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Hello, I am new to the Audio world and I am looking to build up my first theater system. I am 21 with full time job and go to school full time as well, so I am looking for a decent receiver to handle my needs. I narrowed it down to those 3 listed on the title.

Living Room Size: (LxWxH) - 14x12x10

System I will be having is:

TV - Samsung 46B650
Speakers - Energy Take Classic 5.0 (L,R,C & Surrounds)
Subwoofer - SVS PB12 NDS
Receiver - Pending

What I am aiming for on a reciever is:

- 5.1 receiver
- Audio over HDMI
- At least 3 HDMI inputs. (Cable, Xbox 360 & DVD)
- Able to connect my N64, Wii, Xbox 360 without a problem. (Read that the Yamaha will not take Wii's component cable)
- Enough juice for the speakers and sub listed above.

* I don't think I need video up-conversion but I could be wrong. (Any suggestions?)

I also have the WD Media player, not sure I will be connecting that to the receiver or if I even going to connect it.

Hopefully you guys can give me advice or opinions on choosing the right one for my setup and needs. I do not mind getting something that cost's more as long as it will handle my needs. Thanks for your time.
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Or the Denon AVR 1610 ?

No suggestions?
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Or the Denon AVR 1610 ?

No suggestions?

What's the budget?
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Spend more and get the Yamaha RX-765 if budget and signficant other permit. Yamaha does now work with Wii-Component/Analog-Audio cable. They did not at first. It might require a firmware update.

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There is no budget.

I just want the right receiver for my needs. Nothing extra that I will not use. I do not mind spending money as long as it sounds good and has the features I need. I know Denon is a bit more expensive but I do not mind.

Quality>Price.
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In a small room with those little speakers, and if you only need 5.1, I would not overspend on the receiver. Look at the Denon 1610/590, the Pio 819 or 919, etc.

Very little "juice" will be needed from the receiver with that setup, most of the load is going to be carried by your awesome subwoofer (the crossover is going to be 120Hz probably).

Your "needs" are pretty simple -- 5.1, 3 HDMI inputs -- and most any receiver these days will do what you need. As you move up in price, you are mostly paying for extra power and extra features, so at that point it's just a matter of "wants" vs "needs" (vs your budget of course)....

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^^ Yea its a small and simple setup. I appreciate the input MichaelJHuman and batpig.

I did notice that the yammy has 95wt per channel vs 75wt per channel on the Denon.

Also read that the Denon is more reliable on their systems than the yammy as they tend to exaggerate. Is that true? I am contemplating on whether to go with the yammy or the Denon, I do not want the Denon to be too low.
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^^ Yea its a small and simple setup. I appreciate the input MichaelJHuman and batpig.

I did notice that the yammy has 95wt per channel vs 75wt per channel on the Denon.

Also read that the Denon is more reliable on their systems than the yammy as they tend to exaggerate. Is that true? I am contemplating on whether to go with the yammy or the Denon, I do not want the Denon to be too low.

Ignore power ratings for the most part. See the AVR FAQ for why. Neither Yamaha or Denon rate their receivers all channels driven. So I would not agree that one is preferable to the other in that regard.

You can sometimes find benchmark tests which give you a slightly better idea of what's going on, if they test five or more channels driven at the same time continuous at 20hz to 20khz. And testing into 4 ohms is even more useful, in my opinion if both receivers do so.

You can also compare power consumption and compare weights which will give you some info.

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it's more accurate to say the Denons will come closer to the rated power output with ALL channels driven. The Yamaha ratings aren't "dishonest" per se, as they will always meet their specs in 1-channel driven tests. The problem is a lack of consistency in ratings standards.

But anyway, there is ZERO chance the entry level Yamaha's have MORE power than the Denon 1610. The Yamaha RX-V463 was bench-tested at only 33W/ch with all five channels driven, and the new 465/565/665 are very similar in terms of weight and amp specs; as to the Denon 1610, based upon other tests I would make an educated guess that the Denon will put out 50-60W/ch with five channels driven.

The 765 and up is a different animal as it actually has a real, discrete amp section.

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Thank you MichaelJHuman and batpig. I will be picking up the Denon 1610 very soon.

I appreciate all the quick and detailed reply's.
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I would make an educated guess that the Denon will put out 50-60W/ch with five channels driven.

That's exactly where I'd put it.
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I've been looking at the same price range of receiver, and I some how totally missed the Denon 1610, that looks amazing for the price!

It has the full Auddessy suite (I really want Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume) and it will do analog to digital conversion! The others in that range do not
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you may have missed it because it just came out maybe 2 weeks ago.

Denon is obviously taking direct aim at the entry level buyers, because in the past couple of years they have probably gotten smoked by the excellent value offerings from Onkyo, Yamaha, and Pio. Last year you had to step up to the $600 msrp 789/1909 level to even get HDMI audio.

It's a good time to be an "entry lever" buyer now. For well under $400 you have some nice choices with Pioneer 819/919, Yamaha 465/565, Denon 1610/590, and Onkyo 507.

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you may have missed it because it just came out maybe 2 weeks ago.

Denon is obviously taking direct aim at the entry level buyers, because in the past couple of years they have probably gotten smoked by the excellent value offerings from Onkyo, Yamaha, and Pio. Last year you had to step up to the $600 msrp 789/1909 level to even get HDMI audio.

It's a good time to be an "entry lever" buyer now. For well under $400 you have some nice choices with Pioneer 819/919, Yamaha 465/565, Denon 1610/590, and Onkyo 507.

Yep, yep. Now I just need it to be in stock in my area... as you said it just came out so now I just need to paitent while my nearest BB w/ Magnolia gets it in stock.
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