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post #451 of 3609 Old 03-14-2010, 11:42 AM
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Is there any difference between the A21 and A51 for two channel listening?

I had extensivly auditioned the Halo A21 and bought the A51 (needed the extra channels) sight unseen/unheard as a result. Regarding two channel sound, our A51 does an outstanding job with two channel listening and to my ears sounds just as good as the A21. Like someone posted above:

The A21 has a bit more Capacitance per channel (50,000uf versus 32,800uf) , but with the A51 having almost a twice as large Toroidal Transformer (2.2kVA versus 1.2 kVA) and more overall Capacitance (164,000uf versus 100,000uf) I would think the A51 would have more power when used 2 Channel.

Apart from our new ONKYO PR_SC5507P pre-pro, our new Halo A51 and A23 (powering our ambient front height speakers) power amps are the best audio investment we have ever made... simpy amazing sound and performance... and if that were not enough, to top it all off they LOOK AWESOME!
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Hello,
I am glad the A51 is treating you well. It truly is an fantastic Amplifier. The A23 would definitely be more than sufficient for Height Channels. Sounds like an awesome setup.
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Here is a reply to my question about the new AVR, pre/pro.


Hi John,

You'll have to keep your $ in your pocket a bit longer.

We're well underway with these products but we do not have a firm delivery
date. The debugging process is arduous and there is no way to predict how
long it will take.

My feeling is summer, but that is based on gut, not facts.

Thank you for your patience.

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With any luck, they will be available when I'm back in the States in late July.

Thanks for the update... Isn't it ironic that this unit is already outdated not having 9 channels (DPLIIz) and HDMI 1.4? I would have bought if for sure last summer, but I might hang on to my AV8003/MC8 combo for a bit longer to see what Arcam or Lexicon will release this year (if anything). Missed opportunity, Parasound.
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Apart from our new ONKYO PR_SC5507P pre-pro, our new Halo A51 and A23 (powering our ambient front height speakers) power amps are the best audio investment we have ever made... simpy amazing sound and performance... and if that were not enough, to top it all off they LOOK AWESOME!

I have the same combo and it indeed looks and sounds awesome (my A23 is powering the rear speakers)! You might want to consider upgrading your Onkyo Pre-Pro also: I used to have the 885 Pro and I didn't like it at all. Perhaps the new Parasound C3 or the Marantz AV8003 are worth your consideration...
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I suspect they will advise against it.

I would--Why take the chance? Class A amps get pretty warm.

Actually Halo amps are Class A/B so they run much cooler than Class A amps.
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I have the same combo and it indeed looks and sounds awesome (my A23 is powering the rear speakers)! You might want to consider upgrading your Onkyo Pre-Pro also: I used to have the 885 Pro and I didn't like it at all. Perhaps the new Parasound C3 or the Marantz AV8003 are worth your consideration...

Curious what you got to replace the 885P? I had both the 885P and the 886P and, while these ears found it adequate for HT, I didn't like how music sounded through it at all which started an expensive journey to try to "fix" the Onkyo Pros by adding a DAC between my sources and then inserting a passive 2-channel preamp in the loop...which then allowed me to determine that the issue was indeed the Onkyo. I ended up getting a Classe SSP-800 and replacing both Onkyo and the passive pre....now everything sounds great!

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Curious what you got to replace the 885P? I had both the 885P and the 886P and, while these ears found it adequate for HT, I didn't like how music sounded through it at all which started an expensive journey to try to "fix" the Onkyo Pros by adding a DAC between my sources and then inserting a passive 2-channel preamp in the loop...which then allowed me to determine that the issue was indeed the Onkyo. I ended up getting a Classe SSP-800 and replacing both Onkyo and the passive pre....now everything sounds great!

I went from a Lexicon MC12 (non Eq/HD) model to the Onkyo 885. After being seriously disappointed with the Onkyo (except for DTH/DTSHD material), I sold it and bought a Marantz AV8003 for DTH/DTS and a Lexicon MC8 for all other material. Everything sounds really great now; just have two pre-amps but my Logitech Harmony One takes care of that....
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Actually Halo amps are Class A/B so they run much cooler than Class A amps.

Quite right, but my point was that I still wouldn't want to put my P7 on top of my A52. It does get pretty warm, and runs pure class A for the first 10 (or 25?) watts

As Dana Carvey would say, "wouldn't be prudent."

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ok..my A52 arrived..I am having trouble using the auto on...will be picking up a different 12v trigger wire as my Anthem does not have a mini plug that fits the cable provided..my B&K used a normal sized 12v cable to my pre amp..

in the meantime, I seem to have trouble getting the amp to turn on and off properly using the auto sense..any help would be appreciated...using manual set up for now

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on your problems with the a52 auto sensing, make sure your speakers are connected to the right inputs, your l/r front speakers should be in the first 2 inputs, those inputs are the ones that are sensitive to the auto on signal.

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that's the way I am set up.........

picked up a mini adaptor for my Anthem 12v triggers..all is well!!!

I, too have had trouble getting the A52's 12 V. trigger to work. It worked great with the Nuforce AVP17, but not at all with the P7. I'll check my speaker connections, but I'm pretty sure they're right. Haven't messed with it for quite a while.

Anyone else think the connection layouts are weird? I like the right speaker connection to be on the right, and the left on the left, so there's less crossing over of wires behind the unit (which sits beneath my TV.) Oh, well, the sound makes the minor inconveniences worth putting up with.

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I'm finally moving forward with the transition from a receiver-based system to one that includes both the 5125 and the 2125 power amps. They will be driving all seven of my Klipsch THX Ultra2 speakers. For the time being, I will be sticking with my Onkyo 905 AVR to use as a pre-amp until the funds become available to pick up a dedicated pre-pro. Thanks to everyone on this thread for their ongoing assistance!
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do you guys think that a used parasound 2205a is a good buy? how old is it? was it regarded as a good amp when it came out?

how does it compared to an ati 2205 and which would you pick?

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do you guys think that a used parasound 2205a is a good buy? how old is it? was it regarded as a good amp when it came out?

how does it compared to an ati 2205 and which would you pick?

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Hello,
The 2205a is an awesome 5 Channel Amplifier. There are no differences between the 2205a and 2205AT aside from cosmetics.

The 2205 uses a 2kVA Toroidal Transformer and 150,000uf of Capacitance.
Well over twice as powerful as a Emotiva XPA-5. (1.2 kVA/60,00uf) Granted, the 2205a originally retailed for 2500 Dollars while the XPA-5 retails for 800 Dollars.

It is very similar in design to the current 4500 Dollar Halo A51. The A51 uses a 2.2 kVA transformer and 164,000uf of Capacitance. The biggest difference is the Halo has XLR Connectors. Both were designed by John Curl.

The 2205a was made for 4 or 5 years so it is hard to say how old the one you are looking at is. You can call Parasound with the S/N.
The ATI is excellent as well, but I believe uses a cooling fan which can be audible. The 2205 was considered the most powerful Amplifier possible without using a fan. A 2205a just sold on Ebay for about a grand.
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Hello,
The 2205a is an awesome 5 Channel Amplifier. There are no differences between the 2205a and 2205AT aside from cosmetics.

The 2205 uses a 2kVA Toroidal Transformer and 150,000uf of Capacitance.
Well over twice as powerful as a Emotiva XPA-5. (1.2 kVA/60,00uf) Granted, the 2205a originally retailed for 2500 Dollars while the XPA-5 retails for 800 Dollars.

It is very similar in design to the current 4500 Dollar Halo A51. The A51 uses a 2.2 kVA transformer and 164,000uf of Capacitance. The biggest difference is the Halo has XLR Connectors. Both were designed by John Curl.

The 2205a was made for 4 or 5 years so it is hard to say how old the one you are looking at is. You can call Parasound with the S/N.
The ATI is excellent as well, but I believe uses a cooling fan which can be audible. The 2205 was considered the most powerful Amplifier possible without using a fan. A 2205a just sold on Ebay for about a grand.
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thanks, very informative.

do you happen to know the capacitance of the ATI? 150,000 in the parasound is pretty good.

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Picked up a 2205a last week and added it to my system. It replaced a B&K that I've run for a while. Really enjoying this unit with my rig. A well invested 1K improvement and built like a tank.

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Picked up a 2205a last week and added it to my system. It replaced a B&K that I've run for a while. Really enjoying this unit with my rig. A well invested 1K improvement and built like a tank.

Yes, it is. I've had one since '02. Can't wait to get my system shipped here in July. Marantz TT-15S1, Denon 1930ci, P7, HCA2205, 5 JBL PT800, Revel subs. And a new C3, if they're available by July.
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And a new C3, if they're available by July.

I've got my fingers crossed.
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like apples and oranges..both are excellent..my B&K was a bit warmer and more bass ..the parasound is a bit brighter so my nautilus 805's needed a bit of tweaking to compensate...however my B&K is a few years old and really broken in..the A52 was very cold when it was delivered and sounded so harsh..but after allowing it to warm up..it sounded the way it should, even better today and i am sure will get better in time

both provide great open sound when using the xlr connections from pre amp to krell cd player...waiting for cables to arrive to use xlrs to amp..vocals on parasound are more detailed and more forward

in 5 channel playback..both excell.but parasound seems to deliver cleaner vocals once again to center channel


just my early opinion after 2 days of messing around...selling my b&k av 5000 series II..check out audiogon.com

I've noticed several people replacing B&Ks with Parasounds, and wondered if there is some sort of natural progression there.
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I've got my fingers crossed.

I was thinking of getting a HK7550HD. But with all the problems I've been reading about, think I'll skip it and just go all Parasound processing/amp system. I do really like HK sound and their Logic 7. But I don't want an AVR with problems (mostly HDMI I think).
And from an email I got from Parasound, it sounds like they are taking great pains to make sure they don't have the same problems.
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Yes, it is. I've had one since '02. Can't wait to get my system shipped here in July. Marantz TT-15S1, Denon 1930ci, P7, HCA2205, 5 JBL PT800, Revel subs. And a new C3, if they're available by July.

hey there--i have a parasound c1 and that TT. make sure you get a phono preamp that has high enough output--my belles vp 129 is on the low side for the c1--it works with a high output mm (6.5mv) but with the attached cart you'll need upward of 40dB of gain. sounds like you will have a great system there--enjoy!

ps the 1930 as you must know is an overachiever--that model and the 2930 are some of the best values in audio and will sound fantastic in your setup.
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Perhaps the new Parasound C3 or the Marantz AV8003 are worth your consideration...

looking forward to the head to head comparos on these two!!

anyone compared the 8003 to the c1?
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I would give away an extremity to have the resources at my fingers to purchase a C3 when they are released!

I just purchased an old AVC-2500 to replace my Pioneer VSX-23 that is standing in as the rig's processor. The pioneer's dac performance is unacceptable compared to a parsound standalone dac and I'm hoping the 2500 can come close.

Hopefully.....someday C1..... maybe???

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I have a Parasound Zamp v.2 powering an single in ceiling speaker with two voice coils (stereo) for background music. I played above normal background music levels and it turned off due to overheating in about 10 minutes. The Zamp is sitting inside a cabinet with the front open. Are these Zamps only good for low level background music or do I need fans on these puppies if I want to turn up the volume a bit?
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I have a Parasound Zamp v.2 powering an single in ceiling speaker with two voice coils (stereo) for background music. I played above normal background music levels and it turned off due to overheating in about 10 minutes. The Zamp is sitting inside a cabinet with the front open. Are these Zamps only good for low level background music or do I need fans on these puppies if I want to turn up the volume a bit?

Well first thing I would do is call Parasound, maybe there is something wrong with the amp. I have a Zamp power a pair of 4ohm Totem Arros and I blast them, no problem. Also back in my installer days I used to use the Zamp to drive outdoor speakers and you know that those are usually driven quite hard. Can you remove the amp from the cabinet and see if it turns off?
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Hi guys, got a question regarding the P3 (or JC2). I was thinking of adding a 2100 to my Pioneer Elite VSX-23TXH for 2 channel music. But now I'm thinking of getting an A23 amp. This makes me want a new Halo pre-amp to match, but the P3 & JC2 don't have HT bypass. I'm going to have to be a one setup guy for the foreseeable future, so is there anyway to make it work? Like having Y-cables attached to the amp, and then the out of both the AVR and the pre-amp going into that? If I had to guess, I would think that's not a good idea, but thought I'd ask people more knowledgeable the I.

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Hi guys, got a question regarding the P3 (or JC2). I was thinking of adding a 2100 to my Pioneer Elite VSX-23TXH for 2 channel music. But now I'm thinking of getting an A23 amp. This makes me want a new Halo pre-amp to match, but the P3 & JC2 don't have HT bypass. I'm going to have to be a one setup guy for the foreseeable future, so is there anyway to make it work? Like having Y-cables attached to the amp, and then the out of both the AVR and the pre-amp going into that? If I had to guess, I would think that's not a good idea, but thought I'd ask people more knowledgeable the I.

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The P7 has ht bypass and its one super unit. Use it for anything from stereo to 7channel analogue. I use mine for TT, sacd, dvd-a, cd
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Second on the P7...but I thought I remembered something about the JC-2 getting HT bypass capability? Could be wrong.

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Thanks John and moonhawk for the P7 suggestion. Unfortunately, the P7 and JC-2 are out of my range anytime soon, so I was hoping to find a way for the P3 to work. I had some other thoughts for this and hope someone can tell me if these are good ideas or not:

1. Use balanced cables between the P3 and A23. Then use unbalanced between the AVR and the A23. When I want to listen to music (which I don't get to do much), flip the switch on the back of the amp to balanced, otherwise leave at unbalanced.

2. Use one of these Niles line level switchers, or a better one (suggestions?).

Any thoughts?

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I would contact parasound with a question like that, just to be safe.

They are very helpful. Also, you can often find great deals at Audio Advisor on open box or demo parasounds, fully warranted.

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I would contact parasound with a question like that, just to be safe.

They are very helpful. Also, you can often find great deals at Audio Advisor on open box or demo parasounds, fully warranted.

Yeah, I was thinking of asking them. I will also be keeping an eye on AA.

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The JC2 with HT bypass is still in the works right now. It has been delayed which I thought it would be out last January. I called parasound and said that if testing would yield excellent results, they would roll it out in the next 3 months. I am waiting for this and have been doing a lot of overtimes lately
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