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You will need some kind of media server that connects the 590 to the NAS. You won't be able to hook up the NAS directly to the 590.

So any home media server will do then? Am not at home right now where I can check other connections, but what is the best way to connect the 590 to a nedia server with NAS?

Any other things I should know about this?

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Whether its the best way or not I connected all of my devices to the receiver and connected 1 HDMI and 1 component cable from the 590 to the tv. What surprised me was my cable TV and Wii displaying through my HDMI input on my TV. I didn't know HMDI output would also pass the component connections.

This is what is known as upconversion of analog to HDMI output.

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- Is it ok that the PS3 and Cable tv are on the same line of input (DVD). The Optical for the cable audio won't confuse the PS3 signal will it? I know it wouldn't if the cable box is off but I don't know if there may be some internal conflict for the receiver.

Sure it's okay, although certainly not preferred with other input names still available that you can use to avoid any conflict if they're both on at the same time.

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- Are there any PS3 settings I need to configure for the 590?

Nope, just set the HDMI Auto setting (all blocks checked) and if you have the "slim" set it to bitstream as well and you should be good to go.

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- So just remove the component cable to TV and let HDMI pass my cable and WII signal?

Yup.

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So any home media server will do then? Am not at home right now where I can check other connections, but what is the best way to connect the 590 to a nedia server with NAS?

Most likely HDMI.

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HDMI? My media server will be in one room with the AVR in another. All 3 of my HDMI and 2 of the comp. are used. Any other options?
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Actually, if I can get to the media via XBox or whatever and that is already connected to the AVR, then would I need a direct connection?
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That's one of the major reasons I'm considering these

BTW: Sorry if I'm going too far off topic, but I "really" don't know much about speakers, Do you guy's think these would actually be an upgrade to my older Pioneers?
In an earlier post jdsmoothie recommended speakers with better sensitivity ratings for the 590 so I assume that alone should help?
Either way at that price I will probably pull the trigger but figured I'd ask anyway

Here's the Pioneer specs.
S-HF11C Center, 100 Watts / Sensitivity - 85dB /Frequency response: 55 Hz - 20,000Hz Two 5-1/8 inch Woofers /1" Tweeter
S-HF31 Fronts, 120 Watts /Sensitivity - 82dB/ Frequency Response - 50Hz - 20, 000Hz, 6-5/16-inch Woofer/1" Tweeter
S-HF21 Rears, 100 Watts / Sensitivity - 80dB/Frequency Response - 55Hz - 20, 000Hz, 5-1/8-inch Woofer/ 1" Tweeter
All are 8 ohm.

Thanks again for everyone's help!!!!!

This sounds like a job for the "Speakers" forum!

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Actually, if I can get to the media via XBox or whatever and that is already connected to the AVR, then would I need a direct connection?

Most likely not.

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Right now Newegg has the set for $150 - $30 or $120 using coupon code EMCMNNX64.

Keep in mind that this deal does NOT include the sub that is often sold with the Energy Take Classic 5 setup, so you'll need to order that separately as these speakers will most definitely need a sub for the lower ranges.

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Thanks jdsmoothie for the help!

How do I make the voices loud enough so that I don't have to turn up the volume to hear when people speak and turn down the volume during action scenes? I had this problem with my last reciever. I played the first 2 scenes of the new Star Trek movie on Blue Ray and while better I was still volume button surfing.

Still it was sounding reeaallll nice.

Speaker Question
I bought the Def Tech Pro 1000 center channel and its MUCH better than the Kenwood it replaced.
[url]="http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Definitive+Technology+-+ProCenter+1000+4-1/2%22+Center-Channel+Speaker+-+Gloss+Black/7656413.p?id=1190678281674&skuId=7656413"]http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Definitive+Technology+-+ProCenter+1000+4-1/2%22+Center-Channel+Speaker+-+Gloss+Black/7656413.p?id=1190678281674&skuId=7656413[/URL

I just received an unexpected X-Mas gift of $150. Will that get me a decent front/left speaker pair to replace my Kenwoods?
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-qFYL5z6...d-HTB-505.html

Are these Sonys better? People seem to like them according to the reviews?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sony+-+8...&skuId=8289238

$110 at Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-SSF-5000-...2145736&sr=8-1

Standing/floor preferred.
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i have a question regarding DVR audio setup and how the receiver handles the audio input through HDMI. I have a FIOS 6416 and in the audio setup menu, the only settings are mono, stereo and surround. should i leave the 6416 set to surround so that when watching something in DD5.1, it will switch over correctly? i'm currently in the process of piecing together my system, so I'm only running 2.0 for the time being. i just want to know for future reference. oh, and i'm only running HDMI from the STB to the 1610.
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How do I make the voices loud enough so that I don't have to turn up the volume to hear when people speak and turn down the volume during action scenes? I had this problem with my last reciever. I played the first 2 scenes of the new Star Trek movie on Blue Ray and while better I was still volume button surfing.

Make sure after running AUTO SETUP that you turn Audyssey Dyn EQ ON. After that, you can also bump up just the center channel level as needed by pressing the CH LVL button on the remote and increasing it a few db if necessary.

Regarding your speaker choice, as you say the Sony's do get good reviews and although you generally want to keep the front 3 speakers L/C/R with the same mfr for tonal matching, Audyssey will do a good job of that for you as well. BB should let you demo them for 30 days and let you determine how you like them after running AUTO SETUP. Both the Sony and Def Tech are also fairly efficient at (88db) and (90db) respectively. I would also suggest trying to get BB to match the Amazon price as well as they have been known to do that from time to time (at the very least get them to split the difference) so you can still take advantage of your store credit.

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i have a question regarding DVR audio setup and how the receiver handles the audio input through HDMI. I have a FIOS 6416 and in the audio setup menu, the only settings are mono, stereo and surround. should i leave the 6416 set to surround so that when watching something in DD5.1, it will switch over correctly? i'm currently in the process of piecing together my system, so I'm only running 2.0 for the time being. i just want to know for future reference. oh, and i'm only running HDMI from the STB to the 1610.

You'll want to set the FIOS box to surround so it will play DD 5.1 on HD channels and will play 2.0 on commercials and SD channels.

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You'll want to set the FIOS box to surround so it will play DD 5.1 on HD channels and will play 2.0 on commercials and SD channels.

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How far can the 1610 be turned up before it starts clipping or doing strange things?

I'm wondering because ever since I bought my Submersive I've been testing the sub out at or near reference and this thought came into my head. I've been testing the sub with LFE only tracks and was wondering if I tried to play a movie at reference what would happen... I've slowly started watching movies at higher volumes (-15db to -10) and once while playing the Fifth Element at -10db all the explosions in the movie seemed distorted... as if the explosion would start but at the point where the loud sound effects should kick in I only heard a muted mess of sound. I wasn't sure if it was the movies soundtrack or my receiver clipping. Is there any data out there relating an entry level receivers volume capabilities vs. a higher end receivers volume capability. I know clipping can burn out a speaker so I get paranoid whenever I push my 1610 to -5 or beyond.
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Keep in mind that this deal does NOT include the sub that is often sold with the Energy Take Classic 5 setup, so you'll need to order that separately as these speakers will most definitely need a sub for the lower ranges.

Yeah I saw that. I was looking at a Dayton SUB-100 or possibly the Energy.
For now I have an older POS Sony sub that I'm using.

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How far can the 1610 be turned up before it starts clipping or doing strange things?

That depends on the speaker itself although it does sound like your sub was showing signs of distortion. You might want to set the 1610's Max Vol setting to -10 or -20 just to be on the safe side which is what I do to ensure no one inadvertently sets the volume too high by mistake. To be sure, the lower the power capability of the AVR the easier it is to clip.

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Considering purchasing the AVR-590. Please clarify.

I have a 7 year old Mitsubishi HDTV that has only one HD component input. Until now I haven't needed additional HD inputs but now I'd like to connect my Comcast HD cable box & a blu-ray player to the AVR-590 via it's 2 component inputs & pass 1080i on to my HDTVs only 1080i component input. The Comcast receiver & blu-ray player both have built-in upconverters for SD to 1080 video so I presume the AVR-590 doesn't do any other up-converting; just a past through, right?

So, I'd use both of the AVR-590s component inputs, then use the component output to my Mitsubishi?

This receiver is priced in the mid-300s. Any other brands that offer similar quality?
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You are correct. The 590 will do no video processing on the signal coming in, rather simply passing it through. Also, the component cable connection in and out of the 590 you suggest would also be required as there is no HDMI ---> component down conversion.

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You are correct. The 590 will do no video processing on the signal coming in, rather simply passing it through. Also, the component cable connection in and out of the 590 you suggest would also be required as there is no HDMI ---> component down conversion.

"...as there is no HDMI ---> component down conversion."
Sorry to be so dense but it's not going to down convert the component input from 1080i to 480 is it? Just past through 1080i on to my Mitsubishi, right?
This receiver looks to be a great value for the $$$.
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No not at all. Conversion (up/down) has to do with going from one type of cable to another, eg. component ---> HDMI. Scaling (up/down) has to do with resolution changes eg. 480i ---> 1080p. The 590 offers video "conversion" to HDMI from either composite, S-video, or component but does not offer any scaling ability, therefore whatever video resolution "goes in" also "comes out" the same resolution.

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No not at all. Conversion (up/down) has to do with going from one type of cable to another, eg. component ---> HDMI. Scaling (up/down) has to do with resolution changes eg. 480i ---> 1080p. The 590 offers video "conversion" to HDMI from either composite, S-video, or component but does not offer any scaling ability, therefore whatever video resolution "goes in" also "comes out" the same resolution.

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Denon receivers and a Directv DVR remote. I posted a similar question on the Pioneer 1019 thread. But am also considering the 1610/590 receiver.

A quick question regarding the power on/power off buttons. We have a Directv HR20 and like using the Directv remote. It has a AV1 setting to map it to a receiver, but it only has one "Pwr" button. Right now, with our current receiver, we can only turn off the receiver with the Pwr button. I'd love to be able to turn on and off the receiver with the Directv remote. I found out that the Pioneer receivers have a single on/off button, but Denons have seperate buttons. So far, the only manufacturers that seem to have a single power button are Pioneer and Onkyo of the receivers I'm considering. Is there any way possible to get the Directv remote to power on and off the Denon receiver?

I'd love to get a universal remote, but for the "wife acceptance factor" she'd prefer to just use the Directv remote since it's geared towards the DVR functionality.

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Hi gang...
Home Theater challenged here...

Is it worth it to upgrade to the Denon AVR1610 to take advantage of the HDMI connections?
Is this a fairly easy setup? I set up my current Home Theater and it drove me crazy!!

Here's what I have now:
TV: Sony LCD-HDTV (KDF-55WF655) (with 1 HDMI in)
Receiver: Harman Kardon AVR525 (No HDMIs)
Comcast Motorola dual tuner HD-DVR Box (W/ DVI out)
Adding: Sony Blu Ray DVD player with HDMI (BDP-BX2) (Costco equivalent of BDP-S360)


My HK receiver is 7.1 capable but based on my layout, should really only be used as a 5.1 setup. (Polk speakers, Jamo sub...already wired)

This is what I am interested in doing:

I'll be replacing my Sony DVD Recorder with the Blu Ray player and just want to make sure I have everything hooked up for optimal performance

Thanks in advance and pardon my ignorance...
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Denon receivers and a Directv DVR remote. I posted a similar question on the Pioneer 1019 thread. But am also considering the 1610/590 receiver.

A quick question regarding the power on/power off buttons. We have a Directv HR20 and like using the Directv remote. It has a AV1 setting to map it to a receiver, but it only has one "Pwr" button. Right now, with our current receiver, we can only turn off the receiver with the Pwr button. I'd love to be able to turn on and off the receiver with the Directv remote. I found out that the Pioneer receivers have a single on/off button, but Denons have seperate buttons. So far, the only manufacturers that seem to have a single power button are Pioneer and Onkyo of the receivers I'm considering. Is there any way possible to get the Directv remote to power on and off the Denon receiver?

I'd love to get a universal remote, but for the "wife acceptance factor" she'd prefer to just use the Directv remote since it's geared towards the DVR functionality.

Thanks.

the "master" power button isn't a momentary button like the stand by button, so i don't think you'll be able to control a full power off/on with any remote. you can however leave the master power button on and toggle standy by button with your remote. you should just be able to select AV1 or whatever source button you assign the receiver to on the remote and control it that way.

I was contemplating getting a harmony remote since all volume from all devices run through the 1610, but after i set up my fios remote to always control the AUX device's volume, i no longer feel i need to spend the money on one. check the setup sheet for your remote as well. i learned that i can program mine to to an "ordered" power off/on for up to four devices when the remote's power button is pressed.

if only there was a volume bar overlay on screen, i'd be 100% happy. someone said you can do it with svideo or composite and still watch source material via HDMI, but i still don't understand how that would work.
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the "master" power button isn't a momentary button like the stand by button, so i don't think you'll be able to control a full power off/on with any remote. you can however leave the master power button on and toggle standy by button with your remote. you should just be able to select AV1 or whatever source button you assign the receiver to on the remote and control it that way.

Sorry, you are correct, I meant "standby" instead of true "off". If you look at the picture of the remote, http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/image...AVR590_500.jpg, it looks like there are two buttons at the top. One for "On/Source" and one for "Off". Which makes me think you need two codes for turning it on and off. The Directv remote only has one button labeled "PWR" to control the Avr. Am I correct in assuming that the Directv remote will not work to toggle power/standby on the Denon?
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The DirecTV remote will indeed power on/off the Denon AVR although you really do need to reconsider using a Harmony for the WAF. Only having to press a single button to turn whatever you want ON will get you points.

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Hi gang...
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Is it worth it to upgrade to the Denon AVR1610 to take advantage of the HDMI connections?

Depends on what you plan on doing with your HK. IMHO .. no. You have a nice AVR there which accepts MULT CH analog inputs. If you spend a little more on a Blu-Ray player that decodes HD audio to MULT CH analog you can save yourself having to buy a new AVR and still get the HD audio via your HK.

Another issue not in your favor is your HDMI/DVI Comcast box as that combination tends to not play well with the Denon AVRs. You have a couple options if keeping the HK:

(1) Pick up an HDMI switcher like this one. It would allow you to input the Comcast box (DVI/HDMI cable) and Blu-Ray (HDMI) to the switcher and then a single HDMI cable to the TV. You would also connect an optical from the Comcast box to the HK (as you most likely have configured now) for the DD 5.1 on the HD channels.

(2) Connect the Comcast box (DVI/HDMI) directly to the TV with a component cable from the Blu-Ray player to the TV as well. Audio connections as suggested above.

Whether you keep the HK or get the 1610, you really should look to upgrading your Comcast box to HDMI output.

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....if only there was a volume bar overlay on screen, i'd be 100% happy. someone said you can do it with svideo or composite and still watch source material via HDMI, but i still don't understand how that would work.

If you connect either an S-video or composite video from the source to the 1610, the manual indicates it should switch over to that output when the Menu button is pressed and display the menu over the display. Not sure whether the volume bar would display as well or not. On the older AVRs, the only way to get the volume bar is to also connect a S-video or composite to the TV as well.

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Depends on what you plan on doing with your HK. IMHO .. no. You have a nice AVR there which accepts MULT CH analog inputs. If you spend a little more on a Blu-Ray player that decodes HD audio to MULT CH analog you can save yourself having to buy a new AVR and still get the HD audio via your HK.

Another issue not in your favor is your HDMI/DVI Comcast box as that combination tends to not play well with the Denon AVRs. You have a couple options if keeping the HK:

(1) Pick up an HDMI switcher like this one. It would allow you to input the Comcast box (DVI/HDMI cable) and Blu-Ray (HDMI) to the switcher and then a single HDMI cable to the TV. You would also connect an optical from the Comcast box to the HK (as you most likely have configured now) for the DD 5.1 on the HD channels.

(2) Connect the Comcast box (DVI/HDMI) directly to the TV with a component cable from the Blu-Ray player to the TV as well. Audio connections as suggested above.

Whether you keep the HK or get the 1610, you really should look to upgrading your Comcast box to HDMI output.

Thanks smoothie! Will your 2 suggestions work with the Blu Ray player that I already purchased? (Sony Blu Ray DVD player with HDMI (BDP-BX2) (Costco equivalent of BDP-S360)
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No, which is why I said you would have to pay a little more (~$200 total maybe less) for one that would output MULT CH analog.

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No, which is why I said you would have to pay a little more (~$200 total maybe less) for one that would output MULT CH analog.

got it. any recommendations for a Blu Ray with this capability?
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