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it is attractively priced at $329.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882117301

I will mainly be watching TV, Bluray, Gaming.
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Pioneer generally makes nice units, but their power ratings are overrated. Not a big deal if you have reasonably efficient speakers; also keeping in mind it takes twice the amp power to gain 3db. That said, I think the Denon 1610 is probably a better pick. It's GUI and manual stinks, but Denon generally has a good amp section, Audyssey, and is known for reliability. I think the 1610 can be had for only a few bucks more than the 919.
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the speakers I have are:

Polk Monitor 40 x 2

Polk Monitor 30 x 2

Polk CS1 x 1
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Just about any receiver will be able to drive those speakers including the 919 and 1610.
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I just got my VSX-919 (for less than you posted - PM me if you want the info), and I love it.

I needed a receiver with HDMI switching, video conversion from component to HDMI, and support for all of the latest BR codecs.

I'm a big pioneer fan, so it was down to this or the VSX-1019. I didn't need the additional HDMI port, so it was a pretty easy choice...
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does the upconversion work for Composite and Component video?

So if I plug in the Composite, will it output thru the HDMI cable to the TV?
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Yes.

This way you can have a single HDMI cable to your TV, and connect composite, component to HDMI sources to the receiver for switching.

I have a DVD player that only has component outputs, and it works great.

Note that it doesn't UPCONVERT them, it only converts them to HDMI at the same resolution they come in on.

I think the VSX-1019 will actually do up conversion to say 1080i, etc...
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well thats ok too, at least less cable clutter.
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thanks for tip.
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Since the Denon was raised as one possible alternative, it could be the better choice for you as it has a feature called 'Dynamic Volume' which helps improve the "fullness" of sound when playing music or movies at less than reference/high volumes. Across the board, owners seem to really appreciate it and it's a feature that has real practical significance.

On the other hand, Pioneer 2009 models such as the 919 have probably the most functionally competent Ipod integration, that's if you have an Ipod and you ever want to be able to play it through the receiver.

Also, both the Denon and PIoneer have a feature which levels out the sound going from loud commercials to quieter programming. My general impression, albeit a somewhat vague one, has been that the Denon's is better but I can't say for sure.

The Denon and Pioneer brands have roughly equivalent solid reputations for reliability, so you can't really favor one or the other from that standpoint.

There are certainly other considerations which might sway you in one direction or another, even another brand altogether with their respective receivers at a similar price point. Based upon your stated usage needs, which are pretty basic (i.e., "I will mainly be watching TV, Bluray, Gaming"), I'm sure many different receivers would work well for your situation. The vsx-919 would certainly qualify as one of several fine choices.

Personally, I would tend to favor the Pioneer because it has some additional sound tweaking potential with it's MCACC EQ software, which can be overridden manually to a great extent than, for example, Denon's Audyssey EQ software. But if you have no interest in playing around with this type of built-in EQ software beyond the automated option that both brands have, then my preference should have no bearing upon your decision.

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The 919 is a great unit and probably the best new value on market atm. For reference, this price is what the Yamaha 465 currently lists for on sale, and frankly, it's not even in the same league as the 919. I don't have any experience with the higher end Audysee (Multi-EQ?) that I think all the Denon's use, but Advanced MCACC is a significant improvement over the lower end Audysee (2EQ?) you find on most every other receiver in this price range.
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I was considering both the VSX919 and the Denon 1610. The AVR1610 has a 98% identical sibling known as the AVR590. Denon does this with all their receivers. They come out with a consumer friendly version, as well as the same receiver with a few custom installer features. So the 590/1610 are virtually the same. The 1910/790, etc. The CI version is always priced a bit higher and released earlier than the consumer versions. That being said, I bought the 590 over the 919VSX. I found a great deal (still going on) at US Appliance, who are an authorized dealer. I also read that Pioneer's manual is just as non-user friendly as the Denon, so that was not an issue either.
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can the pioneer recieve banana plugs?
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Considering how crammed the binding posts are, banana plugs are probably the only way to go.
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can the pioneer recieve banana plugs?

Yes
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........That being said, I bought the 590 over the 919VSX. I found a great deal (still going on) at US Appliance, who are an authorized dealer. I also read that Pioneer's manual is just as non-user friendly as the Denon, so that was not an issue either.

I stumbled upon your thread in the highdef forum asking about these two receivers. Hopefully, the posters over there didn't influence you too much in going with the Denon as I thought the "advice" provided by two of them was questionable at best, ridiculous at worst. Again, as I stated in my previous post, the Denon is another fine receiver choice, depending upon your needs. But it's a toss-up type choice, certainly not an obvious one in favor of Denon as those two posters seem to think.

But now that you have the 590, be sure to check out batpig's Denon guide. He's a member here who has built up alot of knowledge about Denon receivers. In addition ot his contributions on this forum, he now has his own website with Denon information. It can effectively replace the Denon instructional manual as your primary source of guidance.

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I was considering both the VSX919 and the Denon 1610. The AVR1610 has a 98% identical sibling known as the AVR590. Denon does this with all their receivers. They come out with a consumer friendly version, as well as the same receiver with a few custom installer features. So the 590/1610 are virtually the same. The 1910/790, etc. The CI version is always priced a bit higher and released earlier than the consumer versions. That being said, I bought the 590 over the 919VSX. I found a great deal (still going on) at US Appliance, who are an authorized dealer. I also read that Pioneer's manual is just as non-user friendly as the Denon, so that was not an issue either.

Gus, I'm new to this site and interested in the vsx 919. I'm curious about your suggestion. Isn't Denon's avr590 a 5.1 ch receiver? What else makes it competitive to the vsx 919 (in your opinion, for your needs)?
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it is attractively priced at $329.99
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I will mainly be watching TV, Bluray, Gaming.

Missed this one. Was watching it last night and now today they are out of stock.

Hmmm... you guys really jump on these deals, don't you???
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I found a great deal (still going on) at US Appliance, who are an authorized dealer.

I don't see them listed anywhere on Denon's site. Are you sure they're an authorized dealer?
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Sorry. The AVR590 is only 5.1. FOr me, that is all I need. It is going in my basement in a little area wired only for 5.1. If you need 7.1, then you would need to look elsewhere
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oK, 1 last question about this pioneer

So say you calibrate your equipment with the integrated calibration system, after that, do you still need to set the Xover Manually for the speakers???, or will this automatic calibration will take care of that?
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oK, 1 last question about this pioneer

So say you calibrate your equipment with the integrated calibration system, after that, do you still need to set the Xover Manually for the speakers???, or will this automatic calibration will take care of that?

It's supposed to do it for you, but room correction often gets it wrong so it's a good idea to look over the settings it has chosen.
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I bought this Receiver. It is realy cool.
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I just got this receiver and like it except that I'm kind of perplexed about trying to hook up my PC via HDMI through the receiver. I have an HDMI > DVI cable going from my PC to the VSX-919AH. I also have 3.5mm plug to R/L RCA cable going to my receiver. Only problem is that I'm not seeing anything about being able to use analog audio with HDMI video. Is this even possible? This is a deal breaker for me and I'm going to return the receiver if it can't do this.
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I just got this receiver and like it except that I'm kind of perplexed about trying to hook up my PC via HDMI through the receiver. I have an HDMI > DVI cable going from my PC to the VSX-919AH. I also have 3.5mm plug to R/L RCA cable going to my receiver. Only problem is that I'm not seeing anything about being able to use analog audio with HDMI video. Is this even possible? This is a deal breaker for me and I'm going to return the receiver if it can't do this.

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You need to press the Signal Select button on the remote (Signal Sel?) until the audio changes from HDMI to the analog inputs. The receiver has multiple analog inputs per source, and defaults to HDMI if present. Since there is no audio on your HDMI cable, you can't hear anything.

If I recall, the settings are AUTO, HDMI, Digital (Optical), and then Analog, which is what you want.

Once you make this change it should work for you...
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Even like others i am really torn between Pioneer VSX-919AH-K and the Denon AVR 1910 model, i indeed do like the IPOD connectivity feature, GUI i really don't care as it is only used during setup and you don't look at it after that.
But how is the sound quality and video quality of both the receivers particularly lets says you up convert Wii via the HDMI. I had the Onkyo 605 model and heard good reviews on the Denon receivers in general
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Even like others i am really torn between Pioneer VSX-919AH-K and the Denon AVR 1910 model, i indeed do like the IPOD connectivity feature, GUI i really don't care as it is only used during setup and you don't look at it after that.
But how is the sound quality and video quality of both the receivers particularly lets says you up convert Wii via the HDMI. I had the Onkyo 605 model and heard good reviews on the Denon receivers in general

The VSX-919 will convert analog signals (like the Wii) to HDMI, but it will NOT upconvert them to a higher resolution.

What I mean is if you feed the receiver a 480i/480p signal, it will be passed to the HDMI output in the same 480i/480p resolution.

The benefit here is that you can use a single cable (HDMI) to your TV and use your receiver to switch between HDMI and non-HDMI sources easily.
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Last weekend I exchanged my VSX-819 at BB for the VSX-919. My main reason was for the perceived issue with the loss in video quality using the HDMI in/out. I thought that I was seeing things until a read about it in the 819 thread; so I tested it myself.
It was true, I ran my Blue Ray and my HTPC direct to my projector with the same cables and the image was noticeably better and motion was smoother. When I got the 919 I re-ran my test and the images and motion looked identical to my eyes, the way that HD should look like.

On Pioneers website it shows that the 919 has PureCinema video processing (true 24fps) where the 819 does not. All I know is now is that both the BR and the HTPC images look superb running through the 919. The sound is pretty frickin' good too.

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Even like others i am really torn between Pioneer VSX-919AH-K and the Denon AVR 1910 model

well, the Denon 1910/790 is really more in line with the Pioneer 1019 in terms of features / specs. e.g. both have 4 HDMI inputs, 1080p scaling, etc. and are going to cost $400+.

the people in this thread are discussing the more "entry level" options of Pio 919 vs Denon 1610/590 for the sub-$350 range. Both are excellent units that seem to be clearly at the head of the "entry level" class, and have more similar specs (3 HDMI inputs, full HD audio decoding, analog>digital video conversion but no scaling, just 480i/p deinterlace).

CruelIntentions' post above does a good job of laying out the differences, it's really a matter of which one has the features which appeal to you.

The Pio 919's big advantages are that it is a full 7.1 receiver with Zone 2 capabilities, color OSD, and the dedicated ipod USB port. Plus the MCACC system is built for "tweakers" since it is highly adjustible and can save 6 presets.

The Denon is only a 5.1 unit with no multizone, but it probably has a better amp section and it has a big advantage with the full Audyssey MultEQ suite (with Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume).

There is no real "better" or "worse", just which one has the right "fringe benefits" which appeal to you.

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First off - Welcome the AVS forums!

You need to press the Signal Select button on the remote (Signal Sel?) until the audio changes from HDMI to the analog inputs. The receiver has multiple analog inputs per source, and defaults to HDMI if present. Since there is no audio on your HDMI cable, you can't hear anything.

If I recall, the settings are AUTO, HDMI, Digital (Optical), and then Analog, which is what you want.

Once you make this change it should work for you...

So I tried using the Signal Select button and it isn't working. It isn't letting me choose anything other than HDMI. What jacks should I be plugging my RCA cables into?
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