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Picking up a pair of JC-1's and an A31 tomorrow...
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Picking up a pair of JC-1's and an A31 tomorrow...
I suspect you're going to really like their sound. I use three JC 1s for LCR, and A 21 for side with an A 23 for rear surrounds. The result is great for music and HT.
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Hello all,
I have a question about the Halo 21? I have an Anthem MRX 1120 5.1.4 system. My front speakers are Revel P 206s. How much better would a Halo 21 sound with the 206s compared to the Anthem amp section? I would use the Anthem as a a preamp and run ARC. Would the only difference be volume or would I get better overall sound including depth/imaging/clarity. I am most interested in using this for 2.1 music listening.

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Hello Sorry to be a pain in the A, but can any A21 users reply?
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Hello Sorry to be a pain in the A, but can any A21 users reply?


Youll have to be patient. Not everyone with an A21 has an Anthem handy to compare.


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Youll have to be patient. Not everyone with an A21 has an Anthem handy to compare.
Exactly as I suspect that a sarcastic answer like "it will sound 23.5% better" wouldn't be appreciated or helpful.

In all seriousness, the best option is to purchase the amp from a place with a good return policy (or work out a loaner from a local dealer) and try it yourself. That's the only good way to decide if it's worth it to you, @HeffeMusic . How much of an improvement, if any, will also need to factor in the speakers that are being used by the person providing the comparison. Less efficient (harder to drive) speakers, like Revel Salon 2's, are more likely to benefit than more efficient speakers (pretty much anything from Klipsch being a good example).
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Hello Sorry to be a pain in the A, but can any A21 users reply?
My brother-in-law with Revel F206's driven by an A21.

He had Outlaw M2200 which are G based and we compared it to my A51.
At low level, I cannot say if there was a noticeable difference.

He likes it loud so we pushed the volume into the high 80 dB range, the M2200 sounded strained and got a bit harsh.
The A51 sounded great. That is why he purchased the A21.
The A21 and F206's are a fantastic match.

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Thanks for the replies. Much appreciated. Once again sorry to be pushy.
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Received my A21 about a week ago and it sounds phenomenal. Right now I'm using it in conjunction with my Halo Integated bi-amping a set of Paradigm Studio 100 v4 main speakers. Many thanks to Richard Schram who personally replied to my question about using the A21 with the Halo Integrated.
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These rating do not seem to be correct. For example, the A51 I had measured 225 watts at startup and 150 watts at idle.
The document shows 250 BTU which according to the calculator below converts to 73 watts.



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Nice catch Rich! you are correct. One of the calculations for this chart was wrong. There is a new BTU chart with the updated figures. It will be sent out on Monday. If you have any specific questions about this you or anyone else can call us directly.

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Thanks for the info on the zonemaster. I just picked up a 450 which I will run bridged for my 2 Atmos overheads.

Due to space issues I plan to sell my A52 and use my A23 that I had up front for rears along with the new A31 for the fronts. Once I build up to 5.1.4 I can either use the 450 in 4 channels or add another one and bridge it to 160 watts if the extra power is needed. These are really cool flexible little amps.

FYI, I emailed Parasound and received a response on the weekend of the 4th from Richard Schram recommending the 450. Great service!!

Hoping to make the switch this week, I'm glad to hear the zonemasters play well I was concerned that I was downgrading but the halo may be overkill for the ceiling speakers anyway!




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So I pulled my a52 and put back the A23 for my side surrounds. Also picked up the zonemaster 450 for the top centers.

Overall very impressed with this little amp matches nicely with the rest of the system. I'm running it bridged 2 channel. A real cool thing is it's less than 2 inches tall and half width so I can add a second one next to it once I do the second ceilings.

I'm thrilled I freed up space in my cabinet to get where I want with channels, am totally pleased, next stop speaker upgrade.

If any one is considering the zonemasters I can't speak enough to the quality and size.

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Anybody have a Halo Ax1 series hooked up to E or R 55ti emptek/rbh towers and E or R 56ti emptek/rbh center channel? Would like to know of the sound stays neutral or gets warmer with a paramount amp. Eager to hear some opinions.

Also, does anybody know ~ what wattage halo series runs at @ on 6 ohm speakers. Halo is rated 250w per child @ 8ohm and 400w for 4ohm speakers. I doubt the easy answer will be 325w but I'm sure that is close or is the math linear for that? And I am assuming @ 6ohms the Halo A31 I have will run much warmer? Surprisingly, mine doesn't get very warm during a movie. Might notice the heat if have a long music listening session, especially if the music is bassy. Haven't felt it get too warm yet, but I'm running two 120mm Noctua fans on top. Should I expect more heat with a 6ohm speaker for sure? First dedicated amplifier and logic and common sense say yes.
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Like to tell you all, I still use a Parasound HCA 800 II for my 2 channel set-up in my primary home..

That puppy still sounds very rich & lots of punch. I will be moving it to our vacation home to drive my 2 front speakers in my new expanded 5.1.4 set-up. AVR is a Yamaha A2050 9 channel amp, but want to drive the fronts with the Parasound. Bought it new in 1990 or 91. Been rock solid, and has been super reliable to boot. Will use an older 7 channel Yamaha AVR to drive my 2 channel set-up in its place.
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I just bought pair of Klipsch Palladium speakers last week. My current power amp is a Marantz MM 7025 with 140 wpc. I decided that they would sound much better with a more powerful amp that would not be running out of steam when the speakers are barely getting spooled up. A bought a silver A21 which for now will be paired with my current Marantz AV7702. This will be my first Parasound product. I have heard nothing but great things about them.

Eventually I might end up getting a P5. I really do not use all of the features of the Marantz pre / pro. The only thing I use it for that the P5 could not do is wireless for Pandora and streaming from iTunes in my Mac.

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I just bought pair of Klipsch Palladium speakers last week. My current power amp is a Marantz MM 7025 with 140 wpc. I decided that they would sound much better with a more powerful amp that would not be running out of steam when the speakers are barely getting spooled up. A bought a silver A21 which for now will be paired with my current Marantz AV7702. This will be my first Parasound product. I have heard nothing but great things about them.

Eventually I might end up getting a P5. I really do not use all of the features of the Marantz pre / pro. The only thing I use it for that the P5 could not do is wireless for Pandora and streaming from iTunes in my Mac.
How loud is "barely getting spooled up"? The Palladium series has a sensitivity of 94db - 99db.
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After having the Parasounds up and running a little over a week the only complaint I have is how much heat they put off, other than that they are OMG amazing!
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After having the Parasounds up and running a little over a week the only complaint I have is how much heat they put off, other than that they are OMG amazing!
If you switch the JC 1s to low bias it will reduce heat very substantially and probably still provide sufficient Class A amplification for your needs.

They are amazing amps. I had a literal jaw dropping experience when I played a recording of the Saint-Seans 8th symphony, the organ symphony, using the JC 1s to drive my KEF Reference 107/2s.
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If you switch the JC 1s to low bias it will reduce heat very substantially and probably still provide sufficient Class A amplification for your needs.

They are amazing amps. I had a literal jaw dropping experience when I played a recording of the Saint-Seans 8th symphony, the organ symphony, using the JC 1s to drive my KEF Reference 107/2s.
Saint-Saens wrote just 4 symphonies.
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After having the Parasounds up and running a little over a week the only complaint I have is how much heat they put off, other than that they are OMG amazing!
Are you running 8/6/4 ohm speakers? Music or movies? Mine usually only get warm long music sessions with 8 ohm speakers. Movies they rarely get noticeably warm.
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Saint-Saens wrote just 4 symphonies.
Sorry. I meant 3rd.
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If you switch the JC 1s to low bias it will reduce heat very substantially and probably still provide sufficient Class A amplification for your needs.

They are amazing amps. I had a literal jaw dropping experience when I played a recording of the Saint-Seans 8th symphony, the organ symphony, using the JC 1s to drive my KEF Reference 107/2s.
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Sorry. I meant 3rd.
Wouldn't be this one? if so my jaw hits the floor every time I listen to it

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So I am getting an A21 and have a question. I am not familiar with the bias adjustment. I will be using the amp with a pair of Klipsch Palladium 4 ohm speakers and a Marantz AV7702 MKI pre / pro. The amp will be in a well ventilated but enclosed cabinet. Once it is in there, I would not have access to the adjustment unless I slide it out again. Is there an adjustment guide for me to use to help me decide where to set it? The manual does not really go into depth on the subject.

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There is not a bias adjustment on the A21, just 2 gain knobs one per channel. Just leave them both turned up to "THX".

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Hey Chris. Thanks for the reply. Got my wires crossed about the term bias versus gain as relates to the controls on the A21.
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My A21 doesn't get hot, so I suspect that providing the ventilation space above it that the manual specifies will be adequate. The JC 1s have a bias switch but no gain knob, and it's only in the high bias mode that it gets hot -- not very warm, hot.
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Tried a search, but why have they always omitted a HDMI port on their preamps?

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Tried a search, but why have they always omitted a HDMI port on their preamps?
My suspicion is that (1) it was not in particular demand until recently and (2) it was expensive to implement in relation to the demand.

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My suspicion is that (1) it was not in particular demand until recently and (2) it was expensive to implement in relation to the demand.

I will see Richard Schramm later this week; I wil ask him.
By now, even the lower end of the mid-priced receivers/preamps that are labeled 7.1 include hdmi, as today I looked and the P7 model has no hdmi and is labeled 7.1 It has no coax or optical inputs either

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By now, even the lower end of the mid-priced receivers/preamps that are labeled 7.1 include hdmi, as today I looked and the P7 model has no hdmi and is labeled 7.1 It has no coax or optical inputs either
Of course, it has nothing digital in it. It's an analog preamp, not an AVR or prepro.

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Big question. Out of concern. I have a parasound A31. Seriously still want JBL L890s and LC1. might be able to get a decent deal on the L890s and not worried about power at all. 250w RMS/500w peak. Otoh, the LC1 though I am hugely concerned. 150w RMS/300w peak. And as we all know the center does a lot of the lifting. Always wanted JBL as I like their sound, but their recent offerings for consumer market just doesn't appeal to me and the pro stuff is too expensive. Btw, the JBL's mentioned are 8ohms.

I am also considering emptek R55 towers and R56 center. Towers rated @ 6ohms and 50-200w. No peak mentioned. R56 is rated 6ohms 50-175w, no peak mentioned. At 6ohms I'm sure my A31 could push 300w+ easily. Ive been told don't even try and play reference level, and I already knew that going in. Going off my onkyo 3009 volume display I usually listen to movies at -10 to -25dB. Music depends how bassy or trebly it is, but usually -20 to -40dB.

I believe the JBLs are rated 91dB sensitivity and the empteks 88dB towers and 87dB for the center.

The JBLs should get louder much easier. And I have no peak reference level on the emp's. Any advice that can be offered. I might pull the trigger this weekend, well on the JBL L890s at least since they are so hard to find at reasonable not gouged prices. Leaning towards the JBLs, but hoping the kind folks at video science forum can offer more depth, caution and advice. Don't want to waste a couple thousand dollars because I know the A31 is a very capable amp. Thanks.

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Big question. Out of concern. I have a parasound A31. Seriously still want JBL L890s and LC1. might be able to get a decent deal on the L890s and not worried about power at all. 250w RMS/500w peak. Otoh, the LC1 though I am hugely concerned. 150w RMS/300w peak. And as we all know the center does a lot of the lifting. Always wanted JBL as I like their sound, but their recent offerings for consumer market just doesn't appeal to me and the pro stuff is too expensive. Btw, the JBL's mentioned are 8ohms.

I am also considering emptek R55 towers and R56 center. Towers rated @ 6ohms and 50-200w. No peak mentioned. R56 is rated 6ohms 50-175w, no peak mentioned. At 6ohms I'm sure my A31 could push 300w+ easily. Ive been told don't even try and play reference level, and I already knew that going in. Going off my onkyo 3009 volume display I usually listen to movies at -10 to -25dB. Music depends how bassy or trebly it is, but usually -20 to -40dB.

I believe the JBLs are rated 91dB sensitivity and the empteks 88dB towers and 87dB for the center.

The JBLs should get louder much easier. And I have no peak reference level on the emp's. Any advice that can be offered. I might pull the trigger this weekend, well on the JBL L890s at least since they are so hard to find at reasonable not gouged prices. Leaning towards the JBLs, but hoping the kind folks at video science forum can offer more depth, caution and advice. Don't want to waste a couple thousand dollars because I know the A31 is a very capable amp. Thanks.
You should look for an LC2. It has a dedicated midrange driver which is important for a center.
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