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You might want to take a look at this thread. It's mainly an issue for multi-channel however.

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That makes me sick. I bought the OPPO solely for it's reputable analog output over everything else, as any other quality DAC/preamp with bass management is like $4k up.

I haven't heard any issues, but I mostly use the OPPO for music, and I have the Sub trim output at 0. I use the gain on the Sub amp to level match using mini DSP.

The OPPO outputs the Sub line at -15dB so I do need to crank up the Sub amp to level match. I thought the -15dB output was to have sufficient headroom for non clipped output. Clipping something on purported audiophile player should be an embarrassment to a company such as Oppo.

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That makes me sick. I bought the OPPO solely for it's reputable analog output over everything else, as any other quality DAC/preamp with bass management is like $4k up.

I haven't heard any issues, but I mostly use the OPPO for music, and I have the Sub trim output at 0. I use the gain on the Sub amp to level match using mini DSP.

The OPPO outputs the Sub line at -15dB so I do need to crank up the Sub amp to level match. I thought the -15dB output was to have sufficient headroom for non clipped output. Clipping something on purported audiophile player should be an embarrassment to a company such as Oppo.
As I said, I think this is mainly just an issue with LFE and multi-channel output. Just wanted to make you aware. By the way, the Parasound P5 can do what you want for much less than $4K. The P7 would be even better at $2.2K but with no DAC.

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i have a P7 and a A21. I have the A21 gain at max. When I turn the volume up on the P7 (with the Oppo 105 off), there is a lot of hiss noise from the speakers at around 85 and up volume level on the P7. what should i do?
i can hear the distortion after the music is off...after i stop the music on the Oppo. it can get annoying hearing that noise. the reason i listen to that level on the P7 because my Oppo Volume is set at variable at 72. I find that number to be the sweet spot for clarity at high volumes.

im thinking to adjust the gain on the A21 down to 12 o' clock or maybe get a power conditioner.
I am having issues with my 105 /p7 /a21 . Are you able to adjust Tim levels via the oppo to the p7 ? I find that running the oppo straight to the a21 sounds better than the oppo / p7 /a21 . Although the bass is way better when the p7 is in the mix , but I lose fidelity .
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Please call our technical department regarding your P5 and this issue.

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Thanks for responding. I will get in touch with the tech department.

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For anyone who says that amps don't make a difference either has bad speakers, a bad source, or bad ears.

I had Emotiva XPA200 and recently purchased Parasound A21, and all I can say is wow - what a difference. The Parasound is better all around. Very happy with it. It took about an hour to warm up nicely.

I have OPPO BDP105 connected directly to amp and think it sounds fantastic. I am using RCA cables. Would XLR cables make a difference or does connecting the Parasound with RCA cables no difference? Already happy with the amp.

I have no plans to add a preamp as any good one is very expensive and doesn't have the sub crossover I need for my 2.1 system - the OPPO has this all built in.
The main reason to get the 105 over the 103 is for the balanced out (they even say this on their website), so yeah you should definitely be using XLR...

Understanding the Differences Between the BDP-103 and BDP-105

The OPPO BDP-103 and BDP-105 share the same primary components (including the mainboard, laser, and loader) for superb audio and video playback, and while the BDP-103 and BDP-105 are identical in performance when it comes to audio and video over HDMI, the BDP-105 offers a number of enhancements:
The BDP-105 features improved sound quality from its analog audio outputs with its implementation of dual 32-bit ESS Technology digital-to-analog converters, a toroidal power supply, and two sets of dedicated stereo analog outputs (balanced XLR and unbalanced RCA) for 2-channel enthusiasts. Customers who do a great deal of critical music listening using a very high end, analog connected system will benefit most from these additions.
The BDP-105 features a headphone amplifier for use with high-quality headphones.
The BDP-105 features three additional digital audio inputs: optical, coaxial, and a 2-channel asynchronous USB DAC input.
Furthermore, the BDP-105 is graced with additional aesthetic and ergonomic enhancements that include a larger 4.8 inch tall chassis, sculpted aluminum front panel, touch sensitive front-panel playback controls, availability of an optional rack mount kit, and availability in Black or Silver.
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I know the manual says that they are only recommended for 8 ohm mono, but would the Zamp v.3 survive with a 4 ohm mono load with the gains turned down for limited use as surround channel amps? I could go with an A23, however 2 Zamp's are the perfect size and I wouldn't have to totally reconfigure my system for them like I would the A23...
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The main reason to get the 105 over the 103 is for the balanced out (they even say this on their website), so yeah you should definitely be using XLR...
The main reason to get the 105 over the 103 is when using the dedicated analog stereo outputs, regardless of whether you use single ended RCA or balanced XLR. Since the 105's XLR outputs are fully balanced, there may be advantages to using them instead of the single ended outputs if the rest of the chain is also fully balanced, but either will be an improvement over the 103's analog outputs as both use the SABRE ES9018 and associated all around improved DAC implementation over the 103.
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The main reason to get the 105 over the 103 is when using the dedicated analog stereo outputs, regardless of whether you use single ended RCA or balanced XLR. Since the 105's XLR outputs are fully balanced, there may be advantages to using them instead of the single ended outputs if the rest of the chain is also fully balanced, but either will be an improvement over the 103's analog outputs as both use the SABRE ES9018 and associated all around improved DAC implementation over the 103.
Sorry, the dedicated analog out is what I was meaning by the balanced out comment. I didn't realize the RCA's were part of this (I only had XLR's).
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I know the manual says that they are only recommended for 8 ohm mono, but would the Zamp v.3 survive with a 4 ohm mono load with the gains turned down for limited use as surround channel amps? I could go with an A23, however 2 Zamp's are the perfect size and I wouldn't have to totally reconfigure my system for them like I would the A23...
The Zamp does not have the current capacity to power a 4 ohm load in a bridge mono configuration. The gains have no effect on this as they are merely input attenuators. Have a look at the ZoneMaster amps. The Zonemaster model 250 and 450 are both the same size as the Zamp v.3 and have much higher output capabilities into a 4 ohm load. The ZoneMaster 450 could power two 4 ohm speakers in bridged mode giving each a full 200 watts. or four 4 ohm speakers in stereo mode giving each one 90 watts. Let me know if you have any further questions about this configuration.
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The Zamp does not have the current capacity to power a 4 ohm load in a bridge mono configuration. The gains have no effect on this as they are merely input attenuators. Have a look at the ZoneMaster amps. The Zonemaster model 250 and 450 are both the same size as the Zamp v.3 and have much higher output capabilities into a 4 ohm load. The ZoneMaster 450 could power two 4 ohm speakers in bridged mode giving each a full 200 watts. or four 4 ohm speakers in stereo mode giving each one 90 watts. Let me know if you have any further questions about this configuration.
Thanks I'll check them out. Could they be mounted vertically?
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Looking to buy an A52, preferably black.


Yeah...it's like looking for a unicorn.

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Looking to buy an A52, preferably black.


Yeah...it's like looking for a unicorn.


Do not exist.


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Do not exist....as in, they are only silver face? That's cool too. The only reason I was looking for a black one is because (If they did come in black) it would more likely be newer. All my gear is in a rack room anyway, so I really don't care what the finish is/what color the lights are etc.

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For anyone who says that amps don't make a difference either has bad speakers, a bad source, or bad ears.


^^this.


Regarding cables, there are those who believe if you don't have any ground hum issues with the RCA's it makes no difference. EVERYTHING makes a difference. Amps, cables, speakers...they all measure differently, so why wouldn't they sound different?


Capacitance and skin effect are real things. Now, you can spend a TON of money on snake oil cables if you'd like to line someone's pockets, but there certainly is a difference between say a Mogami and a Hosa. Heck, in my session days I could tell the difference between Monster, Mogami, and Canare cables (all XLR or TRS) when using the same signal chain. Mixing rigs nowadays make it easy to flip back and forth quickly between tracks.


Whether they sound better or worse as the price goes up is harder to qualify, but anyone who says that there IS no difference is just silly.


Try the XLR's. They might, or might not sound better. Heck, maybe you wont even tell a difference, but a different RCA might make one. For what its worth, I use mostly Blue Jeans Cables. Not because I think they are the best cables on the planet, but because they are solidly built and reasonably priced. When I decided to locate a rack in a remote location, I pulled a LOT of speaker wire. Had I used the Audiophile cable du jour, my kids wouldn't be able to attend college.
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Do not exist....as in, they are only silver face? That's cool too. The only reason I was looking for a black one is because (If they did come in black) it would more likely be newer. All my gear is in a rack room anyway, so I really don't care what the finish is/what color the lights are etc.


Yes. Discontinued in 2012. I recently sold mine it was a great five channel amp. You can find them from time to time.


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Looking to buy an A52, preferably black.


Yeah...it's like looking for a unicorn.
I have a silver one. I cannot imagine what I would replace it with giving its quality, sound etc.

Although I do sometimes get annoyed with its weight and heat output.
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I have a silver one. I cannot imagine what I would replace it with giving its quality, sound etc.

Although I do sometimes get annoyed with its weight and heat output.
Well, if the heat and weight ever get to be too much for you...

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Try the XLR's. They might, or might not sound better. Heck, maybe you wont even tell a difference, but a different RCA might make one. For what its worth, I use mostly Blue Jeans Cables. Not because I think they are the best cables on the planet, but because they are solidly built and reasonably priced. When I decided to locate a rack in a remote location, I pulled a LOT of speaker wire. Had I used the Audiophile cable du jour, my kids wouldn't be able to attend college.
+1 for BJC XLR. They are affordable, and sounds great.
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Hi, I'm trying to get the trigger output of my Denon AVR-4311 to power on/off my Parasound HCA-2205AT. The Denon trigger output is just a 3.5mm connection, although it does say that a mono cable is required rather than stereo. The Parasound trigger input has two screw terminals - one +12V and one ground. Will a mono 3.5mm cable have 2 connections inside if I cut off one of the ends? If not, what do I need to do to make this work? Thanks.

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Hi, I'm trying to get the trigger output of my Denon AVR-4311 to power on/off my Parasound HCA-2205AT. The Denon trigger output is just a 3.5mm connection, although it does say that a mono cable is required rather than stereo. The Parasound trigger input has two screw terminals - one +12V and one ground. Will a mono 3.5mm cable have 2 connections inside if I cut off one of the ends? If not, what do I need to do to make this work? Thanks.
A mono cable has a single conductor and a ground. The tip is the 12V and the body is the ground....just connect to the trigger terminals appropriately.



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Hi, I'm trying to get the trigger output of my Denon AVR-4311 to power on/off my Parasound HCA-2205AT. The Denon trigger output is just a 3.5mm connection, although it does say that a mono cable is required rather than stereo. The Parasound trigger input has two screw terminals - one +12V and one ground. Will a mono 3.5mm cable have 2 connections inside if I cut off one of the ends? If not, what do I need to do to make this work? Thanks.
Are you getting a snug connection when you plug into the Parasound. IIRC Parasound uses an unusual connector size for the trigger and I could never make a connection work. I gave up and rely on the audio signals from the preamp and processor to trigger the amps.

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Are you getting a snug connection when you plug into the Parasound. IIRC Parasound uses an unusual connector size for the trigger and I could never make a connection work. I gave up and rely on the audio signals from the preamp and processor to trigger the amps.

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I only have a stereo cord on hand and no it's not working. Gonna order a mono plug and keep my fingers crossed.
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I have a Parasound Halo A21 amp currently connected directly to an OPPO 105 via RCA connection. Is it worth going XLR connection with this combo? I'm not sure either is fully balanced but both have XLR connections. Has anyone tried RCA vs XLR with Parasound Halo?
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