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Since there is some info coming out on this Receiver I wanted to start a thread specifically for it.




On the Denon website-

http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/5118.asp

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http://usa.denon.com/AVR-4810CI-OM-E_007.pdf

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AVR-4810 October $3,000

Next Generation 9.3 A/V Multi-Source/Zone, Network Streaming Receiver • All new DDSC-HD • Dolby TrueHD and DD+ • dts-HD Master Audio Audio decoding • Dolby PLIIz matrix decoding for Front Height effects • Audyssey DSX (Dynamic Surround Expansion) decoding for Front Height and/or Front Width channels • HDCD decoding • Features latest 32-bit Floating Analog Devices SHARC Processors • 9 channels equal power amplifier section, Multi Mono-block construction • 140 watts per channel (8 ohms, 20 – 20kHz, <0.05% THD) • Burr-Brown 24-bit, 192-kHz, PCM-1791A DACs on all 8 channels configured in differential mode • 3 Source/Zone capable, including 2 with video • 1080p Compatible HDMI 1.3a Deep Color (6/2) Repeaters, Dual outputs • Front Panel HDMI input • Fully assignable channels for biamping, Surround channels or Multi-Zone applications • Assignable +12v, 150mA triggers (2) • Assignable Ultra-Wideband (100 MHz) Component inputs (3) • Analog/HDMI Video to HDMI Scaling (1080p) featuring Anchor Bay Technologies processing (ABT-2010), with GUI overlay • Vertical Stretch for CinemaScope Screens • Digital to Analog conversion for Multi-Zone connection flexibility • Rear panel RS-232C and Ethernet ports for Crestron/AMX control communication • Ethernet port with built-in Multi-Media Command and Control functionality • Web Browser Control • Windows Vista Certified, and Windows 7 compatible • Dedicated iPod™ control port (for use with optional ASD-11R Dock, with on-screen display and remote control • DLNA Certified • Remote Access and Firmware Update/Upgrade via Internet • Internet Radio, Rhapsody and Napster • Audyssey MultEQ XT and Audyssey Pro Installer Ready, calibration microphone included • 4 Assignable digital inputs • Denon Link 4th, featuring Clock Control with HDMI • Front Panel USB Port • iPod Digital Direct USB Connectivity (Audio only) • AM/FM HD Radio tuner with auto preset FM memory (56 stations) • XM and Sirius Radio Ready • New GUI for Main Zone, with independent On Screen Display for Zone 2 • New EL learning/pre-programmed Remote Control • Detachable Power Cord • Serial IR ports • Second, Multi-Zone Remote included • Sleep Timer

- Like the new Look GUI to.

Shaping up to be another great Denon Receiver.

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Nice find........
Awesome looking receiver!
Could be the ONE..... for me

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Yeah I think this will be replacing my AVR-4308 that I use as a Preamp.
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Why didnt you just pull the real specs straight from Denon's website. Its been up for a while now. Funny enough, the Denon website doesnt mention HDMI 1.4 and lists HDMI 1.3a though.

They added web-setup, 2 HDMI in, a dedicated ipod-port, and a Audyssey DSX and prologic IIz mode if you actually want to use extra speakers in the ceiling. Neither which i need. They switched from Faroudja to Anchor Bay for their deinterlacer and added a digital input jitter correction.

But they also took away WLAN, DAB-radio, an optical input and also lost some weight on the thing.

I'm glad the 4310 is out since it put the price of the 4308A down with 25%. And after looking over the differences on Denons website, it wasnt that much to think about. Especially since i needed something new now.
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Why didnt you just pull the real specs straight from Denon's website. Its been up for a while now.

I don't see the AVR-4810 listed on the Denon US website. Got a link?
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Looking at your post again I think you may have gotten confused as this thead is about the AVR-4810 and not the AVR-4310.
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Looking at your post again I think you may have gotten confused as this thead is about the AVR-4810 and not the AVR-4310.

DOH!!! My bad... and yes, thats totally what i did.


Although I could argue that the pricepoint and some of the features makes it the defacto replacement for the 4308, and since the pricepoint and placement on the Denon Website places the 4310 below the 4308 and your information the 4810 at MSRP $2999 that is plausible. But that is almost besides the point.


But another thing just hit me when you pointed out its yet another amp to come... The 4308A is rather close to the 4310CI from what i stated above... and there is differences to the 4810CI, but it makes it rather interresting of the differences between the 4810 and the 4310 is really worth an extra $1000.
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Spoke to Denon rep a little while ago about the 4810. I asked if, since they are upgrading the HDMI to version 1.4, will they also upgrade the USB to version 3.0. He told me no. I realize that the current specs are preliminary and tenative at best, so I will hold out hope that the USB will be version 3.0 so that I can future-proof my(hopefully) next receiver prchase.
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Does it make sense to upgrade from the 4308ci to the 4810 if you already own the 4308ci? What does the 4810 do better?
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Does it make sense to upgrade from the 4308ci to the 4810 if you already own the 4308ci? What does the 4810 do better?

Scaling using ABT VRS - one of best available see OPPO blu-ray player for ABT advantages

Audyssey DSX with capability of have both wide and height speakers.

these two features alone make it worth the admission price IMO. It will be an upgrade from the 3808ci for me.....
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No THX?
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No THX?

I agree. Denon's continued omission of THX certification and modes is a mystery in this price range.
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Is that the 4806 succesor? I don't think so ... we must wait for the picture of the inside.
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Des anyone know if this is available in China yet? If I were to purchase there, what is the fee structure to bring it back to USA, if even possible and is there a way to get warranty service stateside?

Thank you very much

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Has anyone heard yet what the quality or what kind of amps will be in the 4810 reciever? Thanks.
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Has anyone heard yet what the quality or what kind of amps will be in the 4810 reciever? Thanks.

What I do know ( from 2009 AVR spec sheet ) is the 4810 has 9 seperate amps, and the same 24 - bit / 192 - KHz DAC's as the 4310.

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Spoke to Denon rep a little while ago about the 4810. I asked if, since they are upgrading the HDMI to version 1.4, will they also upgrade the USB to version 3.0. He told me no. I realize that the current specs are preliminary and tenative at best, so I will hold out hope that the USB will be version 3.0 so that I can future-proof my(hopefully) next receiver prchase.

Don't bother - at 480mbps, usb 2.0 is fast enough to handle way more than 5x the absolutely highest possible audio bitrates. Maximum bitrate for bluray, including the video, is 36mbps. Without some, as yet uninvented, use for all that bandwidth, merely having usb 3.0 on a receiver won't do a thing for you.

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Only somewhat related but...

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/07/27...t-month-42-fo/

These are the first hdmi 1.4 cables ive seen although only in Japan right now.
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How does the avr-4810ci support hdmi 1.4 using the ABT-2010?

The ABT-2010 only handles up to 1080p.
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How does the avr-4810ci support hdmi 1.4 using the ABT-2010?

The ABT-2010 only handles up to 1080p.

It could still pass it. Hopefully the 4810 will pass any 1080p signal through it without touching, so anything larger that 1080p should pass right through also.

My guess is that to get certified to handle 1.4 doesn't take much more than 1.3 and they are just doing this to make the 4810 look future proof. Of course until there's some more 1.4 devices out there to test against it'll be hard to determine what 1.4 compatibility actually means.

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Anyone know if the 4810 has enough horsepower to apply Audyssey to Dolby TrueHD and dts-HD Master Audio? This is lacking in today's processors / receivers.

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Anyone know if the 4810 has enough horsepower to apply Audyssey to Dolby TrueHD and dts-HD Master Audio? This is lacking in today's processors / receivers.

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Are you saying that none of today's AMP can apply audyssey to DTS-HD MA? Or just denons? This is disturbing.
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Are you saying that none of today's AMP can apply audyssey to DTS-HD MA? Or just denons? This is disturbing.

Most can. A few cannot.

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What Audyssey functions can't be applied? I would hope that MultEQ is applied on them, otherwise I would think most people would rather use the lossless formats. How can you tell which receivers have these limitations?

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It could still pass it. Hopefully the 4810 will pass any 1080p signal through it without touching, so anything larger that 1080p should pass right through also.

My guess is that to get certified to handle 1.4 doesn't take much more than 1.3 and they are just doing this to make the 4810 look future proof. Of course until there's some more 1.4 devices out there to test against it'll be hard to determine what 1.4 compatibility actually means.

One of the main implementations of 1.4 that I heard on a podcast from two of the main guys at HDMI, is that 1.4 is internet capable component, and if one component in a chain of 1.4 devices has access to the internet than all of them do, through the HDMI. That is one of the current main selling points that can actually be realized vs. 4k rez.
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This is from home theater review. In reference to hdmi 1.4 info:

Now your even your home network isn't safe from HDMI's unreliable, copy protected connection nightmares. Silicon Image, Inc. today introduced the SiI9387 port processor and the SiI9334 transmitter, the first semiconductor products to incorporate the latest HDMI 1.4 specification features for digital television (DTV) and home theatre applications. The new devices offer a richer, more interactive HDMI entertainment experience by enabling new connectivity applications via Ethernet, such as Silicon Image's LiquidHD technology. The SiI9387 port processor and the SiI9334 transmitter support the following HDMI 1.4 specification features: HDMI Ethernet Channel
Devices using these chips will be able to transmit and receive full duplex data at 100Mb/sec over an HDMI cable. Audio Return Channel
Drives a high quality S/PDIF signal through a single HDMI cable, simplifying connectivity in the home theatre.
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any updates
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any updates


Not much. There is this site in the UK who say that details are still very sketchy and the cost is £2,799.95 (top whack £), and I found this one in the US quoting $2,999.00 (top whack US$, I assume).

I assume also that the (£1899.00) BDP-4010UD would be released at the same time – seems a killer combination IMO.
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