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Question: Is there a known volume where the Denon begins to break up and send dangerous (i.e., significantly distorted) signals to the speakers?

Thanks everyone.

This goes for most amp units the volume #'s, displays read-outs and settings mean nothing cause the input level for each input source could be not at the same level for both digital and analog .. The bottom line is when the amp reaches full output will it start to clip , your ears are the best tool for this , at this level of home use..
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Thanks guys. This thing is rocking now, but something weird just happened.

After running at +4 for about 15 seconds or so, the LFE channel quit sending signal to my sub.

I turned the Denon off and then back on, and everything is fine.

It doesn't really bother me that much because it seems like a hiccup, but has anyone else experienced this?

Channel output to sub is -5dB.
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Nope. When you set the SW channel level to OFF, it's just like any other speaker volume setting, only with the SW you can turn it completely OFF. Therefore, unless your mains are set to LARGE, then anything below their crossover setting will be lost.

Thanks , I was playing with the manual EQ settings , going from +6(63hz) to -12(1000hz) and back to +6(16khz) for low level tv use and not needing the sub unit to save some juice and heat ..It works and sounds very good ..
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and not needing the sub unit to save some juice and heat ....

Huh? The sub has it's own amp, so nothing saved on the AVRs part.

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have a B&K 307 AVR and have the issue where if you have it in Dolby Digital output the sound goes out each time I change channels from dolby digital to dobly digital or if I fast foward a recording with dolby digital on. Can get the sound back no problem by changing my dolby setting on my B&K each and everytime. While this works it is a pain. Have no issue if dolby digital is off regarding sound going out. The other issue I have if I have my EQ on the B&K when ever the AC kicks in I hear a POP in the speakers ODD.. It did the same thing changing channels with my old SA cable box had to move to a Pace to stop that issue. Seems B&K has some problems updating software on the B&K would cost more than getting a new reciever. Long story short I am thinking of getting a new reciever to fix this issue and get HDMI sound as well. My B&K is around 8 years old. The reviever I am looking at is the Denon AVR1910 or the 790. However I do not want to get it and find out I will have the same issue!! What are your thoughts on the quality of sound etc. and does it have any issues with the HR22-100? Thanks for any feedback..
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Other than maybe 1-3 seconds to resync the audio, the DD should return without issue when you change HD channels. Cannot address the electrical issue as that is related more to the wiring in your home possibly needing to be upgraded.

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Anybody here with a Denon 790 and Logitech Harmony ? What model no. did you enter cause 790 is no showing up.
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Other than maybe 1-3 seconds to resync the audio, the DD should return without issue when you change HD channels. Cannot address the electrical issue as that is related more to the wiring in your home possibly needing to be upgraded.

No sound at all no matter how much time you give it after changing from dolby digital to dolby digital or fast fowarding or rewinding with dolby digital on. No issue with dolby digital off. This is a known issue with the B&K. Does the issue occur with the DENON?
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Anybody here with a Denon 790 and Logitech Harmony ? What model no. did you enter cause 790 is no showing up.

batpig has you covered, referenced prior in this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post16622977
more complete info posted in 1909 thread (a great resource for you 1910/790 guys BTW):
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post16499228

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No sound at all no matter how much time you give it after changing from dolby digital to dolby digital or fast fowarding or rewinding with dolby digital on. No issue with dolby digital off. This is a known issue. Is the issue occur with the DENON?

Guess I wasn't clear enough. How's this ... NO.

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Guess I wasn't clear enough. How's this ... NO.

sorry thought you were talking in general that the sound should return to my B&K as well. So you must have the Denon model I am considering working with a Direct TV HR22-100 without issue Great... Any issues with HDMI? Thanks for any info..
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I have neither the 1910 nor the HR22-100, rather a 2808 and a HR21-100. According to this thread, the issue you describe "was" a known issue with HR21 and HR22 series DVRs as well as older AVRs like your H&K. It is not a known issue with newer model Denon AVRs (past 5 years) such as the 1910/790 regardless of whether you're using optical or HDMI.

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Question on Electronic Expo. Did some searching on avs and BBB that clearly shows mixed reviews. However, using code EMPLOYEE today (ripped off from FATWALLET), can get the 1910 for 350 pre shipping. Concern over need to return and whether Denon will step in if the retailer will not. has anyone had direct experience with the company?

Also, some discounts are nothing, but others are solid, e.g. the Panasonic TCP50G10 can be had for $1,00K. Last issue is they use UPS...guess that may be a killer for some if you cant make a trip to pick up in store
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Huh? The sub has it's own amp, so nothing saved on the AVRs part.

My front L/R speakers are full range with 12" woofers , so boosting the 63hz and 16Khz and lowering the mids and the denon has a 26db range is like a very powerful old fashion loudness setting.. So there was no need for the sub so it was off, no power.. With the way new movies are mixed, this works very well , this is for low volume listening.. Watched Eagle Eye on cable in HD/5.1 till 3am and this setting really works for me !
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Question on Electronic Expo. Did some searching on avs and BBB that clearly shows mixed reviews. However, using code EMPLOYEE today (ripped off from FATWALLET), can get the 1910 for 350 pre shipping. Concern over need to return and whether Denon will step in if the retailer will not?

Considering they are an "authorized" Denon on-line vendor, you shouldn't have any problems at all returning it for repair should the need arise.

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yikes, the 2310ci for $335 off ($532 w/ shipping) sort of makes me want to go through the hassle of sending back my 1910 to vanns which I got for $410...

worth it?
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Hooked up my 1910 for 6.1 surround. I can of course obtain the OSD using my Panny ceiling mounted projector, but I am concerned with the noise of the projector fan during Audyssey calibration. The only HDMI/component compatible monitor in the house is a 46-inch LCD monitor in an upstairs family room -- too heavy to move for a one-time event. Tried using a computer monitor with a DVI to HDMI adaptor, but could not obtain the OSD. I'm even thinking of renting a small LCD HDMI monitor for a day but don't necessarily want to turn this into a major hassle. Am I really going to be at a disadvantage running Audyssey with the projector fan noise about 3 feet above the Audyssey mic, i.e., is it enough to throw off the Audyssey calibration? Would rather run Audyssey instead of FSD.

UPDATE: Issue resolved. Achieved OSD with a video hookup (75 ohm pin-plug connector to an older television monitor. As a side note, not the best manual so thanks to Batpig, jdsmoothie, et al.
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yikes, the 2310ci for $335 off ($532 w/ shipping) sort of makes me want to go through the hassle of sending back my 1910 to vanns which I got for $410...

worth it?

$532? Where?
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$532? Where?

Electronics Expo with their current employee pricing. The 1910 can be had for 362 and that seems like the best price I have seen so far. Apologies for posting prices, but really think this will help ppl like me who are still on the fence - Experts: Good price from a reasonable good seller?
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Batpig,

I rec'd my Harmony 880 last week. Before I left town on Friday, I added my 1910 as a device and then sent an e-mail to support to copy your account for the 3808CI into my 1910 device. When I got back last night, it was done. I then added in my TV, blu-ray player, and cable box and started setting up my activities. The remote works great for the blu-ray player, but it isn't switching inputs on the 1910 for my cable box. My cable box is in HDMI3. I'm guessing it is just a lableling problem, but do you know which input name in Harmony will relate to the the HDMI3 input on the 1910? As always, thanks for the help.
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Bought a black Denon AVR 1910 for 378€ today and so far I'm very pleased with it. (except with the remote)
After hooking everthing up, PS3 via HDMI, PC via DVI-HDMI, Monitor via HDMI-DVI and my PS2 with Componente cabels it just worked.

The upscaling is great (compared to the built-in in my Lenovo L220x PC monitor) and the sound is decent (although I don't hear that much difference compared to my old Sony compact hifi stereo system).
Currently I'm only using two Heco Metas 300 speakers, but I plan to upgrade in the near future (at least 5.1).

I'm going to test the aspect ratio settings now, stay tuned.

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It works just as desired. I have set the scaler to 1080p (Analog and HDMI) and aspect ratio to normal and it outputs the original picture without distortion and adds black bars on the left and right side. Great!
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Electronics Expo with their current employee pricing. The 1910 can be had for 362 and that seems like the best price I have seen so far. Apologies for posting prices, but really think this will help ppl like me who are still on the fence - Experts: Good price from a reasonable good seller?

362 where!?!?! thats like 40% off haha. I got mine for 410 from vanns pretty good deal imo
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362 is insane. I am pissed now that I bought mine last week from them for 449.

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You guys are really lucky, actual street price here in Germany is at 499 including taxes.
That's $697,4144! I got it for $525,5066 ($420 without taxes) and only because I work part time at an electronic discounter..
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The Blu-Ray version of "3:10 to Yuma" outputs 7.1 PCM audio. My 1910 displays "MultiCH" and does not permit me to select Dynamic EQ, but does appear to engage MultEQ Audyssey. Is this as things should be, or is there some other setting somewhere in the chain that will allow me to engage the Dynamic EQ setting?

FWIW, the Blu-Ray player is a Sony BDP-S550, which will decode some of the higher-res audio formats on board. Maybe this is what it's doing and passing the uncompressed audio as Multi-Channel, bypassing the Denon's on board processing.

I'd prefer to let the Denon decode and applying the Audyssey processing.
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Hi everyone,

Just wanted to thank you all for the tips regarding which Denon to look at as replacement for my old AVR-3600. I brought a 1910 and a 2809 home from Best Buy yesterday and spent the afternoon A/B-ing them both with my 3600. Since my speakers can be bi-wired, I was able to use an old video game switching box to flip between the receivers with basically one click.

All my tests were done using CDs, listening in 2-ch stereo mode. I used one song off American Beauty by The Grateful Dead and a couple of songs off Who's Next by The Who in my comparisons.

All the tone controls were flat. I didn't run Audyssey on either receiver, since I didn't have a mic, but I did make sure the mains were set to small, crossover at 80hz, and set the dB plus / minus of each channel equal to the levels on my 3600 from whenever I last attempted to calibrate it using an SPL.

Anyhow -- the 1910 was significantly more harsh than my old 3600. For lack of a better word, there was a smoothness to the sound the 3600 was putting out that was simply lacking in the sound from the 1910. At louder volumes, the 1910 sounded almost harsh and fatiguing in comparison. It's entirely possible that some of the EQ magic from Audyssey could have helped -- my living room certainly isn't an ideal listening environment...

I asked my wife -- who enjoys music, but isn't as critical about it as me -- to do a blind comparison of the two, just to make sure I wasn't pooh-poohing on the cheaper unit, and she had a similar reaction; the 3600 was much more enjoyable than the 1910.

The 2809 was a much more balanced listening experience, right out of the gate. In fact, I think it had a bit more clarity in the sound than my 3600. Bass seemed less boomy, and the acoustic guitars and harmonies in songs like Behind Blue Eyes and Box of Rain seemed even more clear than on the 3600. We re-ran the blind listening test with my wife, and she thought they both sounded great, but actually picked the 2809 over the 3600! We had a winner!

I'm hopeful that after calibrating the 2809 with Audyssey and so forth, it will sound even better.

I just wanted to get the info out there for anyone who might be wrestling with the decision of which receiver to buy. 2809s / 989s can be found for between $250 and $400 more than 1910s, depending on if you're comfortable buying refurbs or not. Happy hunting! And thanks again for the advice!

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good work I also agree that the 19XX level models are not great for higher volume, 2CH music listening. there is definitely a lack of "smoothness" or control/detail that I have noticed as well. I used to own a 3803 and my current 789 (same as 1909) does not have that lush, detailed, "transparent" sound with 2-Ch music when I really crank it up.

thankfully, most owners of a model in this price class (including me) are mostly watching HT or listening to music at more moderate volume levels, where the Dynamic EQ / Volume features really bring out a lot of lush warmth to the sound. but I don't think you can expect a modern, $500 AVR to have the same kind of 2-channel "chops" as a BEAST like the old 3600! I've heard that thing was a monster

I agree with SoM before that, post Audyssey calibration, the 1910 would probably actually sound BETTER than the 3600 with movies (again thanks to Audyssey + Dynamic EQ), but as you have found a 24-lb modern entry level unit isn't built like the old hoss receivers of old. Glad you found that the 2809 was up to snuff though, congrats and enjoy the new toy

Therein lies my dilemma. I mostly watch HD, DVD for my daughter's Netflix movies, and BD for my stuff. I also do some casual SACD/DVD-A listening. I don't often get to turn it up near reference levels so I am wondering if the 1910 would be OK. I am running Eosone RSF 600 fronts and a Def tech center with Eosone rears and sub. I would love Audysey for listening after the kids go to bed! At the same time I don't want to regret not spending a little more for the better audio of a 28xx model. What about the 2310? Any benefit?

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Mike,

I went from the 982 to the 1910. I believe the 98X is the same as the 28XX series. My listening is very similar to yours and I have a fairly large room 12 X 20. The sound difference in the 1910 was amazing. The audyssey feature does wonders for the listening pleasure. Everyone in my family has noticed the difference almost immediately. For my usage the 1910 has plenty of power. I am barely touching the surface of its power. The video processing on non-HD signal sources has been another pleasant surprise. I would definitely recommend doing the upgrade to the 1910. I don't think you will be disappointed.
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Mike,

I went from the 982 to the 1910. I believe the 98X is the same as the 28XX series. My listening is very similar to yours and I have a fairly large room 12 X 20. The sound difference in the 1910 was amazing. The audyssey feature does wonders for the listening pleasure. Everyone in my family has noticed the difference almost immediately. For my usage the 1910 has plenty of power. I am barely touching the surface of its power. The video processing on non-HD signal sources has been another pleasant surprise. I would definitely recommend doing the upgrade to the 1910. I don't think you will be disappointed.

Thanks for the info!

I have a fairly large room as well that is open to the kitchen, entry and dining room, plus we have a 13 foot ceiling and several windows! I know Audyssey would help my room out tremendously. I have been pretty satisfied with non-HD video on my Toshiba RV530u, but if the video gets even better through the 1910 that will just be a bonus! Of course HD looks awesome!

I took a look through the 2310 thread and did some online comparisons and I don't think it would be worth it, feature wise, for me. So the 1910 is looking really good right now!

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I was thinking about getting the klipsch c3 center speaker... will the 1910 work well with that speaker... have enough amps or watts..

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I recently got a 1910 for use with an existing in-ceiling speaker setup in my new house. I am extremely happy with the result. I was on the fence between Pioneer and Denon for a while... Pioneer offers some cool features but Denon offers top notch quality and compatibility. I would probably be happy with either, but the 1910 is awesome. Yeah the setup interface is horrible, but once you're used to it then it's not too hard to get everything working properly. Turning Audyssey on and off is like night and day with my in-ceiling speakers, and it really lets my setup shine. It is also great that there is only one HDMI cable running to my plasma which I plan to wall mount, so that will keep things neat and tidy. The ABT chip does a fantastic job of video conversion too. Overall I am extremely happy and glad I waited for the 1910 over the 1909.
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