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You can do it the old fashion way.
Connect the subs via speaker wire, and use the sub's XOs.
Either JC2>subs & mains, or JC2>mains>subs.
Or if the sub plate amp has speaker line in/out, then JC2>subs>mains.
You've then got your full stereo setup.
Yup thought of that as well. I just can't see running my mains full range let alone with subs. The room issues will be a disaster. I've used REW and a mic to measure and without bass management, it's a mess. I was hoping to use the oppos BM into the JC2 but that won't happen.
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Yup thought of that as well. I just can't see running my mains full range let alone with subs. The room issues will be a disaster. I've used REW and a mic to measure and without bass management, it's a mess. I was hoping to use the oppos BM into the JC2 but that won't happen.
All rooms and speaker systems are different.
But I run my mains full range, but they were designed to operate with a sub, the originals had an accoustical roll off starting @70 htz; the customs start @ 60htz. So -15dB @ 30 htz. Subs set @ 50

For playback via the Mac, I use Dirac stereo Suite...I was able to flaten the bass to 25 htz. Also got rid of 2, 3 peaks between 1500~2200 htz...that don't show up on DVD-A/SACD. Must be the Mac.

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All rooms and speaker systems are different.
But I run my mains full range, but they were designed to operate with a sub, the originals had an accoustical roll off starting @70 htz; the customs start @ 60htz. So -15dB @ 30 htz. Subs set @ 50

For playback via the Mac, I use Dirac stereo Suite...I was able to flaten the bass to 25 htz. Also got rid of 2, 3 peaks between 1500~2200 htz...that don't show up on DVD-A/SACD. Must be the Mac.
Having the mains roll off that soon would make a huge difference. Unfortunately mine do not.
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Having the mains roll off that soon would make a huge difference. Unfortunately mine do not.
But what would happen if you chose the FR you wanted, with the mains and subs playing the bass? Using Dirac room correction.

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But what would happen if you chose the FR you wanted, with the mains and subs playing the bass? Using Dirac room correction.
Don't have the option with my setup.

Using Jriver, parasound zdac, P5, subs and mains. No room correction that route.
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Don't have the option with my setup.

Using Jriver, parasound zdac, P5, subs and mains. No room correction that route.
I have no experience with Jriver...but from what I just read on their website it provides
Rich DSP environment (Room Correction, Bass Management,

It would seem to me you already have all that.
But not using it?

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So mistake I made by walking into dealers demo room make me start thinking about upgrading my system starting with getting A21 and relegating A23 to drive surround s (in which case it will be class A most of time if not all the time).
... or, if you want to go overboard. Buy two A21's and bi-amp.
I did some listening to a Single Revel Salon with the A21 single amped and bi-amped and my friend picked the bi-amp version each time.
There was some added clarity even a moderate listening levels (low 80 db range).


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Hey guys, I have a question about Parasound A21, because I'm leaning towards to buy one of this amps.
.... I'm talking about the microdynamics, very, very sleepy sound with sometimes a very slow incoherent bass...
I have an A52 and I would say its very good with micro dynamics and has a snappy neutral sound. No sleepy or incoherent bass at all.

The A21 should be even better.
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I have no experience with Jriver...but from what I just read on their website it provides
Rich DSP environment (Room Correction, Bass Management,

It would seem to me you already have all that.
But not using it?
Yes, Jriver does offer those features. Problem is that if you use the XO in Jriver, the output from my PC running Jriver is sent out to my dac and preamp crossed over. Therefore it's impossible to get a feasible signal to my subs. My PC only outputs into a 2ch USB DAC. That portion has to be full range.
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Yes, Jriver does offer those features. Problem is that if you use the XO in Jriver, the output from my PC running Jriver is sent out to my dac and preamp crossed over. Therefore it's impossible to get a feasible signal to my subs. My PC only outputs into a 2ch USB DAC. That portion has to be full range.
Then Jriver supplying BM is useless, w/o having a second output on the PC for bass. I won't know why they bothered.

With Dirac loaded on my Mac, it provides the RC, full range. Then goes thru the usbDAC.
Before I added Dirac, big roll off(at the seat), now flat to 25 hz.
Then its just the matter of the P7 doing BM with six different XO combinations. Then when needed, I can adjust the bass volume +/- from the chair, one setting for stereo, one for MC.

I would like to have the JC2 if I were running truly full range towers, such as Revel Salon2, w/o subs.
But I am quite happy with the P7 matched to the speakers I have.

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Then Jriver supplying BM is useless, w/o having a second output on the PC for bass. I won't know why they bothered.
It's not a JRiver limitation, just a matter of how he has his system configured. JRiver has fairly complete support for crossover configuration and correction for 7.1 channels, but you have to be using an output device that lets you make use of the functionality and since he's using a 2 channel USB DAC, his options on the PC side are going to be more limited.
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It's not a JRiver limitation, just a matter of how he has his system configured. JRiver has fairly complete support for crossover configuration and correction for 7.1 channels, but you have to be using an output device that lets you make use of the functionality and since he's using a 2 channel USB DAC, his options on the PC side are going to be more limited.
Right. Get a multichannel DAC!

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Right. Get a multichannel DAC!
Can a MC DAC be connected to a PC/Mac with only stereo out, and actually get 7.1 out?
Not just for music, but streaming movies.

I do have two other devices to stream DD 5.1 & DD+.
And I can not hear any difference between those two streams.
Despite what Dolby has to say about DD+.

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Can a MC DAC be connected to a PC/Mac with only stereo out, and actually get 7.1 out?
Not just for music, but streaming movies.
Via USB, yes.

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Via USB, yes.
OK, currently I am using a DragonFly v1.2 usbDAC and Dirac Stereo Suite.
If I get a MC DAC, so then I should be able to upgrade the Dirac to 8 channel suite?

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OK, currently I am using a DragonFly v1.2 usbDAC and Dirac Stereo Suite.
If I get a MC DAC, so then I should be able to upgrade the Dirac to 8 channel suite?
Yes. I run DiracLive in MCH with multichannel DACs both on a Mac and a PC.

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Yes. I run DiracLive in MCH with multichannel DACs both on a Mac and a PC.
OK Kal,
Now the hard part, finding a MC DAC, where I live.
I'll go over to the Harman Pro shop...if they don't have one...I'll have to buy online. Something that can be risky and/or expensive getting things shipped here. If they show up at all!
Their damn 4x4 rule; $400/4kg MAX...or pay a huge tax.
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OK Kal,
Now the hard part, finding a MC DAC, where I live.
I'll go over to the Harman Pro shop................................
Aside from the pro audio options, there are three options (in ascending order of cost):
miniDSP's U-DAC8 (USB input)
exaSound e28 (USB input)
Merging Technologies NADAC Multichannel-8 (ethernet input)

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It's not a JRiver limitation, just a matter of how he has his system configured. JRiver has fairly complete support for crossover configuration and correction for 7.1 channels, but you have to be using an output device that lets you make use of the functionality and since he's using a 2 channel USB DAC, his options on the PC side are going to be more limited.
Correct! It's my systems limitations, not Jrivers.

Kal,
That Udac8 looks interesting and inexpensive! Have you heard it or know more about its sound?
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Correct! It's my systems limitations, not Jrivers.

Kal,
That Udac8 looks interesting and inexpensive! Have you heard it or know more about its sound?
I am writing a review of it now and, so, I cannot comment. Sorry.

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I am writing a review of it now and, so, I cannot comment. Sorry.
Very cool. When and where can we expect the review?
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