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My question is, should I just pass the video from the Panasonic BD60 to the Denon to let it's Anchor Bay 2010 chip process the image? Which video processing chip is better, the Panny's or the Denon's?
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My question is, should I just pass the video from the Panasonic BD60 to the Denon to let it's Anchor Bay 2010 chip process the image? Which video processing chip is better, the Panny's or the Denon's?

honestly, these types of questions are so setup specific that you really just have to try for yourself. Try setting the BD60 to 1080p and let it pass through.... and try setting the BD60 to 480i output (assuming we are talking about SD DVD conversion) and then have the Denon scale to 1080p. Pick the winner!

Unless one of the devices is really bad you may have difficult seeing a difference unless you really know what to look for. If you are really interested in which is the best performer, you can buy an HQV test DVD and run the same video tests that pro reviews do to test things like preserving resolution, proper deinterlacing, detail, moire, etc.

A lot of the flaws really are only obvious in test patterns -- which of course begs the question of how much is it worth really be worrying about this?

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i see that you guys found the code. for anyone still considering,
6ave code is AFLDEN549 -> gives $549 + free shipping
e-expo code is RECEIVERSALE -> gives $549 + shipping

i called e-expo and they will not match 6ave's price.

few more things to consider
[1] fatwallet gives 3% back at e-expo
[2] fatwallet gives 1% back at 6ave
[3] upromise gives 1% back for 6ave

cheers!
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Welcome Mark,

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1) Can the Denon pass through a 1080p signal unmolested?

Yes, absolutely.

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2) Does the Denon have assignable HDMI inputs for the video scaling? (for example, I want my blu-ray player set to "through" but I want my dvd player and HD cable box scaled to 1080p).

Yes, video processing is set by input.


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3) How is the 890 different from something like the older 3808? To me they look pretty darn similar on paper.

The 890 is a newer but "lower end" model, the 3808 is older but higher up the Denon totem pole.

The 890 has some newer "bells and whistles" like a superior video processing chip, 5 HDMI inputs...

But the 3808CI has almost twice the msrp, it weighs almost 15lbs more, it's got a better amp section, higher end preamp processing (two DSP chips instead of one, MultEQ XT instead of regular MultEQ, etc), and higher end features like networking. The downside is that you have to pay $100 to get the "upgrade feature pack" to access Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume, and the video processing is only decent -- it does fine with digital SD signals but is useless for any HD video processing...

Just depends on what type of guy you are: would you rather have something brand new with the most up-to-date features, or would you rather have something slightly older but with better overall build quality?

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i see that you guys found the code. for anyone still considering,
6ave code is AFLDEN549 -> gives $549 + free shipping
e-expo code is RECEIVERSALE -> gives $549 + shipping

i called e-expo and they will not match 6ave's price.

few more things to consider
[1] fatwallet gives 3% back at e-expo
[2] fatwallet gives 1% back at 6ave
[3] upromise gives 1% back for 6ave

cheers!

I checked it, the 6ave code works.....figures. I'm always a day and a dollar short.

If I had waited a day I could have saved an EXTRA $130. I also would have found out the slim PS3 CAN bitstream the lossless codecs and I could have gotten that instead of the Panny BD60. Oh well. I'm sure i'll be happy with my purchase.
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it happens to me with my stock purchases. the stock price goes down as soon as i buy it, and it invariably goes up after i sell it. life is cruel......
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Yes, absolutely.



Yes, video processing is set by input.




The 890 is a newer but "lower end" model, the 3808 is older but higher up the Denon totem pole.

The 890 has some newer "bells and whistles" like a superior video processing chip, 5 HDMI inputs...

But the 3808CI has almost twice the msrp, it weighs almost 15lbs more, it's got a better amp section, higher end preamp processing (two DSP chips instead of one, MultEQ XT instead of regular MultEQ, etc), and higher end features like networking. The downside is that you have to pay $100 to get the "upgrade feature pack" to access Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume, and the video processing is only decent -- it does fine with digital SD signals but is useless for any HD video processing...

Just depends on what type of guy you are: would you rather have something brand new with the most up-to-date features, or would you rather have something slightly older but with better overall build quality?


Thanks Batpig, that was extremely helpful.

I'm in Canada and the 890 is $999 and for the 990 its $1999....unfortunately it doesn't appear Denon makes something inbetween. It seems like the 3808's successor should be in that range because the 3808 was only ~$1300. Comparing the 890 and 990 I'm not sure the difference is worth $1000. Also it looks like I can get an Onkyo 876 locally for $1600...decisions, decisions

The most important things to me are good power, good video processing, and good music performance....I don't need much else like all the ipod inputs and such.

Thanks again for your help,

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Thanks Batpig, that was extremely helpful.

I'm in Canada and the 890 is $999 and for the 990 its $1999....unfortunately it doesn't appear Denon makes something inbetween. It seems like the 3808's successor should be in that range because the 3808 was only ~$1300. Comparing the 890 and 990 I'm not sure the difference is worth $1000. Also it looks like I can get an Onkyo 876 locally for $1600...decisions, decisions

The most important things to me are good power, good video processing, and good music performance....I don't need much else like all the ipod inputs and such.

Thanks again for your help,

Mark

You can still find AVR-989 at Futureshop for $880CAD (not online though, they still had some limited stock yesterday at warehouse and remaining or demo units in stores). I am sure they can give you at least $50-$70 off this price. There were reports that AVR-3808 is selling for $1100CAD somewhere but I could not find one so I ended up with AVR-989. If you really need AVR-990 (only because of video scaler as AVR-989 is superior audio-wise) look for AVR-3310CI in small AV stores, you can get it for less than $1800CAD there. $2000CAD for AVR-990 is an outrageous price although it will look better when they have their usual 20% off for home receivers sale. You can go South and pick up AVR3310CI for $1100US or AVR-4310CI for $1600US there. By the way, if you are looking for good quality video upscaler, DVDO Edge can be purchased for $500USD right now so AVR-989 + DVDO Edge is much cheaper than AVR-990 in Canada.
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I finally gave up and bought a 2310CI and it's all Batpig's fault. If there was a Batpig equivalent (HummingbirdDog?) for Marantz I might well have wound up over there. There just isn't as much information and support on that side, though, with a bit more snobbery to boot.

Here's a real technical question - when this arrives it will only be mated with a couple of older bookshelf speakers, how do I go about setting up a phantom center? Selecting speakers is going to take another couple months at this rate and I'd like to start hearing the dialog in BD and DVD piped in from the PS3.
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Thanks Batpig, that was extremely helpful.

I'm in Canada and the 890 is $999 and for the 990 its $1999....unfortunately it doesn't appear Denon makes something inbetween. It seems like the 3808's successor should be in that range because the 3808 was only ~$1300. Comparing the 890 and 990 I'm not sure the difference is worth $1000. Also it looks like I can get an Onkyo 876 locally for $1600...decisions, decisions

The most important things to me are good power, good video processing, and good music performance....I don't need much else like all the ipod inputs and such.

Thanks again for your help,

Mark

You can do much better than $1,800 CAD + tax on the 3310; I too thought about buying a 3808 but couldn't find one so I ended up going with the 3310 (the 4310 was more than I wanted to spend). In any event, at the risk of breaking a forum rule, I recently bought a 3310 for $1300+tax CDN from HD TV & Electronics in Scarborough.

Incidentally, this same location was offering me the 876 for $1,600 (I also bought an 876 from them last October - $1,650 tax included).

Now if you need power I would go with the Onkyo, it's a beast; the Denon seems to be a little bit more refined (quicker video switching, and GUI overlay for all menus). The video processing on both is good but limited in each unit in terms of implementation to the point that it causes a fair bit of frustration so I would say it's a toss up in that department. The Onkyo has MultiEQ XT versus MultiEQ on the Denon (whether it helps probably depends on how challening a room you have).

In my opinion, if power isn't a big issue go with the Denon; if you're looking to power 4 ohm or speakers that are not very sensitive go with the Onkyo (a better choice than even the 4310 if power is the most important consideration).
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I finally gave up and bought a 2310CI and it's all Batpig's fault. If there was a Batpig equivalent (HummingbirdDog?) for Marantz I might well have wound up over there. There just isn't as much information and support on that side, though, with a bit more snobbery to boot.

Here's a real technical question - when this arrives it will only be mated with a couple of older bookshelf speakers, how do I go about setting up a phantom center? Selecting speakers is going to take another couple months at this rate and I'd like to start hearing the dialog in BD and DVD piped in from the PS3.

As long as you don't go into manual setup and say you have a center channel, you'll have a phantom center. Basically, the center channel info will be devided equally between your 2 speakers. Voila! No muss, no fuss. Using auto setup, your receiver will figure out for itself that you have no center.
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Thanks for the responses guys.

I'm really leaning towards the Onkyo 876 for ~$1600 at this point. It's got lots of power, arguably the best video processing (I say arguably because I haven't seen a comparison between the new processor in the Denon vs. the Reon HQV), good DACs, and it seems to give me more for the dollar. My parents use the Onkyo 906 (essentially the same as 876) and I like it a lot as well.

Anyways, so far, thats where my heads at.

Thanks again for the help!

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That's too easy. Is there a more complicated way to do things with an increased probability of shooting myself in the foot? I'm a software engineer so I know there has to be a way to break this.
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That's too easy. Is there a more complicated way to do things with an increased probability of shooting myself in the foot? I'm a software engineer so I know there has to be a way to break this.

Just run auto setup, then go into manual setup and tell the system you have a center. Not only will you turn off all of the Audyssey features, but you will learn, as I did the other day when trying to troubleshoot my doomed effort to use my TV speakers as a "center" that pretty much everything is in the center in a typical film. It was illuminating but ultimately kind of boring to see I. Jones' lips move but only hear ambient sounds, or see people screaming on the beach during Jaws but only hear "good night now" peaceful ocean sounds.

Really, these things are complicated enough that there are probably a hundred ways to mess it up. Unfortunately, you can always just hit reset (I think) to go back to the auto calibrations and all will be well.
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Thanks for the responses guys.

I'm really leaning towards the Onkyo 876 for ~$1600 at this point. It's got lots of power, arguably the best video processing (I say arguably because I haven't seen a comparison between the new processor in the Denon vs. the Reon HQV), good DACs, and it seems to give me more for the dollar. My parents use the Onkyo 906 (essentially the same as 876) and I like it a lot as well.

Anyways, so far, thats where my heads at.

Thanks again for the help!

Mark


Good choice; a word of caution, the replacement will be released very soon and will incorporate networking as well as IIz and Audyssey DSX and it will offer 9 channels of amplification; if they hold the line on the price it wont cost much more either (I got my 876 within a week or two if its Canadian release for $1,650 tax in). Who knows, they may have even worked out the few wrinkles in the video side of things (e.g. they may have included auto aspect ratio).

Anyway, just my $.02
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Good choice; a word of caution, the replacement will be released very soon and will incorporate networking as well as IIz and Audyssey DSX and it will offer 9 channels of amplification; if they hold the line on the price it wont cost much more either (I got my 876 within a week or two if its Canadian release for $1,650 tax in). Who knows, they may have even worked out the few wrinkles in the video side of things (e.g. they may have included auto aspect ratio).

Anyway, just my $.02

That is very interesting, maybe I will wait for CEIDA. Even at $1650 though, I'm only $~200 away from Emotiva separates haha. I have a terrible habit of researching everything to death, up-selling myself numerous times, and buying above budget haha .

I wonder if I could get an 876 around $1,300 or so, then it might be more tempting. We paid $1999 for our Onkyo 906 right after release (MSRP $2499) as well, so deals are certainly available.

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I hook up my zone 2 to my front b and i get sound on the patio, but it seems the bass is lacking. Inside the fronts are off but the sub is playing. What! I want to have patio speakers working with no inside speakers if i please. I hook them to the surround back and get no audio at all. Running from HDMI Xbox 360. Have read Batpigs stuff and still cant figure it out. HELP!!

What you got BATPIG!!!

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Zone 2 is not the same thing as the "B" speakers. The B speakers are just alternate front speakers - that's why you are hearing the sub play; it's getting the bass from the B speakers just like it does from your other front speakers.

Follow the instructions in my FAQ: hook speakers to surr.back, set amp assign to "zone 2", and analog only.

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i see that you guys found the code. for anyone still considering,
6ave code is AFLDEN549 -> gives $549 + free shipping
e-expo code is RECEIVERSALE -> gives $549 + shipping

i called e-expo and they will not match 6ave's price.

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[2] fatwallet gives 1% back at 6ave
[3] upromise gives 1% back for 6ave

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Couple days ago e-expo had it for $549+shipping. Today, 6ave has it for $549 shipped. Anyone know the reason for the sale?

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Found the coupon for 6ave's deal... "AFLDEN549"

Pulled the trigger! I will be able to join these discussions soon

hey you guys getting your 2310 receivers from 6thave, i'd appreciate it if you would post your experience with this order from them -- ordering, receiving, customerservice impression, condition on arrival -- if you would. it would be a big help. anybody else order denon receivers from them?

thanks

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hey you guys getting your 2310 receivers from 6thave, i'd appreciate it if you would post your experience with this order from them -- ordering, receiving, customerservice impression, condition on arrival -- if you would. it would be a big help. anybody else order denon receivers from them?

thanks

http://www.resellerratings.com/store...ronics_6th_Ave

That may help.
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Little late to the game but seriously considering a denon avr to match some of my components. i have been an onkyo guy all along and have two 906s and an 876. I have been disappointed in onkyo dropping the analogue inputs on all their receivers save the top three units and their comical attempt to re-badge a bd player.

Needless to say the strong sale and abt chip have caught my eye on the 2310. From a competitive perspective is this model comparable to the onky tx sr707 or the 607? the 707 has thx select2 certification, loudness plus, extra hdmi input, and some nice burr browns. any onkyo owners have an opportunity to peg the 2310 in their lineup?

having read numerous threads involving PLIIz, I get a bit of mixed response on its efficacy and accuracy. Do folks feel it adds a real impact to movie experience on the 2310?
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hey you guys getting your 2310 receivers from 6thave, i'd appreciate it if you would post your experience with this order from them -- ordering, receiving, customerservice impression, condition on arrival -- if you would. it would be a big help. anybody else order denon receivers from them?

thanks

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having read numerous threads involving PLIIz, I get a bit of mixed response on its efficacy and accuracy. Do folks feel it adds a real impact to movie experience on the 2310?

Few posters have implemented the extra "height" speakers so you may not get an immediate response. The answer is pretty much what you've read ... some like it .. some say it doesn't add much. Really depends on the movie content and the particular action sequences. If you haven't already, do a Search This Thread on "IIz" or "height" in the other Denon 2010 model threads (1910, 3310, 4310) and you might get some more feedback on the subject.

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Thank you guys esp. Batpig!

Been reading this thread for a few weeks now and finally pulled the trigger. I picked up a 2310ci a few days ago and have to say that it exceeds my expectations, it replaced a older Sony STR-D790. Used Batpig's setup guide and things went smoothly.

In the next few weeks I'll have to make a decision on whether to buy focal 726 or Monitor RS 8 speakers. Decisions decisions.

I'm loving my new hobby or is it a disease?

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I had several issues with Electronics Expo associated with their honesty on ship dates. They also said they'd give me my shipping charge back for issues I had with an exchange, and did not. Good price, but not worth what I went through.
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Zone 2 is not the same thing as the "B" speakers. The B speakers are just alternate front speakers - that's why you are hearing the sub play; it's getting the bass from the B speakers just like it does from your other front speakers.

Follow the instructions in my FAQ: hook speakers to surr.back, set amp assign to "zone 2", and analog only.

So it has to be analog only? I cant play it through hdmi from my xbox?
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Correct. Any source you want to play over Zone 2 will also have to have an analog (RCA) connection to the AVR.

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http://www.resellerratings.com/store...ronics_6th_Ave

That may help.

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6Ave is a Denon Authorized on-line vendor and has gotten excellent reviews, not too mention a large share of orders from posters in these Denon threads over the past year.

yes thank you. i'm particularly interested in current feedback especially from those ordering the 2310 with the current apparently exceptional 300off coupon.

do either of you have personal experience ordering from 6thave ?

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I don't have personal experience with 6Ave; however, after being on these threads for almost 2 years, I can speak for the dozens of folks that have ordered from 6Ave with and without the AFLAUD specials and have posted their experiences with no issues re: their purchases. As Tweak pointed out, however, Elec Expo has been undercutting 6Ave prices although is often late in shipping which has also been pointed out by other posters as well. If your concern is ordering something on the internet, or with 6Ave honoring any specials (which come and go quickly btw), there's no need to fear from 6Ave. I would have no problem making a future purchase from 6Ave and would highly recommend them.

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