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post #31 of 51 Old 07-03-2009, 04:11 AM
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My SC-07 converts DSD to PCM. When I feed DSD Raw the front panel lights up DSD-PCM

From the SC-07 manual:

"When a signal encoded in the corresponding format
is detected (DSD-PCM lights during DSD (Digital
Stream Direct) to PCM conversion with SACDs)."

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Really?

The product sheets for the SC-05 and SC-07 indicate they do DSD Direct, which tends to connotate DSD --> analog decoding where as the product sheets for the SC-09 (older than the SC-05/07) as well as the new SC-25 and SC-27 specifically mention them having DSD to PCM converter.

Are you sure the SC-05 and SC-07 handled DSD that way? Are you sure they didn't have both options (most receivers that can do straight DSD decoding also offer DSD --> PCM as well)?

Using Pure Direct, the SC-09/LX90 processes DSD directly to analog - no PCM conversion in between. And no DSD > PCM indicator Also, no bass management since digital processing is turned off.

In Direct & Auto Surround, DSD is converted to PCM 1st, because digital processing is applied. And the DSD > PCM indication is on.

Just thought I'd clear that up since you made a reference to the 09. It most definitely can process DSD directly.

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It appears that both the SC-07 and SC-27 will decode DSD to analog when using "Pure Direct". Both manuals seem to indicate it. Never used "Pure Direct" as I prefer the MCACC on.

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Using Pure Direct, the SC-09/LX90 processes DSD directly to analog - no PCM conversion in between. And no DSD > PCM indicator Also, no bass management since digital processing is turned off.

In Direct & Auto Surround, DSD is converted to PCM 1st, because digital processing is applied. And the DSD > PCM indication is on.

Just thought I'd clear that up since you made a reference to the 09. It most definitely can process DSD directly.

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I'm sure it was a combination of a number of things...but you would think they would at least support the codec in one of their Elite or non-Elite Blu Ray players. Looks like if I want DPLIIz supported, I'm going to have to get a BDP that decodes it for me.

PLIIz is a "derived" matrix-based Codec if I recall so the height channels are manufactured from the original source (like PLII Movie, Music, etc.). If that's the case they will never be encoded in the actual stream. In other words, PLIIz is receiver / processor based. Could be wrong but that's how I understand it. It probably could be added via a firmware upgrade however.
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Thanks for the clarification. I figured it might handle it both ways but the manuals were just a bit vague.
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PLIIz is a "derived" matrix-based Codec if I recall so the height channels are manufactured from the original source (like PLII Movie, Music, etc.). If that's the case they will never be encoded in the actual stream. In other words, PLIIz is receiver / processor based. Could be wrong but that's how I understand it. It probably could be added via a firmware upgrade however.

In that case it seems kind of unnecessary, but maybe this is something I should actually go and listen to first before passing judgment. :P

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Will any of these new AVR's pass HDMI when in stand by mode?
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Im pretty sure they will, but I dont see it listed anywhere...

Will the VSX-21 or 23 accept multichannel PCM over HDMI?
I will be using my PS3 for a blu-ray player and I want to make sure that I will be able to take advantage of the hi res sound codecs

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Will any of these new AVR's pass HDMI when in stand by mode?

All existing Pioneer receivers have to be turned on for HDMI to be passed. It is not a passive connection. So I would expect the new ones to be the same.

Not on - no HDMI

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Does anyone know if the SC-25 and SC-27 are Analog or Digital Class D Amps?

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Does anyone know if the SC-25 and SC-27 are Analog or Digital Class D Amps?

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Well.....just a little nomenclature blip, but the ICEamps aren't really digital amps. They are digital switching amps, however.

But, to answer your question, the 25/27 do indeed use the ICE amps of their predecessors.

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Well the reason I was wondering is another audio website did a story back in 04 and the author states
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Digitally controlled class D: dead end street.
Analog controlled class D: definitely the future, although you shouldn't expect it to flatten competition from traditional solid- state and tube amps by a tremendous margin.

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Anyone received a VSX-23txh yet? any impressions?
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Anyone received a VSX-23txh yet? any impressions?

I am wondering the same thing. On 6thave.com they accepted a bid for the VSX-23TXH of $699 and I was wondering what people thought of this receiver.....I would be upgrading from a HDMI-less circa 2002 JVC-RX8020 VBK (which I love to death....) 23txh owners please post impressions
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I have had the vsx23-txh for about a month now. I am not an expert but my impressions are..

Positives;
-Sounds great. I would not describe sound as warm but it is definitely clear, not tinny. Sound may be more speakers and room acoustics.
-plenty of power to fill my space, 20 X 15 X 8.
-Can rename inputs
-plenty of HDMI inputs and 2 outputs
-IPOD connectivity works great.
-MCACC worked well for me. Although I had to change my speakers to small manually.

Negatives;
-no pass-through in stand-by. I knew this before I purchased and it can be avoided with an HDMI splitter. It is just one of those things that would have been nice.
-remote sucks.
-The 'power-on' issue irritates me. For those that do not know, the receiver will not power back on using the remote after it has been off for over an hour. I believe there are fixes out there but I do not know of one. I believe it can be avoided with the KURO link ste to on but i am not sure. I have no other pioneer devices so KURO link is unnecessary for me. This totally defeats the purpose of my Harmony 1 presets!!

I will post more opinions as I explore them.
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I have the vsx-21txh, almost identical to your 23...

yes, the power on issue truly SUCKS and i cannot believe that pioneer elite was so stupid as to ship ELITE units with an issue such as this... however...

If Kuro Link is set to ON and the second setting (for power, i think) in the kuro link menu is set to off... no power on issue.

but it DOES remove your ability to assign optical inputs to your HDMI connections, which sucks if you want an HTPC with HDMI video only and optical or coax audio.

They really need to update the firmware to either allow assignable audio with Kuro on or fix the power on issue... but I use a Harmony 880 and have no issues anymore while using these settings (and running my HTPC through component video cables rather than hdmi)
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Unless I misunderstand the 'power on' issue you describe, I don't have this problem with my new VSX-21.
I have all the Kuro link settings 'off', and can use the AVR remote or my Harmony One to power on no matter how long the AVRs been off.
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Has there been any info on Pioneer 2010 vsx receivers yet?
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Actually, I believe the first rumors of the new Elites is the VSX-LX52:

Link is from ssak in the SC-09TX (SC-LX90) thread:
looks like the replacement for the VSX-01 or 03 Elite (VSX-LX51).
The VSX would seem to indicate regular amps.. ICE Amps have been designated: SC-LXxx or SC-xx

VSX-LX52:
Multichannel PQLS
http://www.avland.co.uk/aasp/pioneer...52/vsxlx52.asp

http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av...4c-39000544q-1

Pioneer VSX-LX52
THX Select 2 Plus certified
5xHDMI inputs and 2 HDMI outputs with video scaling to 1080p
Dolby TrueHD & DTS-HD Master audio decoding
Advanced MCACC room calibration
Multichannel PQLS for jitter-free audio playback over HDMI when paired with a Pioneer Blu-Ray Disc player
On Screen Display
Built in RDS AM/FM tuner
iPod Digital - allows you to connect modern iPods and iPhone digitally via USB - no need for an external dock
USB input
Multi-channel ASR and ALC to restore fidelity and volume equalisation to compressed audio and television broadcasts
Bi-amping capability
Zone 2 pre-out and video output
12v trigger outputs
Preset remote control
Kuro Link
Available in Black only

Details are tentative and sketchy..


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