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post #1 of 17 Old 02-21-2009, 03:50 PM - Thread Starter
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I'm in the market for a new receiver and its come down to these two receivers primarily. Only other one I was considering is the VSX-03 if there isn't enough of a difference in features/power,etc.

My current setup is:
Cerwin Vega LS12's (L/R)
Definitive CLR2002 (Center)
Klipsch XB10's (Rears)
Klipsch XW300D (Sub)
Onkyo TX-SR700
Pioneer PDP4271HD
Sharp BD20u Blu Ray
Toshiba HD20 HD DVD
Momitsu V880N
XBox360
Scientific Atlantic Cable Box

I am more than likely upgrading my Television to the Pro111fd and the front's to either XF48's or Martin Logan Purity's within the next year as well.

Looking like 4-5 HDMI devices here as well so I'll have to downgrade at least one to Component or run HDMI straight to the TV and back down to the receiver since I believe both feature 4 HDMI ins?

I'm concerned with power/amperage(sp?) in the unit as well since at current it seems like a good portion of my dialog gets washed out since the CLR2002 is on the floor due to its size.

Suggestions, Advice, Considerations would be appreciated, thanks.

Oh, price isn't a consideration here either, just want the best for my setup
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My vote goes to the SC-05. I beleive there is an interface function with your future Kuro display. Have you read the SC05,SC07 thread? If not start there. Many think that 876 was a step down from the 875. I don't know because I don't have either. Read both dedicated threads to your choices and then go from there.
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trying to read through both massived threads right now. I was pretty dissapointed to find no variable crossovers on the 05 for each channel.
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I've been following the 876 thread and I haven't heard some feel it's a downgrade from the 875. It was reported there that the 876 can drive 5 channels to 166 watts @ .1 THD, which is above it's 140 watt rating. Most receivers can't beat their rating at 5 channels anymore, and can only do this when driving 2 channels.

I have read that the 806 is widely considered to be a downgrade from the 805, and that the xx5 series had more bug issues.
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the 876 is not a downgrade, the 806 is a dwongrade to the 805
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It is actually an upgrade to the 875 because of the greatly enhanced software features.

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I've been following the 876 thread and I haven't heard some feel it's a downgrade from the 875. It was reported there that the 876 can drive 5 channels to 166 watts @ .1 THD, which is above it's 140 watt rating. Most receivers can't beat their rating at 5 channels anymore, and can only do this when driving 2 channels.

I have read that the 806 is widely considered to be a downgrade from the 805, and that the xx5 series had more bug issues.

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Given your hodgepodge of speakers, it looks like you might benefit greatly from a more modest AVR along with some of that budget some focused towards your speakers... maybe a matching front 3 and subwoofer upgrade...

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I do agree that my L/Rs are in need of an upgrade. Depending upon how I feel about it, I'll go one of two ways - A Full Powered Tower like the XF48's from Klipsch, Definitive's 7 series (maybe 002s) or Go Electrostatic and buy a pair of Purities. The Sub, rears and Center while not of the same brand do match up pretty well.
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I'd go through the speaker upgrade process first... if you go with powered mains, the need for an AVR with such powerful amplification will be somewhat mitigated. Something more modest with an adequate feature set (think Pioneer 1018AH) would do the job well. If you go with electrostats, it seems the same course of action would be prudent (mode modest AVR) but with external amplification.

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its a no brainer considering price.

Onkyo $969
Pioneer Elite $1500
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its a no brainer considering price.

Onkyo $969
Pioneer Elite $1500

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Discount? Did I hear discount? How about a hook up? I need some Def Tech SM350 and Def Tech PC2000. Anyway, isn't the 876 a much newer unit than the 05? Also, since you work at Magnolia, what do you prefer on the auto calibration? Audyssey or MCACC? And I believe that the Dynamic Volume works on all levels (tv>commercial, DVD, Stereo, 5.1, etc.) The '08 Pioneer's ALC only works on Stereo-mode. How about features? How much features will you use on either Onk or Pio? I believe there's an ISF in the Onk. Do you need that? You may also want to consider that the Onk has 2 HDMI-out while the Pio only has 1. You need to move up to the 07 to get that 2 HDMI-out. And since you work there, why not taking them out for a spin?
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Phoenix, I'll say up front that I'm a Pioneer Elite SC 05 owner....and a thrilled one, at that.

I had (for a brief time) an Onkyo 805. Had issues and returned it.

What I will say, is there will be no heat issues using the ICEamps in the SC series. They run very cool, and are very powerful.

It looks like you only need one HDMI "out" (to your display). But, if you need two HDMI out, the the SC 07 would be the one to get.

There are Onkyo threads all over AVS. So, you can browse those.

The Pioneer SC enthusiasts all seem to congregate here, though. Be sure to read the first page of the thread for both pro and user reviews.....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1057599

The SC 07 started shipping somewhere around Oct '08. The SC 05 started shipping shortly thereafter.

The entire SC line is the latest and greatest in the Elite line.

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Has anyone done a double blind test (ABX) between the two for sound quality?
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No...but I triple blind tested the equipment in Serial Killer Van with some Playboy bunnies
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Any other ideas? I am in the spot deciding between these two?
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Any other ideas? I am in the spot deciding between these two?

Are you going to have someone over to calibrate your Kuro? If so if you get the 876 they can do it at the same time for a charge. Do you feel like you need the video processing that the 876 does? Problably not. Go for the Sc-05 and forget about the processing that the 876 does, you don't need it for that Kuro. The SC-05 runs a lot cooler and has just as much power. If you feel you need the two HDMI outs move up to the SC-07 with your discount. They should both(876 and SC-07) be in ~the same price range now. If you can't get the discount for the SC-07 there you can get one at Videogon for the same price as the 876. JMHO.
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