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I have pretty modest needs, but I want to cut down on the number of cables between my receiver and flatscreen LCD w/HDMI.

So I really want a receiver that upconverts between both component and composite to HDMI (I have both component and composite gear still and will for a while). I don't need embedded audio between receiver and LCD. It should have at least 3 HDMI inputs, and should have the ability to take HDMI video and optical digital audio from my Mac Mini running Boxee.

I currently have a good quality Polk 5.1 setup, that I'm happy with. My Sony receiver currently outputs 7.1, but I'm only using 5.1. I really don't need or want to add two more speakers, so 7.1 isn't necessary.

I don't need "audiophile"... I am a musician and have an expensive monitor chain in my studio but I don't see the need for audiophile gear for listening.

Anything come to mind please? If this is better asked elsewhere, please advise. I've browsed and searched the site and not found any specific recommendations that seem to work, but let me know if I missed it. Thanks!
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Too big of a question y'all? Too many options to choose from, or too few?

The problem is I see plenty that will upconvert to HDMI from component, but are there receivers that upconvert from composite and s-video too?

...or is it just that there are no cheaper receivers that do this? Every time I see one on one of the deal sites they never seem to upconvert.
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Can someone please advise if I'm breaking protocol with this request? Or is it not clear what I'm asking? Or am I completely clueless? I've lurked enough to see others ask similar questions... thanks...
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Can someone please advise if I'm breaking protocol with this request? Or is it not clear what I'm asking? Or am I completely clueless? I've lurked enough to see others ask similar questions... thanks...

It's just a wide question. You can go $300 - $7,700. What's your budget?
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Cheap... does such an upconverting beast exist at ~$500?

For reference, I'm replacing a Sony STR-DE995... so as you can see I'm not that picky.

http://www.epinions.com/review/pr-So...t_102250679940
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Get a refurb HK 247. Converts any input to HDMI.
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Get a refurb HK 247. Converts any input to HDMI.

Looks nice... but only upconverts to 720p... how much of a deal is that? I haven't done an a/b between 720p and 1080i...
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It passes 1080, so you won't lose that. Anything up-converted (even with a Faroudja processor) looks like crap. It's just a little less crappy on a good display.
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The most important thing is clean conversion from 480i component to 480i HDMI! You should be able to turn off any deinterlacing/scaling, and you may want to, given their general uselessness.

Deinterlacing in receivers is of limited value. Scaling in receivers is of even less value.

My Yamaha RX-V2700 did a great job of component to HDMI, but I read where some of the budget Yamaha receivers don't do as well.

Some receivers don't do a good job of the most basic task of analog to digital conversion, so do your research.

"But this one goes up to 11"
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Thanks, that all makes sense. Should I be concerned that it won't pass 1080p? My Apple mini puts out 1080p via HDMI... and that's what I use for Boxee. I do play HD content off it, and though none of it is 1080p yet, I'm sure that's going to happen eventually.

I guess I should compare 1080i and 720p directly.

Is there a receiver that will pass 1080p through HDMI as well as doing the upconverting like the 247?
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The newer HK models do 1080p.
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Here you go. This is a very good AVR, especially for this price.

http://www.6ave.com/shop/product.asp...AMRXV2700B-OPN
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You can get the Denon 789/1909 for under $500 shipped if you look around...
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The Denon seems like the winner right now, especially considering the extra HDMI input... thanks so much everyone for chiming in.
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The Denon seems like the winner right now, especially considering the extra HDMI input... thanks so much everyone for chiming in.

Go to 6 ave .com and enter code AFLAUD25 for an even better price for that model.
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The most important thing is clean conversion from 480i component to 480i HDMI! You should be able to turn off any deinterlacing/scaling, and you may want to, given their general uselessness.

Deinterlacing in receivers is of limited value. Scaling in receivers is of even less value.

My Yamaha RX-V2700 did a great job of component to HDMI, but I read where some of the budget Yamaha receivers don't do as well.

Some receivers don't do a good job of the most basic task of analog to digital conversion, so do your research.

It can get confusing when your player, receiver, and tv all do some sort of deinterlacing/upscaling. Using the wrong method your image could potentially look worse.
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Personally I don't think upscaling really improves how things look. I have an Onkyo TX-SR876 which upconverts to 1080p but it doesn't compare to a real Blu-Ray movie.

To answer your question, though, the Harman Kardon AVR-254 does everything you want for a little under $400. Pretty darn good sound quality too boot. Hope that helps!
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Ahh, the HK AVR-254... that might be the one! Even cheaper then the Denon, 3 HDMI inputs, 1080p support, the manual is a lot more friendly then the Denon (so hopefully so will be the UI). Thanks again for all the recommendations and discussion...
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