Parasound Owners Thread - Page 134 - AVS | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 97Likes
Reply
Thread Tools
post #3991 of 4013 Old 01-30-2015, 12:04 PM
Member
 
WAFWarrior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Berkeley, CA
Posts: 88
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked: 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by pickering.tim View Post
Thanks for the feedback Bill. It is quite helpful as info gathered from dealers and reviews online are hard to trust depending on the source of course.

I just got off the phone with the reseller that carries b stock items from parasound and the jc2 bp i ordered (in silver to match my a21) was actually not a BP version and they said they will have a black jc2 bp in later this week but no silver with bp option yet. they are putting a call into parasound to double check before canceling my order.

now i am back to trying to decide if a the bp option is something i really need given i am going to be using my sr7009 for surround sound duties or if there is a logical way of hooking things up where i can use a jc 2 without bp for two channel with a21 and still utilize the a21 in my surround sound setup. Sounds like it would require physical switching each time...correct me if i am wrong anyone


I think, If I understand correctly, that the setup you are describing with your sr7009 for surround duties and still using the JC2 and A21 for 2 channel is exactly what the BP function if designed for. Give us a call and we can walk you through the JC2 BP and its Home Theater Bypass function.

Chris
Parasound Products Inc.
2250 Mckinnon Ave.
San Francisco CA 94124
415-397-7100
WAFWarrior is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #3992 of 4013 Old 01-30-2015, 12:38 PM
gsr
Oppo Beta Group
 
gsr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Massachusetts, USA
Posts: 7,770
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 262 Post(s)
Liked: 247
Quote:
Originally Posted by WAFWarrior View Post
I think, If I understand correctly, that the setup you are describing with your sr7009 for surround duties and still using the JC2 and A21 for 2 channel is exactly what the BP function if designed for. Give us a call and we can walk you through the JC2 BP and its Home Theater Bypass function.
Yes, that's exactly what the bypass feature is for. Getting the version without the bypass feature would require figuring out the correct volume level to set the JC2 to each time you want to send the home theater system through it and then remembering to switch the volume level back again when using other inputs. And keep in mind that the volume level for passing the home theater system through is most likely going to be high, so it requires some care when switching sources so you don't blow speakers (or eardrums). Finally, since the JC2 doesn't have a volume level display, it would be difficult to get it set to the exact same level each time which would make speaker level calibrations for the home theater system a bit of a problem.

So my advice is that if one has a need for the bypass feature, don't purchase the version of the JC2 that doesn't have it. The long term hassle isn't worth saving a few bucks.
gsr is offline  
post #3993 of 4013 Old 01-30-2015, 12:56 PM
Member
 
upsetter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: SF Bay Area, CA
Posts: 68
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Liked: 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post
The good thing at the time is I had Audioquest Columbia rca's and xlr's on hand as to compare both connection methods as well and in the end the 105 to the 8801 xlr assigned to the cd input using Pure direct gave very very close playback to the Oppo direct to the A21, of course I would prefer the Oppo directs sound but what little edge it had was out weighed by system simplicity. I'm hoping the new 8802 has the same or better analog inputs when I get the upgrade bug again.
I do not know what advantage XLR may have over RCA except of noise cancelling in long cables. With 3ft cable I do not see a point. I saw HCA schematics and nothing there tells me that they can take advantage of XLR balanced input. I suspect they just turn it into unballanced input. Input diff amp's +in is used for signal and -in for feedback (negative therefore). +/- path from XLR will still go to +/- complementary amps but it is has nothing to do with noise/distortion cancelling. I remember Bryston hyped fully balanced path but not Parasound.

It still makes sense to have XLR in all components in case you need it. And XLR is no worse than RCA.

Regarding OPPO direct the one problem is that you have to digitally vary volume which means cutting out bits (reducing dynamic range). According to OPPO UK document it does not affect SQ but SQ is more art than science. Another problem is OPPO does not have standby pass-through mode. It means e.g. if you attach satelite TV box HDMI to OPPO and turn off OPPO - signal will not come out to TV. My SR6005 (and Emotiva UPC-200) have this feature and it is very convenient. And third issue is that OPPO does not handle analogue stereo input, more than 2 HDMI inputs and so on - but this does not concern me. But other two issues do.
upsetter is online now  
post #3994 of 4013 Old 01-30-2015, 01:25 PM
AVS Special Member
 
audiofan1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,398
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 246 Post(s)
Liked: 589
Quote:
Originally Posted by upsetter View Post
I do not know what advantage XLR may have over RCA except of noise cancelling in long cables. With 3ft cable I do not see a point. I saw HCA schematics and nothing there tells me that they can take advantage of XLR balanced input. I suspect they just turn it into unballanced input. Input diff amp's +in is used for signal and -in for feedback (negative therefore). +/- path from XLR will still go to +/- complementary amps but it is has nothing to do with noise/distortion cancelling. I remember Bryston hyped fully balanced path but not Parasound.

It still makes sense to have XLR in all components in case you need it. And XLR is no worse than RCA.

Regarding OPPO direct the one problem is that you have to digitally vary volume which means cutting out bits (reducing dynamic range). According to OPPO UK document it does not affect SQ but SQ is more art than science. Another problem is OPPO does not have standby pass-through mode. It means e.g. if you attach satelite TV box HDMI to OPPO and turn off OPPO - signal will not come out to TV. My SR6005 (and Emotiva UPC-200) have this feature and it is very convenient. And third issue is that OPPO does not handle analogue stereo input, more than 2 HDMI inputs and so on - but this does not concern me. But other two issues do.
My main reason for the Oppo 105 is 2/ch, I purchased both the 105 and 8801 at the same time coming from an Anthem avm 20v2 and Oppo 95 combo that I found to my liking and didn't want to sacrifice what I had. My main concern were the analog inputs on the 8801 as I love the sound of the Sabre dac's. As far as the rca's vs xlr's I always noted on most of the gear I've tried it was a better separation of instruments , taller center image and depth without sounding as though the music lost its flow. The rca's always sounded more analog if you will are had a warmer less forward sound but at the cost of a little snap ,this was of course after as close matching of the levels (and lowering the xlr's by one extra db for good measure). You'll have to forgive the use of the audiophile lingo as i have no other way to express why I prefer the balanced route. This could indeed and I suspect be due only to better noise rejection, long runs or not! most people don't realize the back of an equipment rack is an RF and nightmare
audiofan1 is online now  
post #3995 of 4013 Old 01-30-2015, 03:25 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: gaithersburg, md
Posts: 187
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 102 Post(s)
Liked: 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by gsr View Post
Yes, that's exactly what the bypass feature is for. Getting the version without the bypass feature would require figuring out the correct volume level to set the JC2 to each time you want to send the home theater system through it and then remembering to switch the volume level back again when using other inputs. And keep in mind that the volume level for passing the home theater system through is most likely going to be high, so it requires some care when switching sources so you don't blow speakers (or eardrums). Finally, since the JC2 doesn't have a volume level display, it would be difficult to get it set to the exact same level each time which would make speaker level calibrations for the home theater system a bit of a problem.

So my advice is that if one has a need for the bypass feature, don't purchase the version of the JC2 that doesn't have it. The long term hassle isn't worth saving a few bucks.
thanks this was just confirmed to me over the phone as well. Looks like I may be waiting a bit on the JC2 BP as the price point is a little high for me to buy brand new. I am considering the p5 as it has some more options I can utilize for playback of stereo music (with or without subs) from different sources so I do not have to incorporate the sr7009 as part of that process (other than maybe passing through a signal?)

The UD7007 plays back NAS files well as does the sr7009 but I am now thinking a DAC or Network Audio player might be a better option at this stage and with some of these products I may not need a preamp at all and could go straight to my power amp (no subs in this setup)

I was looking at the http://www.psaudio.com/products/perfectwave-dac/ which is on sale right now and might be quite a fun addition to my setup. I find the Sr7009 to be a bit annoying as far as a GUI or interface for adjusting simple controls for just music playback. hope that makes sense.

TBH i doubt i would notice a huge difference in sound quality between the jc2 bp and the p5 so given the price point i may give the p5 a try.

recently someone pointed out the ayre k5xe as an in between price points of the two parasound models i am looking at.

My Current 5.2 Setup - for now....
B&W CM10s (FLR), CMC2, CM5 x2 (SLR)
Dual SVS SB2000s

Rack and Display:
Marantz SR7009, Marantz UD7007, T-PC50st60
[/COLOR]
pickering.tim is online now  
post #3996 of 4013 Old 01-30-2015, 03:34 PM
AVS Special Member
 
merrymaid520's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Milwaukee WI
Posts: 1,454
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Liked: 24
Just my $.02...
I have the A21 and a P5 with a Zdac. The trio sounds awesome to me! I came from a 2100 preamp. The P5 sounds nearly identical but good nonetheless.

I too want the JC2 BP but I have dual subs in my setup so without the sub controls that the P5 has, I'm screwed. There's just no easy way to integrate dual subs with a combo 2ch and HT rig all in one. So yes, I do use the HT bypass function of the P5.

My dream (parasound are you listening) is a JC2 BP with sub controls
merrymaid520 is online now  
post #3997 of 4013 Old 01-30-2015, 03:44 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: gaithersburg, md
Posts: 187
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 102 Post(s)
Liked: 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by merrymaid520 View Post
Just my $.02...
I have the A21 and a P5 with a Zdac. The trio sounds awesome to me! I came from a 2100 preamp. The P5 sounds nearly identical but good nonetheless.

I too want the JC2 BP but I have dual subs in my setup so without the sub controls that the P5 has, I'm screwed. There's just no easy way to integrate dual subs with a combo 2ch and HT rig all in one. So yes, I do use the HT bypass function of the P5.

My dream (parasound are you listening) is a JC2 BP with sub controls
that is helpful actually - I am thinking the p5 may be the best choice for me currently. what receiver do you use for surround? also curious why you use the zdac? i am not too familiar wit hthat product

My Current 5.2 Setup - for now....
B&W CM10s (FLR), CMC2, CM5 x2 (SLR)
Dual SVS SB2000s

Rack and Display:
Marantz SR7009, Marantz UD7007, T-PC50st60
[/COLOR]
pickering.tim is online now  
post #3998 of 4013 Unread 01-30-2015, 04:18 PM
Member
 
WAFWarrior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Berkeley, CA
Posts: 88
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked: 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by merrymaid520 View Post
Just my $.02...
I have the A21 and a P5 with a Zdac. The trio sounds awesome to me! I came from a 2100 preamp. The P5 sounds nearly identical but good nonetheless.

I too want the JC2 BP but I have dual subs in my setup so without the sub controls that the P5 has, I'm screwed. There's just no easy way to integrate dual subs with a combo 2ch and HT rig all in one. So yes, I do use the HT bypass function of the P5.

My dream (parasound are you listening) is a JC2 BP with sub controls
Do elaborate. What exactly are you looking for? Sub controls as in crossovers? Stereo subs or dual mono? Active subs or passive?
And yes we are always listening. I am always taking suggestions to the product development team. Keep them coming. Details always help.

Chris
Parasound Products Inc.
2250 Mckinnon Ave.
San Francisco CA 94124
415-397-7100

Last edited by WAFWarrior; 01-30-2015 at 04:39 PM.
WAFWarrior is offline  
post #3999 of 4013 Unread 01-30-2015, 04:26 PM
AVS Special Member
 
merrymaid520's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Milwaukee WI
Posts: 1,454
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Liked: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by pickering.tim View Post
that is helpful actually - I am thinking the p5 may be the best choice for me currently. what receiver do you use for surround? also curious why you use the zdac? i am not too familiar wit hthat product
The p5 is great even though I don't use/need it's built in DAC which is what the Zdac is for. For more info on the Zdac check it out on the parasound site. From my understanding the zdac is a better DAC than the one built into the P5.

I use a yamaha cx-5000 for my HT preamp with a outlaw 7 ch amp powering my center and surrounds. Speakers are Ascend acoustic towers with RAAL tweeters. I've got the horizon RAAL center and Sierra-2 as surrounds also with RAAL
merrymaid520 is online now  
post #4000 of 4013 Unread 01-30-2015, 04:31 PM
Member
 
crippledchicken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: POPLAR BLUFF MO.
Posts: 52
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by merrymaid520 View Post
Just my $.02...
I have the A21 and a P5 with a Zdac. The trio sounds awesome to me! I came from a 2100 preamp. The P5 sounds nearly identical but good nonetheless.

I too want the JC2 BP but I have dual subs in my setup so without the sub controls that the P5 has, I'm screwed. There's just no easy way to integrate dual subs with a combo 2ch and HT rig all in one. So yes, I do use the HT bypass function of the P5.

My dream (parasound are you listening) is a JC2 BP with sub controls
I had a chance to get an A21 and P5 and wish I would have. There were a couple firearms I've been really wanting also, so I compromised and wound up getting an A23 and keeping the preamp I already had. I did get a good deal on the A23 on Audiogon for $650.00 and being less than a month old. But, if my eyesight and health keeps going down hill I'll probably wind up getting rid of some firearms and put that money towards upgrading a little.
crippledchicken is online now  
post #4001 of 4013 Unread 01-30-2015, 04:32 PM
AVS Special Member
 
merrymaid520's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Milwaukee WI
Posts: 1,454
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Liked: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by WAFWarrior View Post
Do elaborate. What exactly are you looking for? Sub controls as in crossovers? Stereo subs or dual mono? Active subs or powered?
And yes we are always listening. I am always taking suggestions to the product development team. Keep them coming. Details always help.
To be more specific, yes sub controls similar/identical to the p5. The sub crossovers are a must for me being I EQ my dual 15" Rythmiks so I get a flat in room response. I run them dual mono and EQd for both HT and 2ch.

I suppose I also need crossover settings for the main speakers on the preamp as well being I find 80hz crosses over best in my room.

So in a nutshell, a JC2BP with sub and speaker crossover features but NO DAC

Helpful?
I'm glad you are listening, tell Richard to get started! Ha!
merrymaid520 is online now  
post #4002 of 4013 Unread 01-30-2015, 08:07 PM
Advanced Member
 
artur9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: near philly
Posts: 877
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 121 Post(s)
Liked: 52
Quote:
Originally Posted by merrymaid520 View Post
So in a nutshell, a JC2BP with sub and speaker crossover features but NO DAC
How about Parasound make an outboard bass management device that can individually manage up to 4 subwoofers? Delay, crossover, level and a few bands of PEQ from 5-40Hz.
artur9 is online now  
post #4003 of 4013 Unread Yesterday, 06:24 AM
AVS Addicted Member
 
BillP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: PA
Posts: 13,796
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 56 Post(s)
Liked: 61
WAFWarrior (or anyone else), there is a contradiction in the A21 and JC2 manuals regarding set-up. The A21 manual prefers the gain controls all the way up, to THX reference, to take them out of the path. But the JC2 manual states that the volume control sweet spot is between 11 and 1 on a clock. With the amp's gain controls all the way up, I listen with the JC2 volume control around 7-8, and there is no way to crank it up to 11 and still stay in the room! I am using a pair of 4-ohm Sonus Faber Olympica III speakers. So which is more important, keeping the gain controls on the amp at THX, or just using the volume control on the preamp as needed, even though it is well less than 11? I am doing the latter, and it does sound great. Thanks.
BillP is online now  
post #4004 of 4013 Unread Yesterday, 09:27 AM
AVS Special Member
 
moonhawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: La Madera, New Mexico
Posts: 3,270
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 53 Post(s)
Liked: 37
Why not try turning the gain down on your amp, and turn it up on the JC2 to where they recommend?

Then you can judge for yourself.

Either way, don't ruin your hearing. It's not worth it.

______________________

__________

Dave

moonhawk is offline  
post #4005 of 4013 Unread Today, 01:08 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: gaithersburg, md
Posts: 187
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 102 Post(s)
Liked: 8
Ayre Acoustic K-5xe + A21 + UD7007...

just in case anyone is interested....

I went to the hi fi dealer in my area to check out some preamps he had on display today with the intention of coming home with (if not empty handed) a P5 or P7 as he had some decent stock of Parasound preamps. He offered to play the p5 for me as it was on display but he kept nudging me towards an Ayre Acoustics K-5xe that he also had hooked up to some speakers I did not recognize.

Long story short after some discussion he was able to convince me (suppose it wasn't too hard) to take home the display model of the Ayre and give it a listen along with some Transparent XLR Interconnects for what I thought to be a reasonable discount. Typically I am used to a higher percentage coming off the retail price of a new unit then he was offering but given I was a bit out of my element and this dealer was recommended to me very highly by a couple different unbiased sources I took him for his word and brought home the Ayre + insanely expensive cables.

We agreed it would be considered a "home trial" as I wasn't too eager to hear a preamp being demoed to me even though he had it paired with the same amp I was going to pair it with at home (A21), because the speakers he had in the store were not only higher end then my Cm10s but for the most part just of a different breed/manufacturing process. this (among other factors) made me hesitant to be swayed in any direction by a in store demo and convinced I needed to hear whatever I was leaning towards in my own room to really know if it was what i was seeking.

I used the balanced out connections from my marantz UD7007 connected it to a balanced input on the Ayre and then balanced again into my A21. Only change I had to make on my existing components was swapping out cables, taking my SR7009 receiver out of the mix by unplugging the RCAs and flipping the switch on the A21 to balanced.

for the 2 channel rig I was still using the $14.95 cables I recently purchased to link up the CM10s and the same Dire Straits CD I had been playing earlier with the SR7009 (greatest hits including tracks like brothers in arms, on every street, etc.)

I never expected such a dramatic improvement in what I heard coming from this setup. Without further listening and trying some different connections I cannot say for sure if this was due to the balanced cables, the blu ray/preamp/power amp balanced connection (even though I do not think this is a pure balanced differential setup from source to speaker but i could be wrong) or the Ayre preamp/A21 combo but I was blown away...I have never heard anything like this before and that includes some 650K speakers on a boulder amp in a dedicated room from another shop the other day that was his main floor draw.

I will have to report back (if anyone cares to hear) once I get another day or two of listening in and try out the processor pass through of the Ayre.

but seriously, wow
audiofan1 likes this.

My Current 5.2 Setup - for now....
B&W CM10s (FLR), CMC2, CM5 x2 (SLR)
Dual SVS SB2000s

Rack and Display:
Marantz SR7009, Marantz UD7007, T-PC50st60
[/COLOR]
pickering.tim is online now  
post #4006 of 4013 Unread Today, 08:30 AM
AVS Club Gold
 
joerod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: MIDWEST (just outside Chicago)
Posts: 22,177
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 106 Post(s)
Liked: 123
I have both an A51 & A21 in Mint New condition for sale. If anyone is interested let me know.

PARASOUND A51 & A21 amps for sale


For my latest Reviews and Stuff google -> Joe Rod Home Theater .Com
Check out my Dolby Atmos/Surround first take:
http://hstrial-jrodriguez996.homeste...=1409517748063
joerod is online now  
post #4007 of 4013 Unread Today, 09:02 AM
AVS Addicted Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Wetumpka, AL
Posts: 15,645
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 282 Post(s)
Liked: 234
Tim,
Did you compare the home trial rig to your bd player direct to A-21?

You know, you've got everybody's attention.

Samsung 64F8500, Panasonic 65VT50, Oppo 95, Tivo Roamio for OTA, Dish VIP722, Marantz AV8801 preamp, Rotel Amps, Atlantic Tech 8200 speakers, Seaton Submersive HP, Calman 5, Chromapure, VideoForge HDMI II, i1Display3pro, i1pro2, eecolor colorbox.
JimP is online now  
post #4008 of 4013 Unread Today, 09:25 AM
AVS Special Member
 
moonhawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: La Madera, New Mexico
Posts: 3,270
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 53 Post(s)
Liked: 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by pickering.tim View Post
just in case anyone is interested....

I went to the hi fi dealer in my area to check out some preamps he had on display today with the intention of coming home with (if not empty handed) a P5 or P7 as he had some decent stock of Parasound preamps. He offered to play the p5 for me as it was on display but he kept nudging me towards an Ayre Acoustics K-5xe that he also had hooked up to some speakers I did not recognize.

Long story short after some discussion he was able to convince me (suppose it wasn't too hard) to take home the display model of the Ayre and give it a listen along with some Transparent XLR Interconnects for what I thought to be a reasonable discount. Typically I am used to a higher percentage coming off the retail price of a new unit then he was offering but given I was a bit out of my element and this dealer was recommended to me very highly by a couple different unbiased sources I took him for his word and brought home the Ayre + insanely expensive cables.

We agreed it would be considered a "home trial" as I wasn't too eager to hear a preamp being demoed to me even though he had it paired with the same amp I was going to pair it with at home (A21), because the speakers he had in the store were not only higher end then my Cm10s but for the most part just of a different breed/manufacturing process. this (among other factors) made me hesitant to be swayed in any direction by a in store demo and convinced I needed to hear whatever I was leaning towards in my own room to really know if it was what i was seeking.

I used the balanced out connections from my marantz UD7007 connected it to a balanced input on the Ayre and then balanced again into my A21. Only change I had to make on my existing components was swapping out cables, taking my SR7009 receiver out of the mix by unplugging the RCAs and flipping the switch on the A21 to balanced.

for the 2 channel rig I was still using the $14.95 cables I recently purchased to link up the CM10s and the same Dire Straits CD I had been playing earlier with the SR7009 (greatest hits including tracks like brothers in arms, on every street, etc.)

I never expected such a dramatic improvement in what I heard coming from this setup. Without further listening and trying some different connections I cannot say for sure if this was due to the balanced cables, the blu ray/preamp/power amp balanced connection (even though I do not think this is a pure balanced differential setup from source to speaker but i could be wrong) or the Ayre preamp/A21 combo but I was blown away...I have never heard anything like this before and that includes some 650K speakers on a boulder amp in a dedicated room from another shop the other day that was his main floor draw.

I will have to report back (if anyone cares to hear) once I get another day or two of listening in and try out the processor pass through of the Ayre.

but seriously, wow
I would strongly recommend trying the Ayre and the Cables separately. I do believe cables make a difference, but I also believe in knowing what's doing what.

IOW, It's possible you'd be fine with just the Ayre. I suspect the quality pre-amp is doing more than the cables.

You also should audition the P5 with and without the cables.

OTOH, if you're happy with what you have and can afford it....

______________________

__________

Dave

moonhawk is offline  
post #4009 of 4013 Unread Today, 10:31 AM
Member
 
upsetter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: SF Bay Area, CA
Posts: 68
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Liked: 14
Tim, I think taking out Marantz made a difference. SR7xxx is not exactly high end and who knows how it is designed. Marantz is still mainstream brand and they have specialized higher end pre AV8002. It may have ICs for pre (they still need to pay for 8 power amps there). I am very skeptical regarding Marantz since I have the same experience with taking Marantz SR6005 out of equation. You get me interested in Ayre though.
upsetter is online now  
post #4010 of 4013 Unread Today, 10:58 AM
Advanced Member
 
artur9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: near philly
Posts: 877
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 121 Post(s)
Liked: 52
Quote:
Originally Posted by pickering.tim View Post

I will have to report back (if anyone cares to hear) once I get another day or two of listening in and try out the processor pass through of the Ayre.

but seriously, wow
According to some of the reviews I've seen, Ayre through balanced interconnects are very nice sounding. More so than through unbalanced.

Ayre is a brand I'd like to experience.
artur9 is online now  
post #4011 of 4013 Unread Today, 11:08 AM
Senior Member
 
jrhooper1963's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 293
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 23 Post(s)
Liked: 17
Currently enjoying my Parasound Halo A52, which I have owned since purchasing new from Audio Advisor. I have experienced zero issues with it, in that time period. I purchased one of the last one's sold by Audio Advisor, located here in Michigan. I use it with a Marantz AV7005 processor, which has also not given me any issues, in almost two years of ownership.


I like to "hang out" in the Parasound Owner's thread, because it's nice to read owner's input about their Parasound gear. There doesn't seem to be many if any, posts from disgruntled owners, complaining about the problems or bugs associated with ownership of Parasound gear. That says a lot about the company, and the product that they bring to market.


I am giving strong consideration, to purchasing the new integrated amp that is soon to be introduced to the market by Parasound. I currently have a 5.1 system, in a "less than ideal" room for acoustics. So Audyssey room correction helps a great deal. My room is only 14' x 13' x 8', so I am wondering what kind of compromises would be involved in scaling down to a 2.1 system for movies and music.


I got a real good deal on the A52, so the sale of it and the AV7005 processor would go a long way toward funding the soon to be available integrated amp from Parasound.


Also, my objective is to reduce cable clutter and downsize my rack, without too much compromise in audio fidelity.


Any advice is more than welcome.
jrhooper1963 is online now  
post #4012 of 4013 Unread Today, 11:42 AM
Advanced Member
 
artur9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: near philly
Posts: 877
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 121 Post(s)
Liked: 52
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrhooper1963 View Post
Currently enjoying my Parasound Halo A52,
Ditto!


Quote:
Originally Posted by jrhooper1963 View Post
I am giving strong consideration, to purchasing the new integrated amp that is soon to be introduced to the market by Parasound. ... So Audyssey room correction helps a great deal. My room is only 14' x 13' x 8', so I am wondering what kind of compromises would be involved in scaling down to a 2.1 system for movies and music.
The Dirac devices from MiniDSP may make builtin room correction systems less of an issue. They have both a 2 channel and an 8 channel system. The consensus is that Dirac is at least comparable to Audyssey in terms of effectiveness.

Here's the 8 channel device thread

Here's a thread about Dirac for 2-channel.
artur9 is online now  
post #4013 of 4013 Unread Today, 12:10 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: gaithersburg, md
Posts: 187
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 102 Post(s)
Liked: 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimP View Post
Tim,
Did you compare the home trial rig to your bd player direct to A-21?

You know, you've got everybody's attention.
Do you mean using balanced cables from the UD7007 direct to the A21 balanced inputs?

if so, I have not tried that - I thought about trying it awhile back but since I would have no volume control (at least I do not think the marantz has that built in) other than the two separate gain knobs on the back of the A21 I felt it was not a real world setup scenario in the long run and after a couple questions in the forums I was unsure of what would happen if I did try it, so I went on search for the a preamp

my conundrum if you will (and I have yet to try the processor bypass or RCA cable connection from my SR7009 yet) is that I would like to have this all running in one setup with a relatively easy way (perhaps even by remote control) flip back and forth between the SR7009 for surround while still using the A21 on my fronts where the sr7009 manages the subwoofers and crossover settings and the additional surround speakers (cm5, cmc2). This after all was the reason I bought a preamp with bypass after all. However, I will lose out on the balanced connection as I will have to switch over to RCA coming out of my SR7009. The Ayre can utilize both types of connections at the same time but i do not think I can go unbalanced into the Ayre and balanced out. I also have to go back to HDMI from the marantz ud7007 (or rca) so that balanced connection is out of the equation too.

I suppose what I am trying to get at is that I do not see a way to use my subwoofers while maintaining the balanced connection from source (blu ray) to preamp to power A21. I do wish I had gone the route of seperates from day one but the price point was too steep at the time - however I could always sell the 7009 but I imagine I will take a hit even though it is in pristine condition.

After listening to the Ayre in the all balanced connection (need to spend more time on this obviously) I am starting to doubt whether the surround sound setup I have been working on for so long is even worth it - I simply loved the simplicity and what appeared to me to be not only one of the cleanest sounds I have experienced thus far but I never got past 15 on the volume control of the Ayre when playing back a CD. When I played back a DSD or other hi res digital file from my NAS I had no urge to go past like 10 on teh volume of the Ayre, so it has more than enough coming out to drive all my music. I did notice the volume had to be turned up to like 20 when i started playing some of my Itunes but I have yet to spend enough time organizing my music on the NAS and am considering (if i can manage to budget it) getting a more dedicated music playback device to be the front end of all of this.

I think that may (depending on the device) allow me to switch between the 2 channel only rig and the surround sound or 2.2 setup from the sr7009 but I digress.

Suggestions are welcome

My Current 5.2 Setup - for now....
B&W CM10s (FLR), CMC2, CM5 x2 (SLR)
Dual SVS SB2000s

Rack and Display:
Marantz SR7009, Marantz UD7007, T-PC50st60
[/COLOR]
pickering.tim is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Receivers, Amps, and Processors

Tags
Parasound , Parasound Products Inc , Parasound Classic 2100 Stereo Pre Amp

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off