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There is another way, using a JC2.
Run the full range signal JC2 > sub's XO, w/o the Behringer in the circuit.
And use Dirac room correction for stereo playback, which will give you a flat FR.

In my system I use the Dirac for stereo via my Mac.
And the autoEQ on the AVR for movies.
I was thinking that too. My thoughts were:

Run rca outs from JC to a mini dsp XO type unit then into sub. This covers 2ch material.

For HT- run rca out of my Yamaha receiver into the behringer then rca to the second line input of the Rythmik sub.

Anyone know if the Rythmik can accept two rca line ins?

Oh, and the xlr outs of the JC will go into my A21 amp.

Feasible???
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I've been enjoying my parasound gear for quite some time now! I'm running an A21 amp, p5 pre, and zdac. The trio is excellent. I'm making some other changes recently and am thinking of grabbing a Black A21 to replace my silver one. Anyone interested at all in a silver one?
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how long have you had the Silver A21? did you buy new or used?
Probably 3-4 years, bought it used. Just ordered a new black A21 through Avs sales
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Probably 3-4 years, bought it used. Just ordered a new black A21 through Avs sales
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Probably 3-4 years, bought it used. Just ordered a new black A21 through Avs sales
Heh, you're going over to the dark side I see! I kind of wish they had 'em in black when I made my A21 purchase, but with the matching silver P7, they really look unique.
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AVS forum.....AVS sales. Coincidence

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Heh, you're going over to the dark side I see! I kind of wish they had 'em in black when I made my A21 purchase, but with the matching silver P7, they really look unique.
Once you've had black.....oh wait

It matches my other gear a bit better! Better resale too I'm hoping!
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For those with the P7, has anyone compared it to the P5 or JC? I suppose I should t rule it out over the JC bring it has sub controls etc
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For those with the P7, has anyone compared it to the P5 or JC? I suppose I should t rule it out over the JC bring it has sub controls etc
I have not had the P5 or JC2.
But I've had the P7 for over 5 years...just a pleasure to use.
Beautiful sound, very simplistic, change settings on the fly, from the remote, by just one or two presses of a button...no going into deep menus, like an AVR.

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I have not had the P5 or JC2.
But I've had the P7 for over 5 years...just a pleasure to use.
Beautiful sound, very simplistic, change settings on the fly, from the remote, by just one or two presses of a button...no going into deep menus, like an AVR.
Good to know! The p7 seems very user friendly. I'm still leaning towards the JC2 BP. I just can't figure out a way to incorporate my Rythmik sub into the setup with a JC2 BP and my remaining HT receiver etc. normally I run the My Yamahas sub pre out into my P5 then into the Rythmik....easy.

With the JC2BP, I would have to run the Yamahas sub preout directly into the Rythmik but than also need to get an additional output into the Rythmik from the JC using the extra unbalanced outputs. Make sense?

Not sure this would work being the sub would get multiple signals when watching movies.
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Good to know! The p7 seems very user friendly. I'm still leaning towards the JC2 BP. I just can't figure out a way to incorporate my Rythmik sub into the setup with a JC2 BP and my remaining HT receiver etc. normally I run the My Yamahas sub pre out into my P5 then into the Rythmik....easy.

With the JC2BP, I would have to run the Yamahas sub preout directly into the Rythmik but than also need to get an additional output into the Rythmik from the JC using the extra unbalanced outputs. Make sense?

Not sure this would work being the sub would get multiple signals when watching movies.
Subs usually have a line input, speaker level input (requiring the sub's XO).
My BASS sub amps have a switch...LFE/XO...I don't think both are hot at the same time..which option is selected is the one carrying the signal.
When I had the Citation 11 pre-amp, I had to use speaker level/XO as the 11 had no XO (much like the JC2). And the AVR via LFE
But with the P7, the subs are only connected via LFE input. As the signal is always going through a LPF, either P7, or AVR.

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Good to know! The p7 seems very user friendly. I'm still leaning towards the JC2 BP. I just can't figure out a way to incorporate my Rythmik sub into the setup with a JC2 BP and my remaining HT receiver etc. normally I run the My Yamahas sub pre out into my P5 then into the Rythmik....easy.

With the JC2BP, I would have to run the Yamahas sub preout directly into the Rythmik but than also need to get an additional output into the Rythmik from the JC using the extra unbalanced outputs. Make sense?

Not sure this would work being the sub would get multiple signals when watching movies.
I have been using the jc2bp + A21 for a few months now and the combination is excellent. The only quibble I have with this is that if your source doesnt have volume control (like my ud7007) I have to adjust the gain on the A21 in order to get the jc2 to have more than 2 "clicks" of volume control to work with. this is for medium to loud listening too. However, this is a small inconvenience and since I have some sources with volume control and have some additional equipment to work into the setup (p7 - setting this up tonight , ddrc-88a - also being setup tonight using pre amp outputs from my sr7009 which will feed the p7 - or maybe the p7 will feed the ddrc88a not sure yet all going into both the A21 and a NAD m27). Anyway, I dont think there is a better analog preamp in that price range that I have heard yet (i have not heard a lot so take that with a grain of salt) except maybe the Ayre acoustics k5 i tried awhile back. for the price i will reiterate

regardless i have yet to burn in my p7 and will be happy to share htoughts on the difference as far as stereo sound reporudciton between that and the jc2bp once i have had enough time to listen.

If that A21 you had was a A31 I would take it off your hands for the right price as i have all silver equipment (except for avr/blu ray) and really like the look of it personally.

I would have nothing of the caliber of the A21s driving my center channel if i got another a21 though.

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For those with the P7, has anyone compared it to the P5 or JC? I suppose I should t rule it out over the JC bring it has sub controls etc
I have also owner the p5 so i soon will have some comparative thoughts on these three pieces pairing with a21 especially as it relates to 2 channel music. i dont think you can really compare the a21 with the p5 or p7 head to head as the funcionality/bass mgmt is not the same. i look forward to hearing how the p7 sounds compared to halo integrated too. both have some bass mgmt. i really like the lp/hp filter option on the integrated, and that amp sounds fantastic. especially hwne you have a source that can do the DAC before it gets to the halo. not that the halo's dac isnt good, but in my experience thus far using my dac2dx for dac and sending a balanced signal to the halo integrated sounds a little cleaner. not sure how relevant that is.

if i could only afford to chalk up the cash for a a31 or a51 and a surround processor (maybe av8802?) to replace my sr7009 so i can sell it i would be a happy man

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I have also owner the p5 so i soon will have some comparative thoughts on these three pieces pairing with a21 especially as it relates to 2 channel music. i dont think you can really compare the a21 with the p5 or p7 head to head as the funcionality/bass mgmt is not the same. i look forward to hearing how the p7 sounds compared to halo integrated too. both have some bass mgmt. i really like the lp/hp filter option on the integrated, and that amp sounds fantastic. especially hwne you have a source that can do the DAC before it gets to the halo. not that the halo's dac isnt good, but in my experience thus far using my dac2dx for dac and sending a balanced signal to the halo integrated sounds a little cleaner. not sure how relevant that is.

if i could only afford to chalk up the cash for a a31 or a51 and a surround processor (maybe av8802?) to replace my sr7009 so i can sell it i would be a happy man
Tim,
Wow, you will be the perfect guy to hear back from regarding your thoughts on all the parasound preamps in question! I am the most curious about the P7 sound versus the P5 (the one I have now). As much as I would like the JC2, I just cannot live without the bass management and sub outs. Please let me know as soon as you have some listening time. I am ready to order the P7 if I feel its worth the upgrade. I don't expect night/day differences, but if the P7 has a slight edge, I am game.


Looking forward to your thoughts!
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Yet another option.....

Thoughts on using the oppo 105D as the USB dac and volume control into a JC2BP? This way you get bass management and sub controls all via the oppo. Connections would be the L&R front analog outs of the oppo into the JC2 and the sub out of the oppo into the sub(Rythmik sub). The stipulation is that the oppo volume must be used at all times. Would this work?
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Yet another option.....

Thoughts on using the oppo 105D as the USB dac and volume control into a JC2BP? This way you get bass management and sub controls all via the oppo. Connections would be the L&R front analog outs of the oppo into the JC2 and the sub out of the oppo into the sub(Rythmik sub). The stipulation is that the oppo volume must be used at all times. Would this work?
I haven't listened to an OPPO nearly enough to comment on it's volume control or sound quality when paired p with the jc-2 but based on popular opinion it appears to be a fantastic component and given the cost (105D costs like 1200 new?) you are getting a lot for your dollar. Can you use it in this manner? Sure. (unless there are some I/O source level differences I would not know about that could cause issues)

Should you use it in this manner? That is up to your ears and personal preference.

Conventional wisdom would most likely lean towards using as few components as you can in your chain from source to speaker such as I tried for a spell with a benchmark dac2x connected directly to my A21. only caveat is that I didn't have any analog inputs with this setup. It sounded very clean and the slight bit of noise I often get in my cm10s was as low as I had heard it. However, I noticed that DAC2dx when pushed up in volume past say 9 o'clock on the dial it started to veer off in a direction sonically that I didn't like. When the JC-2BP takes an input from the dac2x or other source with or without volume control the speakers produce the sound that suits my tastes the most. that may not be the case for you though.

To wrap it up try the oppo with no preamp and see what you think...then with your p5. If you like one over the other that will give you a better starting point to determine if you actually need to upgrade your preamp. I do not think the jc2 will add enough value to your system to justify the cost with your given components unless you want to enjoy 2 channel (no subs) music playback from a TT or other analog source. That is where I feel it shines and I enjoy he sound of it the most. Most times I do not even think about having a sub added to the mix.

I love the JC2 BP dont get me wrong but I have to admit I find it a bit limiting in funcionality. It is my belief that those characteristics are a key part of why it sounds so clean but you sacrifice any funcionality outside the two channel analog domain.

I have always wanted an OPPO but when i purchased my ud7007 I wasn't quite convinced it would compete sound quality wise for music vs the marantz unit. I chose the marantz because I have always loved their sound and the player had all the right specs/playback features and balanced outputs I was looking for. I look forward to getting my second rig finally setup in a new room (may be awhile) as I could justify purchasing a 105 unit for myself.

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I haven't listened to an OPPO nearly enough to comment on it's volume control or sound quality when paired p with the jc-2 but based on popular opinion it appears to be a fantastic component and given the cost (105D costs like 1200 new?) you are getting a lot for your dollar. Can you use it in this manner? Sure. (unless there are some I/O source level differences I would not know about that could cause issues)

Should you use it in this manner? That is up to your ears and personal preference.

Conventional wisdom would most likely lean towards using as few components as you can in your chain from source to speaker such as I tried for a spell with a benchmark dac2x connected directly to my A21. only caveat is that I didn't have any analog inputs with this setup. It sounded very clean and the slight bit of noise I often get in my cm10s was as low as I had heard it. However, I noticed that DAC2dx when pushed up in volume past say 9 o'clock on the dial it started to veer off in a direction sonically that I didn't like. When the JC-2BP takes an input from the dac2x or other source with or without volume control the speakers produce the sound that suits my tastes the most. that may not be the case for you though.

To wrap it up try the oppo with no preamp and see what you think...then with your p5. If you like one over the other that will give you a better starting point to determine if you actually need to upgrade your preamp. I do not think the jc2 will add enough value to your system to justify the cost with your given components unless you want to enjoy 2 channel (no subs) music playback from a TT or other analog source. That is where I feel it shines and I enjoy he sound of it the most. Most times I do not even think about having a sub added to the mix.

I love the JC2 BP dont get me wrong but I have to admit I find it a bit limiting in funcionality. It is my belief that those characteristics are a key part of why it sounds so clean but you sacrifice any funcionality outside the two channel analog domain.

I have always wanted an OPPO but when i purchased my ud7007 I wasn't quite convinced it would compete sound quality wise for music vs the marantz unit. I chose the marantz because I have always loved their sound and the player had all the right specs/playback features and balanced outputs I was looking for. I look forward to getting my second rig finally setup in a new room (may be awhile) as I could justify purchasing a 105 unit for myself.

but i digress.
Thanks for the input! Its a tough decision. I agree the JC2BP lacks functionality that many folks need these days however, its likely one of the better preamps available sound quality wise! adding the Oppo into the mix does add a bit more complexity but not really that much.......one would simply pick a volume on the JC and leave it there while using the volume on the oppo for the sources coming through. My use for the Oppo would simply be its USB DAC and bass management capabilities.

Any more thoughts on the P7 vs P5 vs JC2 etc?
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On a related note.....

http://hometheaterreview.com/oppo-bd...y-disc-player/

Interesting read! Using Oppo with JC2.
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I agree the JC2BP lacks functionality that many folks need these days however, its likely one of the better preamps available sound quality wise! adding the Oppo into the mix does add a bit more complexity but not really that much.......one would simply pick a volume on the JC and leave it there while using the volume on the oppo for the sources coming through.
Actually, I plug my 105 into my JC2 BP and use the volume control of the JC2 (leaving the Oppo volume as fixed). Sounds fantastic, paired with the A21 amp and Sonus Faber Olympica IIIs. Since I only have a 2-channel system, the functionality of the JC2 BP is perfect for me.
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http://hometheaterreview.com/oppo-bd...y-disc-player/

Interesting read! Using Oppo with JC2.
Thanks for the link - definitely an interesting read. Supports my use of the 105 plugged into the JC2 BP rather than directly into my A21.
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Actually, I plug my 105 into my JC2 BP and use the volume control of the JC2 (leaving the Oppo volume as fixed). Sounds fantastic, paired with the A21 amp and Sonus Faber Olympica IIIs. Since I only have a 2-channel system, the functionality of the JC2 BP is perfect for me.
Very nice combo! If one doesn't have subs, the JC2 BP is perfect. I unfortunately need some bass management. Do you happen to know if the oppos cross over settings etc work when using its USB DaC input?
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Very nice combo! If one doesn't have subs, the JC2 BP is perfect. I unfortunately need some bass management. Do you happen to know if the oppos cross over settings etc work when using its USB DaC input?
They don't. There's no processing available in the Oppo, other than volume control, when using the USB DAC input.
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They don't. There's no processing available in the Oppo, other than volume control, when using the USB DAC input.
Thanks! There's goes that option for me.
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Thanks! There's goes that option for me.
You should contact Parasound with your questions. They are very helpful.

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Very nice combo! If one doesn't have subs, the JC2 BP is perfect. I unfortunately need some bass management. Do you happen to know if the oppos cross over settings etc work when using its USB DaC input?
You can do it the old fashion way.
Connect the subs via speaker wire, and use the sub's XOs.
Either JC2>subs & mains, or JC2>mains>subs.
Or if the sub plate amp has speaker line in/out, then JC2>subs>mains.
You've then got your full stereo setup.

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Hey guys, I have a question about Parasound A21, because I'm leaning towards to buy one of this amps.
I've heard a lot of gear up to date, excluding Parasound. I have Benchmark DAC2 HGC and I want stereo power amplifier. I'm reading quite a lot of positive comments about this A21 machine. But do you find it to sound slow or something like so? I had XTZ, HK 990, Denon A100, Roksan Kandy MK3, NAD 218 THX, some high-end Rotels, and a couple of other fat amps and every amp, especially the "fat" ones are very dynamic restricted. I'm talking about the microdynamics, very, very sleepy sound with sometimes a very slow incoherent bass... On the other hand my personal Pioneer A-A9 MK2 is the best in expressing emotions, it has no dynamic restrictions, absolutely stunning amplifier beating some of the most expensive ones. It has flows, it doesn't have full bodied sound and it's overall on the thin and dry side. I've read that the Parasound A21 doesn't have negative feedback which is a plus, I've heard the NAD S300 which also doesn't have negative feedback and is very nice one, a more like my Pioneer with a little more control and finesse but they are very comparable.

Thanks for your answers in advance!
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Veselin, A21 has a negative feedback. Most schematic decisions are common for hi end amplifiers. It is the combination and how it is designed including how it transition to class AB makes HALO a killer amp. It handles the signal with high precision (by minimizing reactive impedance) and it is a high current (it is a current amplifier) and high bias amp which makes it essentially class A amplifier up to 10wt (which is fairly large number). Never listened to A21 but listened to JC1 and have A23.
I made mistake walking into audio shop by accident and it happened to be a Parasound dealer. He has large acoustically treated demo room with only one system which happens to be Revels (5.1) + 4 JC1 monoblocks driven by OPPO-105 via JC2. So dealer offered me to evaluate the system - I would consider it as a dream system – no compromises and professionally set up. I listened to some stereo music in vein of Diana Krall and Monica Mancini. Means smooth jazz. To say that I was utterly impressed would be understatement. It sounded as if was class A or lamp amp system. First as any Parasound it was precise and everything was well separated, localized and stable. But it was also warm, smooth, no harshness whatsoever. Also scene was deep and realistic. It had some ambience and some coloring also in good sense which made me want to sit there for the whole day and reevaluate all my records.
When I came home I listened to my own system which is the same OPPO-105 directly connected to A23 and Mythos STS stereo speakers. I have the same records (Krall and Mancini). Now my system is in living room which is in a typical 2000 sqft SF bay area modern house which means it is not big, so Deftech STS is more than enough. STS also has a powered woofer and sensitive enough so it does not need much power. But compare 25wt of class A in JC1 vs 4wt of class A in A23 so that is the biggest difference besides speakers. My system also has excellent localization, precision and so on. But scene was more two dimensional and did not have the same depth. Sound was clean and but crisp and also some harshness was present (vestige of “transistor sound” effect may be). Some call this sound clinical or dry. Now Mythos are supposed to be crisp compared with Revells. But also A23 can go easily transitionout of class A mode it you listen fairly loud.
A21 has to be somewhere between JC1 and A23 since it is a class A up to 8-10wt. So mistake I made by walking into dealers demo room make me start thinking about upgrading my system starting with getting A21 and relegating A23 to drive surround s (in which case it will be class A most of time if not all the time).

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