan) on the top and vent panel in the bottom
- I will have the following from Prasound 1x A31 & 4x A23,

so should I leave 2U between each amp? and use blank panels in between to allow better air circulation ?
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Thanks for your reply, it was a typo, i meant MA, middle atlantic, so I am planning to get WR Series: http://www.middleatlantic.com/produc.../wr-44-32.aspx

- it will be inside the wall, with a thermal mgt (cooling fan) on the top and vent panel in the bottom
- I will have the following from Prasound 1x A31 & 4x A23,

so should I leave 2U between each amp? and use blank panels in between to allow better air circulation ?
I'd suggest asking Parasound for what they recommend, but 2U (3.5") above each amp is probably sufficient. Go with ventilated panels, which will allow air to flow through.
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I'd suggest asking Parasound for what they recommend, but 2U (3.5") above each amp is probably sufficient. Go with ventilated panels, which will allow air to flow through.
Thanks for your feedback,

Sure will check with them
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T h at is what I did. I had my A23 with vented 2u blanks between them. I had an A52 with the same. Mine was an opened back rack with no fans. This was backed up into an equipment closet that is approximately 5'×4'. The fronts were all facing my theater.
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Thanks for your reply, it was a typo, i meant MA, middle atlantic, so I am planning to get WR Series: http://www.middleatlantic.com/produc.../wr-44-32.aspx

- it will be inside the wall, with a thermal mgt (cooling fan) on the top and vent panel in the bottom
- I will have the following from Prasound 1x A31 & 4x A23,

so should I leave 2U between each amp? and use blank panels in between to allow better air circulation ?
This seems sufficient. They will go into protect mode if it gets too hot but I seriously doubt that you will have any issues. Use vented blanks for sure.
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This seems sufficient. They will go into protect mode if it gets too hot but I seriously doubt that you will have any issues. Use vented blanks for sure.
Thanks for your reply, so i use vented panels instead of blank panels and no fans required?

because as per MA, if I use thermal Mgt, on the top, then i need at least to keep 6-8 U below with blank panels in order to ensure a better air circulation. but with vented panels, i think then the air circulation wont be effective. unless i got the point wrong.


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That is what I did. I had my A23 with vented 2u blanks between them. I had an A52 with the same. Mine was an opened back rack with no fans. This was backed up into an equipment closet that is approximately 5'×4'. The fronts were all facing my theater.
i will also have an open rack, but i am playing it safe and will install a fan on the top.
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So I stopped by a local dealer and managed to get a listen to an A21 and see an A23. I didn't realize the 23 is so large.

Anyway I'm leaning towards the 21. Good news is he's going to try and work something out so I can demo at home for a short while.

Any inputs on what I can expect or listen for in terms of sound.

What about any price discount? I know prices were raised back in the spring.
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i will also have an open rack, but i am playing it safe and will install a fan on the top.
If you are doing a fan top rack, then it should be enclosed with vents only at the bottom. That way, cool air is drawn in from the bottom as all the hot air is pulled out the top. Keeps a constant stream of cool air to the units.
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So I stopped by a local dealer and managed to get a listen to an A21 and see an A23. I didn't realize the 23 is so large.

Anyway I'm leaning towards the 21. Good news is he's going to try and work something out so I can demo at home for a short while.

Any inputs on what I can expect or listen for in terms of sound.

What about any price discount? I know prices were raised back in the spring.
In terms of sound, one of the first things I noticed was the silky job it does with vocals. If you are familiar with some music where the voice is the main thing and just a few instruments. What speakers are you running and amp? Do you notice any weaknesses at present? You might want to key in on those areas too. For me I loved the imaging, and noticed that highs were handled better than the old amp. Please share your impressions!
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In terms of sound, one of the first things I noticed was the silky job it does with vocals. If you are familiar with some music where the voice is the main thing and just a few instruments. What speakers are you running and amp? Do you notice any weaknesses at present? You might want to key in on those areas too. For me I loved the imaging, and noticed that highs were handled better than the old amp. Please share your impressions!
I also noticed that my highs were more refined. I would say more crisp. If you know what I mean. I love my A21, trying to talk myself out of grabbing two JC1's right now!!
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I also noticed that my highs were more refined. I would say more crisp. If you know what I mean. I love my A21, trying to talk myself out of grabbing two JC1's right now!!
I have to ask if you guys are using audyssey? Seems that audyssey would eliminate some of the benefits of a better class of amplifier by trimming those highs off, etc.

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I have to ask if you guys are using audyssey? Seems that audyssey would eliminate some of the benefits of a better class of amplifier by trimming those highs off, etc.
I am not an owner yet, but I may be soon....

i am also curious if those of you using a solid amp like this are all using pres or are any of you running the parasound to supplement something like a high end receiver. I am looking to add a power amp to my 5.2 setup which I currently run on a sr7009 (all B&W CM - CM10, CMC2, CM5) and dual SVS SB2000s). I have no complaints about the sr7009 but I do find Audyssey to be a fickle beast and when you add to that trying to work in a solid crossover to my subs from the CM10s - I am left thinking that something like a A21 could really make my CM10s sing. Especially since I am 90 percent music much of which is in stereo. I am dabbling in multichannel though - just picked up Immersion Box Set of Dark Side of the Moon which is quite nice.

but I am using Audyssey on and off and because i dont always have the same resolution or type of source as my input I find it to be a bit of a PITA.

BTW - those who have a A21 or a JC-1 did you buy those internet direct or from a local dealer? Not a lot of dealers in my area have that kind of equipment around and keep trying to push me towards a rotel cause of my B&Ws but I dont want to buy an amp just because they are sister companies....

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BTW - those who have a A21 or a JC-1 did you buy those internet direct or from a local dealer? Not a lot of dealers in my area have that kind of equipment around and keep trying to push me towards a rotel cause of my B&Ws but I dont want to buy an amp just because they are sister companies....
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I have to ask if you guys are using audyssey? Seems that audyssey would eliminate some of the benefits of a better class of amplifier by trimming those highs off, etc.
I do not use Audyssey for music. If my prepro had the option to leave my mains alone I might.
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For those using the A31 / A51, how does it sound? I may also consider the A52, but it seems to be out of production..
I like the Marantz sound - fluid, smooth and warm, but they don't make power amps > 200W per channel and they use fans...
I like the Parasound build quality and they look like they will last for years... but I wonder what kind of sonic signature do they have?
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In terms of sound, one of the first things I noticed was the silky job it does with vocals. If you are familiar with some music where the voice is the main thing and just a few instruments. What speakers are you running and amp? Do you notice any weaknesses at present? You might want to key in on those areas too. For me I loved the imaging, and noticed that highs were handled better than the old amp. Please share your impressions!
Running a "rated" 110W Marantz on my MA GX300s. I can't say weaknesses per se, but since they are such a large speaker, seems like they'd benefit from a more robust power source.
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