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post #1 of 33 Old 04-06-2009, 07:15 PM - Thread Starter
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I have both an original XBOX and a Wii both with component video and audio, so 5 cables each.

With only one component video matched with audio on the back of my Philips 47 inch LCD I am looking at an AV receiver which can handle both component units at the same time without having to plug-unlpug.

So I am looking at the Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K when it comes out this month. This will be my first receiver purchase.

Hopefully someone can help me out with the answers to a few questions I have.

1: Looking at the downloadable owners manual the component video section is separate from the audio section - so how do you normally pair one component video section with a particular audio section? It looks like if I had both the Wii and XBOX units on I could conceivably be looking at an XBOX game whilst listening to the audio out of my Wii - I haven't been able to figure that one out!!

2: Is there a particular meaning to the -K designation of the unit as I have seen some model numbers without that.

3: What are Pioneer "Elite" models and is there/will there be one for the VSX-1019AH-K

Thanks for any advice you can offer.
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1: Looking at the downloadable owners manual the component video section is separate from the audio section - so how do you normally pair one component video section with a particular audio section?

If it's similar to the 1017 I have, you can assign the digital audio inputs to various devices and the component video inputs to various devices. In my manual, this is described in a chapter "Other Settings" under "The Input Assign Menu".

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K stands for "kuro" which means black in Japanese. Some of the lower end Pioneer receivers come in silver or black. But not all have the K designation. Go figure...

Elite models are higher end than the standard Pioneer receiver. More features, better internals, etc. There won't be a 1019 Elite, it'll be a higher up model. They cost more too, sometimes a lot more.

For just connecting two devices by component video, the 1019 will be more than enough for your needs.

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Perfect, thanks.
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Shuntera, you may have noticed that the 1019 and 919 share the same manual. Unless you need the few features that the 1019 has over the 919, you can save $100 by going with the 919.
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I just pre-ordered this A/V Receivera couple of days ago from Amazon.com. My 8 year old Pioneer Receiver finally bit the dust. It had PSU issues for the last two months. Shutting down after 10secs of turning on. So it is time for a new one. I am going with this mainly cause of the HDMI switching and it is a new model. I was going to get the 1018 but I can save $100 if I buy this one. Does anyone know when the stores are going to get these in stock. I have been using the TV speakers and am already tired of them after a couple of days. TV Speakers are crummy.
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K stands for "kuro" which means black in Japanese. Some of the lower end Pioneer receivers come in silver or black. But not all have the K designation. Go figure...

Elite models are higher end than the standard Pioneer receiver. More features, better internals, etc. There won't be a 1019 Elite, it'll be a higher up model. They cost more too, sometimes a lot more.

For just connecting two devices by component video, the 1019 will be more than enough for your needs.

I thought K stood for blacK and S stood for Silver
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I just got notification from Pioneer that it is in stock with them (not in stores yet) so I ordered online.

Now I need to go find speakers to match it !!
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To Shuntera & those who are getting the VSX-1019AH-K Pioneer

Please, i want to hear your thoughts about the 1019 I was going to order it online today, right after i got the notification but i am still deciding between the 1018 & 1019 (or maybe the elite 01). I see the 1018 Weights 10 lbs more + it got more watts per channel at 7.1 vs the 1019 it's ten lbs lighter, litte less watts per channel at 7 channels, + it got a few things added like an extra HDMI, a few extra features which i like. So, It's 7 channel the same as 7.1? Also, Is .05 % THD something to look for in an a/v for sound clarity? sorry, just learning about av's still.
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Jantonio,

I own neither, but was reasearcing the Elite VSX-01 and -03 (which are apparently almost identical to the eachother and the 1018).

My understanding is that the 1018 is a bit beefier in the amp department than the 1019, while the 1019 has more HDMI inputs and some additional features.

I think both are 7.1 amps (I know the 1018 is - the .1 is the subwoofer output, and I'm sure the 1019 has a subwoofer output as well).

As far as THD goes, it's a bit complicated, but there really isn't much of a difference below 0.1%. Most speakers will have more THD than the amp by a significant margin (at least at some frequencies), so the amp measurement is merely a cutoff used to define power output, and not normally and indicator of sound quality. You might compare an amp with 140 watt per channel at 0.05% to an amp with 130 WPC @ 0.09%. This means that the first amp might have 150 @ 0.09% and the second might be 120 @ 0.05%, and the two MFG's have chosen different ways to present the data. It practically never means that the second amp is almost two times as noisy.

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Jantonio,

I own neither, but was reasearcing the Elite VSX-01 and -03 (which are apparently almost identical to the eachother and the 1018).

My understanding is that the 1018 is a bit beefier in the amp department than the 1019, while the 1019 has more HDMI inputs and some additional features.

I think both are 7.1 amps (I know the 1018 is - the .1 is the subwoofer output, and I'm sure the 1019 has a subwoofer output as well).

As far as THD goes, it's a bit complicated, but there really isn't much of a difference below 0.1%. Most speakers will have more THD than the amp by a significant margin (at least at some frequencies), so the amp measurement is merely a cutoff used to define power output, and not normally and indicator of sound quality. You might compare an amp with 140 watt per channel at 0.05% to an amp with 130 WPC @ 0.09%. This means that the first amp might have 150 @ 0.09% and the second might be 120 @ 0.05%, and the two MFG's have chosen different ways to present the data. It practically never means that the second amp is almost two times as noisy.

-AG

Hello AnnoyedGrunt,

hey, Thanks for all the inf. can i ask you which of these three models i mentioned above (1018,1019 or 01 elite) Will you suggest is a great buy, I'm just asking around first before I buy me one. I see you know well.... Thnks!
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At this price range (500.00 plus) what will be the best a/v receiver:
PIONEER, (1018,1019 or 01 Elite)
YAMAHA,(av1800)
DENNON,
SONY es line
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K stands for "kuro" which means black in Japanese. Some of the lower end Pioneer receivers come in silver or black. But not all have the K designation. Go figure...

Elite models are higher end than the standard Pioneer receiver. More features, better internals, etc. There won't be a 1019 Elite, it'll be a higher up model. They cost more too, sometimes a lot more.

For just connecting two devices by component video, the 1019 will be more than enough for your needs.

To: gungadin25
I see a price drop on the 01 Elite, not sure why now you can get it for around 500.00 Which one will suggest is better receiver, The 1018, 1019 or the 01 Elite, they go around the same price..
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To: gungadin25
I see a price drop on the 01 Elite, not sure why now you can get it for around 500.00 Which one will suggest is better receiver, The 1018, 1019 or the 01 Elite, they go around the same price..

If they are the same price and you don't need any of the features of the 1019 (like the additional HDMI input), then I would go with the Elite 01. It is essentially the same as the 1018, but with a two year warranty. I think the warranty on the 1018 is 1 year.

I would next choose the 1018, since it has all the features I need and pre-amp outputs, so if you ever want to go with an external amp in the future, you will be able to keep using the processor.

My last choice would be the 1019, but that's because I only have a couple HDMI sources, and don't need all the inputs it offers. If you have use for extra inputs, or any of the other 1019 features, then it might be the best choice.

I think Pioneer is trying to clear out the 2008 inventory of recievers, so the 01 and 03 Elites, the SC-07 and SC-05 are all heavily discounted right now.

-AG
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Hello..

I believe the amp sections from the 1018, Elite 01, Elite 03 and the pio 9130 are the same. Everything I have seen indicates this and they weigh within a few ounces of each other.

The 1019 is different and not in a good way!

Manual documentation:



VSX-1019AH-K
Specifications
Amplifier section
Continuous average power output of 90
watts* per channel, min., at 8 ohms, from
20 Hz to 20 000 Hz with no more than
0.2 %** total harmonic distortion.
Front (stereo) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .90 W + 90 W
Power output (1 kHz, 6 Ω, 0.05 %, 1 ch driven)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 120 W per channel

VSX-1018AH-K
Specifications
Amplifier section
Continuous average power output of 110 watts* per
channel, min., at 8 ohms, from 20 Hz to 20 000 Hz
with no more than 0.09 %** total harmonic
distortion (front).
Continuous Power Output (20 Hz to 20 kHz, 8 Ω, 0.09 %)
Front. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 110 W + 110 W
Center . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 110 W
Surround . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 110 W + 110 W
Surround back . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 110 W + 110 W



Even with the lower rated power on the 1019 than the 1018 (90 vs 110) it is still rated at higher distortion (.2 vs .09).

What is the 1019 equivalant at .09? 85 per channel or even 80 per channel?

Huh?
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Where can you find the 1018 in stock these days..have not been able to find them anywhere.
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Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K is easy to setup and it has a phenomenal ability to upscale and convert analog video signals to 1080p when transmitted through HDMI to your LCD HDTV. You also can plug in your iPhone and watch videos with the included cable without buying an expensive dock
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Where can you find the 1018 in stock these days..have not been able to find them anywhere.

I second this questions. When the improvements are fair at best I am always willing to go with last year's model to save money.
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ANTOnline via Buy.com offers the Pioneer VSX-1019AH 840-watt 7.1-Channel Home Theater Receiver in Black, model no. VSX1019AHK, for $363 plus $20 for shipping.
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ANTOnline via Buy.com offers the Pioneer VSX-1019AH 840-watt 7.1-Channel Home Theater Receiver in Black, model no. VSX1019AHK, for $363 plus $20 for shipping.

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I looked at the ANTonline deal (they have been listing the 1019 at that price on Amazon sporadically this week).

BUT, ANTonline is not an authorized dealer, so you'll have no warranty service if you order through them. And ANTonline's rating on www.resellerratings.com has plummeted recently. I'd do a little googling before I bought through them. Buyer beware.

[Edit: Also, there is a whole thread dedicated to the 1019 that this discussion probably belongs in - and not sure this price discussion is even allowed anyway.]
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ANTOnline via Buy.com offers the Pioneer VSX-1019AH 840-watt 7.1-Channel Home Theater Receiver in Black, model no. VSX1019AHK, for $363 plus $20 for shipping.

840 watts ??!?!?!

No idea where you got that spec from but the amp puts out 28.7 watts per channel, all channels driven with less than 1%thd.

So, no, not 840 watts. More like 144 watts. Big diff.
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Here's a clarification request. Apparently this unit upconverts analog input to the HDMI output. Does that mean that one could run a line from a Comcast cable box through this unit to achieve an "improved" image from standard digital cable?
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Thanks, Knoles. I'm close to buying this unit. I'm a bit torn with other options, as well as the issue of excessive complexity. I've got a ten year old Sony that is a total pain to use (no GUI at all, and lots of tiny annoying buttons to navigate with on the receiver). Also, I've got 25 year old (!) Bose fronts, an Infinity center, and little Polk surrounds. So I'm contemplating a "package deal" (possibly Onkyo). I might go ahead and pick up the Pioneer and give it a try with my hodge-podge speaker collection. Still reading reviews. Cheers.
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I picked up a Onkyo 707 for $500 at Best Buy on Black Friday. Not an advertised deal, just something I stumbled on while trolling their website. From what I can tell the 707 compares favorably to the lower model Pioneer Elites and the 807 even more so. Both for a little less coin vs a comparable Pioneer. Burr Brown DACs, THX certified, 100 watts X 7, 6 HDMI ins (1/6 is in front), Sirius and HD Radio ready,on and on.
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hi.just need infos about compatible speaker for PIONEER VSX-1019AH-K.Im planning to get one but no idea what will be the best speaker to fit the said model.look forward to hear from you guys.MERRY CHRISTMAS!
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I like polks myself, just go listen to a bunch and see what you like and make sure the fit and finish is going to look good in your home as well.
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hi.just need infos about compatible speaker for PIONEER VSX-1019AH-K.Im planning to get one but no idea what will be the best speaker to fit the said model.look forward to hear from you guys.MERRY CHRISTMAS!

You will want to get speakers that are at least 6 ohms and fairly efficient (90 or > db). I have a Elite 01 which drives my surrounds (6 ohms) and is used as a pre-amp for my low impedence mains. When my amplifier for the mains had be repaired, I also used the reciever to drive the mains. There were noticable differences in sound quality and levels ( Open 24X18X11 room).

Good luck
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Where can you find the 1018 in stock these days..have not been able to find them anywhere.

There was a run on 1018s last Spring and they have been essentially unobtainable through out the country since last May. That includes floor models, open box, etc.
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