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Sure. Just don't use the RCA stereo outs. I used to use the optical out on my Connect all the time.
Actually after some research I Might use the Bluesound Node 2 or Auralic Aries Mini to connect to my parasound ..

For some reasons I thought you had to use the USB input on the parasound to use the DAC..
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For some reasons I thought you had to use the USB input on the parasound to use the DAC..
If you send audio to it via any digital input, the DAC converts the signal to analog. If you use the analog inputs, the DAC doesn't get used because the signal is already analog...
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If you send audio to it via any digital input, the DAC converts the signal to analog. If you use the analog inputs, the DAC doesn't get used because the signal is already analog...

thanks for this; i'll just use the coaxial then. I'm guessing the parasound DAC is far superior to the DAC in the blue sound node 2?

Supported DAC Sampling Rates
USB: up to 384 kHz / 32-bit PCM

Coax/Opt: up to 192 kHz / 24-bit PCM

Does this mean USB is better and would produce better sound quality?

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AMP draw

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Still researching the A51 and A21. Im curious what the amp draw is for these two units? I have a 20 amp dedicated line. And the Parasound amps will be replacing 2 Krell KAV 250a/3 and 1 KAV 250a. My amp draw is 6 amps with my current system, but just want to know if I may be in trouble?

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Still researching the A51 and A21. Im curious what the amp draw is for these two units? I have a 20 amp dedicated line. And the Parasound amps will be replacing 2 Krell KAV 250a/3 and 1 KAV 250a. My amp draw is 6 amps with my current system, but just want to know if I may be in trouble?

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I have the A21 a P5 preamp and cambridge752 bd as well as HSU sub all on 1 15amp line with no problems at all. The A21 barely gets warm and sounds great in this 2 channel system. It replaced my Krell KAV 250A that also sounded great.
I moved the Krell 250A to my 5.2 system along with the Krell KAV 250A/3. The/3 is on a 20amp line along with a sub , nad dac,cambridge 752bd and 46" TV no problems. The 2 channel KAV is on a 15 amp line along with a sub , Anthem MRX310, Roku , and the lights in that room no problems. For awhile the everything was on the 20amp line with no problems. So while I don't have the A51 I think you'll be safe. PS IMHO the A21 and KAV250A both sound great in my two channel room. If I had to pick one over the other it would be tuff sound wise. The krell may have a little stronger bass... my ears my system. Hope some of this helps.
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I'm selling my A21, along with my B&W CM and SVS setup. If interested, head over to the classifieds or PM me.

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Thanks uthiker,
That's interesting. I was hoping there would be a big difference between the Krells and the A51 and A21 combo. Maybe ill expand my search to other amps.

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Thanks uthiker,
That's interesting. I was hoping there would be a big difference between the Krells and the A51 and A21 combo. Maybe ill expand my search to other amps.

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If you're looking for a very different sound you could try a Belles. I have a Krell integrated and the A52 and a boxed up Belles. The Krell and the Parasound are more alike than different but the Belles...wooo boy! is that a different thing. I am very tempted to put in back in but don't relish the rewiring.

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I have a Jc3+ that I've owned for about a year with no problems
. I was using s sounds its zephyr cart with the recommended 47K load setting on the Jc3+, worked flawlessly for a year.

Just upgraded to a Lyra etna MC cart, had it professionally installed, the recommended load for my cart is 100K. So I changed the Jc3+ load setting switch to 47k variable a load setting to 100k and it sounds like I'm playing an iPod
No low frequencies at all. Tried different loads on the dial, same problem. Switch back to fixed 47k as originally and sounds normal but not amazing. Installer said I'm not getting the full effect of the new cart because I can't send the proper load to it and that my Jc3+ is faulty. Anyone else ever this type of issue ?
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I have a Jc3+ that I've owned for about a year with no problems
. I was using s sounds its zephyr cart with the recommended 47K load setting on the Jc3+, worked flawlessly for a year.

Just upgraded to a Lyra etna MC cart, had it professionally installed, the recommended load for my cart is 100K. So I changed the Jc3+ load setting switch to 47k variable a load setting to 100k and it sounds like I'm playing an iPod
No low frequencies at all. Tried different loads on the dial, same problem. Switch back to fixed 47k as originally and sounds normal but not amazing. Installer said I'm not getting the full effect of the new cart because I can't send the proper load to it and that my Jc3+ is faulty. Anyone else ever this type of issue ?
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I am currently using a parasound a21 for my mains and an old Acurus a250 for my center channel a 4ohm speaker. It is not even close to the same league as the A21. I found a local guy selling an A21 I'd love to purchase it for my center and my Acurus for rears.

I think it would be a total waste to have a 2 channel amp driving my center channel, Parasound site doesn't say anything about the a21 being bridged to a 4 ohm speaker, just the specs of 700 watts bridged mono 8ohm.

Am I going to run into trouble using this A21 as a bridged mono amp for a 4 ohm speaker? yes I can buy an A31, but I've listened to one using 2 channel and I was not as impressed with it as my a21. The A21 for my center would be much much cheaper than a jc1.

I'm sure this has been asked before but Google did not bring up any results.


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Parasound site doesn't say anything about the a21 being bridged to a 4 ohm speaker, just the specs of 700 watts bridged mono 8ohm.

Am I going to run into trouble using this A21 as a bridged mono amp for a 4 ohm speaker?
Send an email to richard@parasound.com. He's very good about responding in a timely manner.
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Send an email to richard@parasound.com. He's very good about responding in a timely manner.
Thank you, just did. I'll post back at findings.

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I am currently using a parasound a21 for my mains and an old Acurus a250 for my center channel a 4ohm speaker. It is not even close to the same league as the A21. I found a local guy selling an A21 I'd love to purchase it for my center and my Acurus for rears.

I think it would be a total waste to have a 2 channel amp driving my center channel, Parasound site doesn't say anything about the a21 being bridged to a 4 ohm speaker, just the specs of 700 watts bridged mono 8ohm.

Am I going to run into trouble using this A21 as a bridged mono amp for a 4 ohm speaker? yes I can buy an A31, but I've listened to one using 2 channel and I was not as impressed with it as my a21. The A21 for my center would be much much cheaper than a jc1.

I'm sure this has been asked before but Google did not bring up any results.


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Obviously getting a response from Richard means more than anything I can say but I am pretty sure the A21 does not play nice with 4 ohm speakers bridged. I would highly suggest an A31 for center and surrounds. I agree the A21 is a better amp which is important for L&R, I just think it is less important for the center and surrounds in multichannel. But that is just my opinion, take it as such.
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I think it would be a total waste to have a 2 channel amp driving my center channel,
I use 2 centers so using an A21 to drive both would be sweet!

Can you get another center? Mine are above and below the screen so no horizontal combing issues here.
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I use 2 centers so using an A21 to drive both would be sweet!

Can you get another center? Mine are above and below the screen so no horizontal combing issues here.
That is cool idea but my center is huge, and in a living room. It would start to look like a dorm room.

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I think it would be a total waste to have a 2 channel amp driving my center channel, Parasound site doesn't say anything about the a21 being bridged to a 4 ohm speaker, just the specs of 700 watts bridged mono 8ohm.

Am I going to run into trouble using this A21 as a bridged mono amp for a 4 ohm speaker? yes I can buy an A31, but I've listened to one using 2 channel and I was not as impressed with it as my a21. The A21 for my center would be much much cheaper than a jc1.
If your speaker is 4 ohmns do not bridge it.
I use an A51 channel or the Voice2 and that works well. If you want to use both channels, then bi-amp is a better choice.


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Yup! no bridging into 4ohms with the A21 lest you want to have it repaired
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I wish I could find a jc 1 for around 2k that would fix all my problems.
I'm now using JC 1s for LCR that replaced a Proceed HPA 3 (3 mono blocks 250 watts@8Ω, 500 watts@4Ω). The HPAs are fine Mark Levinson amps in an industrial case. If it's of interest, I have an HPA 2 and HPA 3 that I'd be willing to sell for $500 a channel. One caveat: They're heavy; each weighs about 100 pounds.
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I have 2 A21's that I am using to bi-amp my speakers and I am very happy with the sound in my living area. I am looking to upgrade the amp (Onkyo integrated A9070, only using it as an amp) in my bedroom and JC1's come into mind however the size and the power they produce will be an overkill. I am looking for JC1 sound quality in a smaller package that can produce 20-30 wpc class A power. Any recommendations please?
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I have 2 A21's that I am using to bi-amp my speakers and I am very happy with the sound in my living area. I am looking to upgrade the amp (Onkyo integrated A9070, only using it as an amp) in my bedroom and JC1's come into mind however the size and the power they produce will be an overkill. I am looking for JC1 sound quality in a smaller package that can produce 20-30 wpc class A power. Any recommendations please?
No other Parasound amp, regardless of size, is going to match the JC-1 for quality. Their other amps are excellent, but the JC-1's are special.

As far as amps from other companies that would be comparable AND smaller, nothing comes immediately to mind. I suspect you may have better luck starting a new thread and including more details about your system (such as what speakers you have).
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Is audio advisors the only authorized online dealer for parasound amps? I am hoping to find an authorized dealer online where i can get an A31 for cheaper than $3k if possible.
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I have 2 A21's that I am using to bi-amp my speakers and I am very happy with the sound in my living area. I am looking to upgrade the amp (Onkyo integrated A9070, only using it as an amp) in my bedroom and JC1's come into mind however the size and the power they produce will be an overkill. I am looking for JC1 sound quality in a smaller package that can produce 20-30 wpc class A power. Any recommendations please?
8-10 watts of class A in A21 should be more than enough in most cases. A21 though is bulky as well. The only class A amps I know which have manageable size are from Nelson Pass First Watt. They can do up to 25-40wt, but that is max - so it will work only with sensitive speakers. Look also at Luxman L-550AX. Other option might be efficient low current class A voltage amp complemented with current dumping (a.k.a feedforward correction). These are e.g. AHB2 (which I own) and Devialet 120.
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Safe & Sound is an authorized dealer. They have an A31 B-Stock for $2,635 with full warranty, free shipping and lifetime technical support. I just bought a JC2 from them.

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Safe & Sound is an authorized dealer. They have an A31 B-Stock for $2,635 with full warranty, free shipping and lifetime technical support. I just bought a JC2 from them.

http://www.safeandsoundhq.com/produc...asound-B-Stock
Thanks for this. Ordered this afternoon. Didn't get my loyalty points. How much are the points worth? Probably going to get an A21 or two in the future.
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8-10 watts of class A in A21 should be more than enough in most cases. A21 though is bulky as well. The only class A amps I know which have manageable size are from Nelson Pass First Watt. They can do up to 25-40wt, but that is max - so it will work only with sensitive speakers. Look also at Luxman L-550AX. Other option might be efficient low current class A voltage amp complemented with current dumping (a.k.a feedforward correction). These are e.g. AHB2 (which I own) and Devialet 120.
Someday I would like to invest in a pair of JC1's although they take up quite a bit of room. I would love a Luxman or Accuphase amp/integrated but I can't justify the price that the 1 or 2 US dealers charge. A while back I requested a quote for an Accuphase amp from a dealer and it came back over 2 times the price of what they are sold in Japan. For right now, I ordered a Yamaha S2000 integrated at a good price to keep me going in my hobby.
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Thanks for this. Ordered this afternoon. Didn't get my loyalty points. How much are the points worth? Probably going to get an A21 or two in the future.
Congratulations. I received 3,395 loyalty points (one point per dollar spent) for my JC2 but I don't know what can be done with them. I assume you can use them for money off on future purchases. Maybe someone with more experience with S&S can answer this question. Did you register a new account when you bought your A31? I would contact them.
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Congratulations. I received 3,395 loyalty points (one point per dollar spent) for my JC2 but I don't know what can be done with them. I assume you can use them for money off on future purchases. Maybe someone with more experience with S&S can answer this question. Did you register a new account when you bought your A31? I would contact them.
I registered but called on the phone to verify the stock and ended up ordering over the phone. Oh well. Not a big deal.
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I have a Jc3+ that I've owned for about a year with no problems
. I was using s sounds its zephyr cart with the recommended 47K load setting on the Jc3+, worked flawlessly for a year.

Just upgraded to a Lyra etna MC cart, had it professionally installed, the recommended load for my cart is 100K. So I changed the Jc3+ load setting switch to 47k variable a load setting to 100k and it sounds like I'm playing an iPod
No low frequencies at all. Tried different loads on the dial, same problem. Switch back to fixed 47k as originally and sounds normal but not amazing. Installer said I'm not getting the full effect of the new cart because I can't send the proper load to it and that my Jc3+ is faulty. Anyone else ever this type of issue ?
I assume you have a VPI table if you were using a Zephyr cartridge. Perhaps the new cartridge needs a little tweaking or some break in time. My VPI classic 2 with the unipivot arm took some time to get the Zephyr the way I like it to sound. I am not using the JC3 but a Musical Surroundings Phenomina 2 plus which has a ton of settings. It is connected to a Prasound JC 2 and A21. I would think the JC3 is a much better phono stage so maybe you need to work with the new cartridge even if it was pro installed. The Zephyr is a moving iron that works like an MM, but the Lyra is an MC and an expensive one too. No way they can sound the same.

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