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post #1 of 23 Old 03-29-2009, 12:37 PM - Thread Starter
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I need a phono preamp...I'm using the Technics SL-1300 turntable...I found several different brands, just enough to confuse me in which one to purchase...I would like to keep the price below $300....appreciate all recommendations...
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I went with this one

http://www.amazon.com/TC-750LC-Profe...355890&sr=8-11

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Excellent resource: phonopreamps.com

Includes the unit that Audiguy referenced and many others.

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Any experience or opinions with tube type such as Rolls VP130 ?

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i have it an love it. downside is low gain--need a fairly high output cart with it. avoid the music hall. cambridge one is nice.
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ok this post is to be able to post an URL.
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and this one too- sorry guys i had no idea of how to solve this
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now what i wanted to tell you:
guys,

i m here doubting between



REK-O-KUT AUDIOPHILE ARCHIVAL PREAMP



http://hagtech.com/bugle.html

and
http://www.phonopreamps.com/tc750lcpp.html

and this one:
http://www.needledoctor.com/Needle-D...phile-Archival
Esoteric Sounds Rek-O-Kut Audiophile Archival Preamp: Professional Moving Magnet Preamp
looks really good in specs... isn t it?

having a rega p3-24 woth TT psu and Elys2 MM (1.75g)
and a NAD c320 amplifier (2x30Watts)


thanks for your advice
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This may be more of a diversion than help. but in that price range I would also consider the Cambridge Audio 540P or 640P and the NAD PP2 phono preamp. The 640P and PP-2 have flexible settings for moving coil or moving magnet cartridges.

http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products.php#amplifiers

http://nadelectronics.com/products/h...o-Preamplifier

Or if your want a phono preamp with a built in DAC look at the NAD PP-3.

http://nadelectronics.com/products/h...o-Preamplifier
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Hi!

i first thought of the NAD pp2 to tell you the truth
but the gain is a bit ppoor (40db).

I also heard about these two:

creek obh8 and seduction:
http://www.needledoctor.com/Creek-OB...2&category=401
http://www.bottlehead.com/et/adobesp.../seduction.htm

the seduction is like OUT of price range but so cool. (have no clue about sound performance).
...
thanks for your post
will look right now at the cambidge.
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I had the Creek a few years ago, and the wall wort made an annoying buzzing sound. Might want to look into that, as I recall it being something lots of people complained about.

How about the Parasound Zphono? http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Paraso...m.-a0171656719
It's hard to find reliable measurements of phono preamps.
The Zphono will give you 46dB gain at 1kHz in the MM mode and 61dB in the MC mode.
Audio Advisor has a refurb right now at an attractive price:
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo...mber=2PAZPHONO
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oh
wow
i was really thinking of the Creek during the night
i ll have to check it, cause it would be annoying.
just looked a beautiful and well done piece.
on the other hand, $250 and built in 2003... there might have been improvements or hardware got cheaper since 2003. Don t know.
If it is noisy... humpf.

Thanks for your link.
As for the measurements, are you telling me that i don t have to follow the specs?
Cause the NAD should be good, shouldn't it? but as for its specs, it s a bit poor. (it s also only 90$)
Though i like the MM/MC switch.

The ZPhono: "Stereophile's Michael Fremer praises the Zphono for making "an impressive showing for a budget-priced phono preamp: similar to the NAD PP-2's overall performance, but with more extension, air, and sparkle on top." According to Fremer, "The overall picture had a pleasing clarity and rhythmic organization. Cymbals rang cleanly and with more metallic edge than through the PP-2, and, overall, there was more 'air'."


BAD POINT:
"Parasound products cannot be shipped outside the USA."

It's nothing about shipping costs. I think it s more the "120V output"... aaargh. so it's not possible to make it work in Europe.


As for the NAD pp-2 ,avail. at hifix.co.uk, here's their response:
"hi,
sorry we only ship inside the uk"



For the noises, I read amny people having noise problems with their phono amps. Some ground related thing I guess. Any feedback?


Thanks anyway for your time, i ll have to keep looking.
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Read in the manual:

Note 1.
The OBH-18 should be placed away from power supply hum fields
for the lowest noise operation.
Note 2.
It is necessary for the OBH-18 to be 'burned-in' for at least 24 hours
before its full sound quality potential can be realised.


Well, people having noise problems also tried to place their device away from the PSUs... Wrong?


Actually, I liked, besides the specs of the parasound Zphono:
- its look
- the rear switch
- the green light (all my devices come to have green lights... it s been a coincidence, but if I can keep this, it would be cool)
- more important: no power switch: always stays turned on. This is important, cause my parents are a bit noobs with "technology".
Switching 3 units to get a sound would perturb them

If you know of another device having such features, you re warmly welcome.
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Read in the manual:

Note 1.
The OBH-18 should be placed away from power supply hum fields
for the lowest noise operation.
Note 2.
It is necessary for the OBH-18 to be 'burned-in' for at least 24 hours
before its full sound quality potential can be realised.


Well, people having noise problems also tried to place their device away from the PSUs... Wrong?


The buzzing was from the power supply--not the preamp. And, I moved that power supply all over the place. I tried all sorts of odd fixes I read about on message boards. I ultimately found a spot that was ok, though in hindsight, I think it was still buzzing, just not audible at the sweet spot. I ended up selling it on Audiogon, and sadly, the buyer had buzzing issues as well.

Sorry about the Zphono unavailability. Didn't know you were outside the US.
I think it's a good unit, though not because of Fremmer's quasi-pornographic description!
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i m from Spain.
So I ll have to try to get things from Germany, UK, or France.
Any feedback for a Cambridge Audio 640P? (noise?)
The HiFi review is good.

http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summar...=29&Title=640P

i heard that diy stuff is always cheaper and far better than those... what do you think about this?

I liked the ZPhono. A pity, really.

After some research, I went through these:
http://www.needledoctor.com/Pro-Ject...2&category=401
http://www.needledoctor.com/Pro-Ject...2&category=401

said to be REALLY awesome. far better than all other ones. Though CA640P said to be a great piece.
I ll have to save more money if I want these.
What do you think of them? Any feedback?

I read on another forum that basically, you should choose between Cambridge Audio 640P < Project phonobox SE < TUBE BOX 2
but all are better in their categories than other brands... (. ..)
Also, the Bellari VP130 is a beautifully acheived one, and they'd recommend it too. Forgetting other brands.

a bit radical, but maybe true...
opinions?

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Guys!!

look at what i ve just found!
https://shop.strato.de/epages/614128...T%C3%84RKER%22

it s an incredible page (Europe, finally) and prices are amazing! (look at the pro-ject pre amplifiers: tubox 2 SE for 400 eur plus 10 eur shipping)

I ll try to go to my local dealer to see if he has better prices but this is cool
And then, save money again. again and again.

FYI: needledoctor sells it for $699 !!!!

it s a good web with pretty nice products, don t you think so?
well, i ll try to see prices but essentially I think the CA 640P or a phonobox or a tube box (SE or not SE) would be the ones. Just wait to save money then.

have a nice WE!
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Hey Guys,
I'm so new at this... Here's the scoop, I purchased a UMC-1 Processor by Emotiva and for some reason slipped on if this processor had a Phono input, which it doesn't... I'm looking at purchasing TCC TC-750LC. Here is my question, and I know it's such a newbie question. I would interface doing the following:
Phono --> Preamp --> Available RCA Input to my UMC-1 Processor
Correct? I want to make sure my thinking is correct on this. I was using an old Sony receiver which has a "Phono" input and option which I'm guessing provided the pre-amping?

Just don't want to purchase something if I really don't need it? Please be nice to me, I'm new at this:-)

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http://www.amazon.com/TC-750LC-Profe...355890&sr=8-11

Follow the chart on the 5th picture and you are good to go.
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Follow the chart on the 5th picture and you are good to go.

Awesome! Thanks I'll do this with my new processor Should be rock'N.

Thank you
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Awesome! Thanks I'll do this with my new processor Should be rock'N.

Thank you

Great - the plot thickens... I have a Technics SL-Q2 and I have no clue if it's a MM or MC cartridge. Probably should order a pre-amp that has both, but can anyone tell me an easy way to tell what kind of cartridge I have? This player came from my parents and they have no clue :-/

Tnx
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Great - the plot thickens... I have a Technics SL-Q2 and I have no clue if it's a MM or MC cartridge. Probably should order a pre-amp that has both, but can anyone tell me an easy way to tell what kind of cartridge I have? This player came from my parents and they have no clue :-/

Tnx

Most likely you have a MM (moving magnet) cartridge, MC (moving coil) are very expensive and more for the high-end audiophiles.....

Just my $0.02...
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It's also possible that that turntable came with no cartridge and it could have either type on it. Scroll down the list below and check out your model. Another way to check that cartridge is to remove it and look for the make and model number. Look it up with Google. There are some very good phono pre-amps over at AudioAdvisors.com. Good luck and enjoy that vinyl, its still the best way to listen to good music. Also see below. Price and instructions and will work with either cartridge.

http://www.vintagetechnics.info/turntables.htm




http://www.phonopreamps.com/tc760pp.html
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JoReid & Others -- The TC-750 is by far the best one on the market (post #2 & post #18). It has very flat output response and very low noise. I've had one for years, and it is an excellent performer.

Gecko12332 -- Just pull (or unscrew) the cartridge from the tone arm (carefully) and look at it. There should be a part number marked on it. Then look it up on Google. I agree with M Code, it's most likely a MM cartridge.

IIRC, the Technics SL-Q2 was originally shipped with a MM cartridge. If that turntable has not been used in many years, it's probably a good idea to replace it anyway. The needle suspension can deteriorate, with age and lack of use, so replacement is a good idea (at least get a new one on order). You can also look up the Technics SL-Q2 on line (Google is your friend) and see what cartridges they recommend.

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