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I had questions and someone sugested I start this thread, I hope I dont step on any toes, I'm not a Moderator or Special member or anything. I'm researching my new reciever to get and am very intereseted in the 4310, mainly because of the new stuff like ABT. I just wish I could get it for the 3808's price. I would like to go with the 4310 AVR and the new denon 1610 blu-ray, but I was wondering if it would be just as good to go with the 3808 AVR and Denon 2010 Blu-ray?, That way I could get the ABT video and have good sound as well. Does anyone know if going this route would still look and sound as good as if going the 4310/1610 route? I mean have the 2010 ABT do the video procesing and the 3808 do the sound. thanks
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The benefit of having the video processing in your receiver is that you can apply it to all signals (e.g., cable tv, camcorder, etc.). If you don't intend ever to use anything other than a good quality BD player (with top notch SD DVD upscaling), then this is not much of a concern.

Since there have been no tests/reviews of the 4310 yet, we have no way of knowing how its audio performance compares to the earlier models. Thus, the 4310 is a bit of a crap shoot at this point. Given Denon's general reputation for quality, it is likely to be decent, but it will be a while before we know how it compares to the 3808 overall.

For me, the key feature is the 2 HDMI outputs as I have to drive a projector and a flat screen.

I just ordered a 4310 from Electronics Expo (an authorized dealer according to the Denon USA website). I'm not discussing price, but I will say that I got a significant discount by using a coupon code that I found with a google search. That discount was enough to get me to order now rather than waiting. I expect to receive the unit on Wednesday and I will post my impressions. I am upgrading from a 2309 which has been competent, but not spectacular.

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the 4310 is on my short list and I'm anxious to start hearing from some of the folks who made the early purchase.
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6ave has the 4310CI in stock. You might want to try the Price Alert feature. Eight years after Columbus sailed the ocean blue, that year was a good number, too.



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I just ordered one from 6ave with their name your price promotion...great deal...hopefully a great unit. Now the wait and time to research a BR player.

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Anyone concerned the 4310 is 5lbs less than the 3808 which has an identical power rating??

Bothers me a bit especially since all you really get over the 3808 is PLIIz processing.
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Anyone concerned the 4310 is 5lbs less than the 3808 which has an identical power rating??

Not really concerned. I should have a 4310 as soon as they start shipping to us.

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Anyone concerned the 4310 is 5lbs less than the 3808 which has an identical power rating??

Bothers me a bit especially since all you really get over the 3808 is PLIIz processing.

I took a quick look at the 4310. It appears to have better video processing as well over the 3808. 4310 has Anchor Bay ABT-2010 processing and the 3808 has Faroudja DCDi. The weight issue would concern me as how did they lower the weight and still have the same power rating. But weight is not everything though.

The fact that Denon is offering to update 3808s and 4308s for $100.00 to include Audyssey EQ/Volume is outstanding CS. To bad Onkyo did not offer that.

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I took a quick look at the 4310. It appears to have better video processing as well over the 3808. 4310 has Anchor Bay ABT-2010 processing and the 3808 has Faroudja DCDi. The weight issue would concern me as how did they lower the weight and still have the same power rating. But weight is not everything though.

The fact that Denon is offering to update 3808s and 4308s for $100.00 to include Audyssey EQ/Volume is outstanding CS. To bad Onkyo did not offer that.

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I can vouch for the quality of the 4310's internal amps, at least in 2 channel mode. I set my 4310 up in my 2 channel system driving a pair of
VMPS RM40s.
I've been very impressed (and surprised) at how well the 4310's internal amps have handled the RM40s. (mostly loud, 90+ db, rock music, ZZ Top, Metallica, etc...)
(the RM40s are 4 ohm, 8 driver, 250lbs/ea.... behemoth speakers that normally don't respond well to anything less than high quality amplification.
I've had several separte amps shut down trying to drive these speakers.

Anyway the 4310 never falter, never sounded strained (at worst I thought the 4310 lacked a little control in the lower frequencies compared to the NAD dual mono block amp I've been running.
And, get this, even after a hour or so of 90+ db rock... this thing didn't get more than luke warm to the touch..... pretty amazing, me thinks

Now that the 4310 has passed, with flying colors, the RM40 2/channel torture test, I'm moving it downstairs into our home theater system, where hopefully it will continue to impress

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Hi,
I read about a "Napster online subscription based service support". Is there a way to connect the Denon 3808 or 4308 with the napster service ( I am member). Or will there be updates for the "old" receivers ?
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I can vouch for the quality of the 4310's internal amps, at least in 2 channel mode. I set my 4310 up in my 2 channel system driving a pair of
VMPS RM40s.
I've been very impressed (and surprised) at how well the 4310's internal amps have handled the RM40s. (mostly loud, 90+ db, rock music, ZZ Top, Metallica, etc...)
(the RM40s are 4 ohm, 8 driver, 250lbs/ea.... behemoth speakers that normally don't respond well to anything less than high quality amplification.
I've had several separte amps shut down trying to drive these speakers.

Anyway the 4310 never falter, never sounded strained (at worst I thought the 4310 lacked a little control in the lower frequencies compared to the NAD dual mono block amp I've been running.
And, get this, even after a hour or so of 90+ db rock... this thing didn't get more than luke warm to the touch..... pretty amazing, me thinks

Now that the 4310 has passed, with flying colors, the RM40 2/channel torture test, I'm moving it downstairs into our home theater system, where hopefully it will continue to impress

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Glad to hear you are enjoying the 4310. The fact that it stays fairly cool through your torture test is so unOnkyo like.

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Anyone trying Audyssey DSX or DPLIIz yet?

Some of us are very interested in what owners think about adding height or width channels & your impressions using it.

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I can vouch for the quality of the 4310's internal amps, at least in 2 channel mode. I set my 4310 up in my 2 channel system driving a pair of
VMPS RM40s.
I've been very impressed (and surprised) at how well the 4310's internal amps have handled the RM40s. (mostly loud, 90+ db, rock music, ZZ Top, Metallica, etc...)
(the RM40s are 4 ohm, 8 driver, 250lbs/ea.... behemoth speakers that normally don't respond well to anything less than high quality amplification.
I've had several separte amps shut down trying to drive these speakers.

Anyway the 4310 never falter, never sounded strained (at worst I thought the 4310 lacked a little control in the lower frequencies compared to the NAD dual mono block amp I've been running.
And, get this, even after a hour or so of 90+ db rock... this thing didn't get more than luke warm to the touch..... pretty amazing, me thinks

Now that the 4310 has passed, with flying colors, the RM40 2/channel torture test, I'm moving it downstairs into our home theater system, where hopefully it will continue to impress

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Good post. This changes my thinking dramatically.
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I was looking at the 4310's manual and it states that you can connect a ipod directly to the 4310 with a usb cable. Does this bypass the ipods DACs ala the Wadia 170i or are do the ipods DACs still come into play? Is video processing per input or global for all inputs?

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I was looking at the 4310's manual and it states that you can connect a ipod directly to the 4310 with a usb cable. Does this bypass the ipods DACs ala the Wadia 170i or are do the ipods DACs still come into play? Is video processing per input or global for all inputs?

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I don't know about the iPod issue as I have not received my 4310 yet. How can we test which DACs are being used? Let us know what to look for and I'll test it in a day or two when my 4310 shows up.

From reading the manual, I believe the video processing can be set up per input.

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I was looking at the 4310's manual and it states that you can connect a ipod directly to the 4310 with a usb cable. Does this bypass the ipods DACs ala the Wadia 170i or are do the ipods DACs still come into play? Is video processing per input or global for all inputs?

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Not sure about your iPod question.. haven't tried it yet.

Video processing is per input

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Not sure about your iPod question.. haven't tried it yet.

Video processing is per input

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dc and iblumberg,

Thanks. If connecting a ipod via usb bypasses the ipods DAC I would be very interested. As far as I know the Wadia 170i is the only ipod dock type device that bypasses the low grade DACs in the ipod allowing you to use an external DAC. Having per input video settings is a great feature. I have inwall speakers from a old Yamaha 3090 that had front effect speakers. I could finally put them to use after many years of inactivity.

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We now have the 4310 in stock at A V Science just FYI.

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The brand new AVR-4310 is stripped down a bid compared with the 4308.

The - points:

* stripped W-LAN connection (Wi-Fi)
No more Wifi
* No more DAB Audio
* Video Outputs Component 1
AVR-4308A has 2 + Zone 2
* Digital Outputs optical 1
AVR-4308A got 2 pices
* coaxial went from 4 to 3 pices incl front.
- No more gold plated connectors on the back of the unit
* The hight and depth dimension went Lower

Dimensions (width x height x depth)

AVR-4310 434x171x414

AVR-4308A 434x195x455

the + points:

The new price went from 2600 back to 1999 US Dollar and Euro's

All with all i was looking forwart to the new coming AVR-4310
(I do have the 4306)

Now i don't know.

Why is the AVR-4310 Back on the same new price as the 4306 did came on the market and does they left so mutch out compared to the 4308 and does they do a minnor upgrade over the left components compared to the AVR-4308.


I have mixed feeling about this brand new Denon AVR-4310.


I'm shure it's all good quality but, for me upgrading from a AVR-4306 to a AVR-4310 does not have so mutch improofments anymore exept better scaller and Audessy and HD decoders.

I wish the AVR-4310 was a upgraded 4308 and not stripped down.

now i wait for the 4312 model and hope denon does learn from this if they read this.

Regard,

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update:

i see now that the AVR-4310 is the replacement for the AVR-3808

The new comer for the AVR-4306/4308 will be the AVR-4810

To bad news, the new prices are again higher.


4306 --> $1999 - Euro price Netherlands 1999
4308 --> $2699 - Euro price Netherlands 2699
4810 --> $2999 - Euro price Netherlands 2999

Why i Why does europe people almost pay the dubble, I wich i was rich.

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Is there anyone who either has upgraded to the 4310ci from the 3808ci or has decided to? I'd be curious to know what led to that, and if you already have upgraded, whether you think the 4310ci is a worthwhile step up. I'm trying to evaluate a slightly different decision, which is whether to get the 3808ci at closeout prices or get the 4310ci. It looks like I can do the 4310ci for about $500 more than the 3808ci, and I'm trying to determine if the improvements of the 4310ci are worth $500.

I know what the big improvements are, but weighing the value is proving challenging. Here's the thought process I posted on another thread I started about my decision process (Denon AVR-3808ci vs Yamaha RX-v3900 vs Onkyo TX-NR906). That started to veer towards the 3808ci and 4310ci debate, and someone over there suggested I post here as many 3808ci owners may either be doing or at least considering the ugprade.

- The new video processor is promising, but I can't say I've been disappointed by how my TV and devices handle things now. Maybe I don't know what I'm missing though. I don't think we've seen reviews yet on the implementation of the ABT chip in the 4310 yet either. I certainly wouldn't mind having a nice video processor though.
- Two extra HDMI inputs is certainly nice to have. I'm at 3 HDMI devices now, so 4 would give me some expansion, but 5 rear/1 front is appealing. That said though, I have a Harmony remote, which should eliminate most of the hassle involved in dealing with an HDMI switcher. So I'm not sure what value to assign to this.
- I won't say I wouldn't ever use it, but I can't see myself needing a second HDMI output at this point (or any multi zone features). Maybe when I buy a house in the future, but I'm still not convinced I'd go with multi zone.
- I'm not sure how useful the new Dolby PLIIz or Audyssey DSX features will prove to be.
- Other things like HD Radio and direct iPod connections are nice to have, but not vital. There may also be some other improvements not yet known, such as GUI refinements, etc. Of course there could also be new bugs. The 3808ci is at least a known quantity. Still, I like knowing I have the latest and greatest, and that the 4310ci is probably where Denon's attention will shift for fixes and feature upgrades.

I'm on the fence as to whether that's worth $500 to me. Any thoughts that could help me weigh those improvements against the cost difference would be much appreciated. While I could spend the extra $500 without too much trouble, I want to be sure the value's really there.
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I was looking at the 4310's manual and it states that you can connect a ipod directly to the 4310 with a usb cable. Does this bypass the ipods DACs ala the Wadia 170i or are do the ipods DACs still come into play? Is video processing per input or global for all inputs?

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Using the USB connection should bypass the DAC. USB is a digital connection so the Ipod wouldn't convert the signal to Analog. The DAC is only used through the headphone jack.

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If the IPOD is inputting a digital signal, wouldn't the receiver be required to use its DAC to convert the signal to analog to drive the speakers? Or am I missing something completely...
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Using the USB connection should bypass the DAC. USB is a digital connection so the Ipod wouldn't convert the signal to Analog. The DAC is only used through the headphone jack.

But aren't many if not all ipod docks using the multi pin connector that would be used for the USB connection to the 4310? With all ipod docks other than the Wadia 170i they are using the internal DACs of the ipod when using this connector. I could be wrong but I thing the big advantage of going USB direct to the 4310 is to eliminate the need for a dock.

I am starting to think that if the 4310 allowed a direct digital from an ipod that Denon would be more clear in the description of this function in the manual. Also I would think Denon would be pushing the fact that they offer a direct digital path with the 4310 as the Wadia 170i is the only device out that allows this.

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If the IPOD is inputting a digital signal, wouldn't the receiver be required to use its DAC to convert the signal to analog to drive the speakers? Or am I missing something completely...

Yes IF the ipod was putting out a direct digital signal the DACs in the 4310 would be needed. And I would say the DACs in the 4310 would be far superior to the DACs in the ipod. That is why I am so interested as to how the USB connection works with the 4310.

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I'm trying to evaluate a slightly different decision, which is whether to get the 3808ci at closeout prices or get the 4310ci. It looks like I can do the 4310ci for about $500 more than the 3808ci, and I'm trying to determine if the improvements of the 4310ci are worth $500.
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I'm in the exact same boat. Would love to hear from someone who's made this call.
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The brand new AVR-4310 is stripped down a bid compared with the 4308.

The - points:

* stripped W-LAN connection (Wi-Fi)
No more Wifi
* No more DAB Audio
* Video Outputs Component 1
AVR-4308A has 2 + Zone 2
* Digital Outputs optical 1
AVR-4308A got 2 pices
* coaxial went from 4 to 3 pices incl front.
- No more gold plated connectors on the back of the unit
* The hight and depth dimension went Lower

Dimensions (width x height x depth)

AVR-4310 434x171x414

AVR-4308A 434x195x455

the + points:

The new price went from 2600 back to 1999 US Dollar and Euro's

All with all i was looking forwart to the new coming AVR-4310
(I do have the 4306)

Now i don't know.

Why is the AVR-4310 Back on the same new price as the 4306 did came on the market and does they left so mutch out compared to the 4308 and does they do a minnor upgrade over the left components compared to the AVR-4308.


I have mixed feeling about this brand new Denon AVR-4310.


I'm shure it's all good quality but, for me upgrading from a AVR-4306 to a AVR-4310 does not have so mutch improofments anymore exept better scaller and Audessy and HD decoders.

I wish the AVR-4310 was a upgraded 4308 and not stripped down.

now i wait for the 4312 model and hope denon does learn from this if they read this.

Regard,

Dutchman01


update:

i see now that the AVR-4308 is the replacement for the AVR-3808

The new comer for the AVR-4306/4308 will be the AVR-4810

To bad the new prices are again higher.


4306 --> 1999
4308 --> 2699
4810 --> 2999

dammmm. wich i was rich.

I have the 4308. If I was going to buy again I wouldn't get the 4310 as it would actually be a step down and I would go with the 4810, but price...ouch!!
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I am starting to think that if the 4310 allowed a direct digital from an ipod that Denon would be more clear in the description of this function in the manual. Also I would think Denon would be pushing the fact that they offer a direct digital path with the 4310 as the Wadia 170i is the only device out that allows this.
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Bill I have the same thought as you. And I'm far less optimistic. I think this connection is not direct digital path. Wadia paid a high price for the license (I'm sure it's proprietary), that's why it costs so much.
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Bill I have the same thought as you. And I'm far less optimistic. I think this connection is not direct digital path. Wadia paid a high price for the license (I'm sure it's proprietary), that's why it costs so much.

I agree. It would great if the 4310 did this but as you said Wadia paid a premuim for that license. If the 4310 does have this capability the 170i would be selling at fire sale prices. Plus there would be a good amount of press about Denon having this feature but there is none that I have seen.

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It looks like I can do the 4310ci for about $500 more than the 3808ci, and I'm trying to determine if the improvements of the 4310ci are worth $500.

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First, the $500 would go towards the better video chip and flexibility to do the new Dolby format. The DACs are the same, from what we've read. As I have said in the "new Denons" thread, for my HT I usually splurge and get the better source equipment. I have Blu-Ray in there, and the upscaling capability of the player is good enough. I have my Dish in there, which in theory could benefit from the better video chip, but that is of low usage for me in the HT. A video game would not benefit from upscaling to 1080p.

For the savings I might pull in an Apple TV (or similar), a wireless bridge, etc. I can even choose to upgrade my projector.

In my family room I put the leftovers. No Blu-Ray yet, regular use of Dish, Wii, the video camera, etc. I have a 720p 50" plasma, which may be replaced with a mid-line flat panel in the next few years, so probably intermediate scaler. Here is where I'd like a decent video chip, and more connectivity.

That said, if I had the money I might just go for the latest/greatest and spend the $500. Still, there are so many gadgets you can get for $500...

PS Can you PM me how you are able to get the 4310 for only $500 more than the 3808?
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