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post #151 of 5502 Old 08-17-2009, 09:33 PM - Thread Starter
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joerod, You previously tried out the Onkyo 607 and said it sounded awesome and had plenty of power for your theater. From your theater pics, it looks like all your speakers are bookshelf size and in-wall, with no front floorstanders.

So how does the 807 compare to it's little brother 607? I know the analog upscaling sucks on the 607, but what about sound quality comparison? Is sound quality similar?

Sound Q-wise they are somewhat close. The bigger difference is the power of course. The 807 handles everything much easier. Overall though the 607 puts up a good fight. It really isn't fair to compare. The 607 fits people on a tighter budget and casual movie watchers perfectly.

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Have anyone tried the ethernet input? It would be nice to hear about this feature since it is kinda new on the 80x series. Sound quality, user friendly and so on. Or is there perhaps another thread about this..?

Can you for instance get sound from ethernet and video from say an HDMI input at the same time?

A more general question would be, can you get video from one HDMI and sound from another source (say another HDMI, ethernet or digital coaxial) at all?

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Does the 807 also output is't setup/osd info to the s-video and composite monitoring outputs, or only to the hdmi?
I want to use a projector on the hdmi, but i want to display setup info to composite or s-video only.
Don't want to turn the projector on every time if i only want to change a setting in the menu for audio.

Are there any pictures of the inside?

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Interesting to see if Onkyo finally corrected the notorious blue dots issue that plagued the 806 and 706. From what I have read, some of the most recently manufactured 806s were still experiencing the problem.
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Yes, no Blue Dots here...

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I just set a 807 up in my family room and pulled out my new Denon 2310.. Holy smokes.. This thing is gorgeous.. Its a freaking tank, its literally 2x the size of the Denon and it sounds superb and functions quite nicely.. I set 1080p output for everything and have it scaling all of my hdmi's to 1080p and it looks great.. The scaler is very very different from the denon.. It seems very film like.. The Denon maybe was more hmm artificial or something I cant put my finger on it.. The amps sound great on my ERA's and its very warm and Neutral like my Theta Gear.. So far very impressed..

The Onscreen Volume and mode info etc it awesome.. The 2310 had it as well but it had horrible Black boxes with the volume inside them and it was very annoying to see those boxes when changing volume, the Onkyo has a very nice white volume at the bottom thats perfect and the on screen modes are nice as well..

You can change 1080p to pass through and other modes while watching the picture as to be able to compare as well.

So far I am a big fan and very excited about this piece.. Cant imagine how cool the 3007 and 5007 are going to be .. Onkyo is back big time.

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Correct, running two 4 ohm speakers with one channel (parallel config) would double the resistance/halve the load to 2 ohms. If you run the same two speakers in a series, the ohms would increase to 8ohms. The latter is obviously the best solution if you're trying to distribute audio throughout numerous speakers and not cook your amp.

Running two 4 ohm speakers with one channel (parallel config) would HALVE the IMPEDANCE/DOUBLE the load to 2 ohms.

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Another comparison note... The onkyo 807 seems to update via the Ethernet much easier than the denon 4310 did. I have received a couple PMs from newer owners who are struggling getting it to complete it's update. The 807 did it in 20 minutes without so much as a hint of struggle... Denon needs to check in on this.

I just got my 807 on Monday, 8-17-09. It has Firmware Version 1051-0702-0010-3102. I tried an Internet update via receiver, and the message on the receiver was "No Update". I don't see any updates on the Onkyo site. Do you think mine is already updated? Thanks.
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I just got my 807 on Monday, 8-17-09. It has Firmware Version 1051-0702-0010-3102. I tried an Internet update via receiver, and the message on the receiver was "No Update". I don't see any updates on the Onkyo site. Do you think mine is already updated? Thanks.

I will check mine and see what it says but cances are mine needed it. You are probably up to date. It will tell you if there is a new firmware.

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In speaker settings in the menu, you have a selectable choice of 4 ohm or 6 ohm and greater speakers. I've seen posts here that talk about 4 ohm speakers and that the amp will not work or shutdown when using them. Does this switch do anything to help? What does it do? Can you still not reliably use 4 ohm speakers unless you keep the volume lower? Thanks.
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How closely do they have to match your 5.1 speaker system. Right now all 5 of my speakers match (same model of Energy). After using the Audyssey MultiEQ will it still matter? And the only place I can put them would be in the top corners of the room, which would make them outside (0 and 11 feet from side wall) the span of the main L and R speakers (3 and 8 feet from wall). Would that matter? Thanks.
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I contacted Onkyo tech support and they sent me the updated control documentation for Onkyo TX-NR807 rs232, etc. It is attached.

 

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Just another quick update... I have been using Audyssey DSX wih even better results lately. For more details check out my report...

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I'd love to hear how the Sirius Internet Radio streaming feature works. The manual isn't that clear...
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How closely do they have to match your 5.1 speaker system. Right now all 5 of my speakers match (same model of Energy). After using the Audyssey MultiEQ will it still matter? And the only place I can put them would be in the top corners of the room, which would make them outside (0 and 11 feet from side wall) the span of the main L and R speakers (3 and 8 feet from wall). Would that matter? Thanks.

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The recommendation for the type of Wide and Height speakers to use is no different for DSX than it is for 5.1 surround: the more similar the speakers the better the soundstage. The reason for this is that matching the timbre that we receive at each ear greatly improves our perception of stereo imaging. Of course, there are practical limitations on the speaker size particularly when adding more speakers in a home listening room. So, a good place to start would be with speakers from the same "family" as your front three. Running MultEQ first will also help bring the response of each speaker closer to the others (and the desired target).

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The Heights should be placed as high as possible in the room, while the Wides should ideally have their tweeters at ear height just like the three front speakers.


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I think I'm starting to retreat on Polk's TSi series speakers and now have my eyes on the previous model version Monitor series speakers from Polk.

However, since the receiver is rated at 135 watts per channel (RMS?), and the dual woofer Monitor 40s are rated at 125 Watts, would I be pushing these speakers too hard with the NR807? Would I be able to get away with it if I don't go nuts with the volume knob?

I was also looking at the Monitor 30 for surrounds if I want to save even more money, but they're only rated at 100 watts.

Any obviously apparent differences in sound quality compared to the newer TSi series speakers?
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I think I'm starting to retreat on Polk's TSi series speakers and now have my eyes on the previous model version Monitor series speakers from Polk.

However, since the receiver is rated at 135 watts per channel (RMS?), and the dual woofer Monitor 40s are rated at 125 Watts, would I be pushing these speakers too hard with the NR807? Would I be able to get away with it if I don't go nuts with the volume knob?

I was also looking at the Monitor 30 for surrounds if I want to save even more money, but they're only rated at 100 watts.

Any obviously apparent differences in sound quality compared to the newer TSi series speakers?

An underpowered amplifier driven too hard (into clipping) will do far more damage to your speakers. You won't have any problems with the Polks and the Onkyo AVRs.

That said, seems your speaker/AVR budget ratio may be a bit skewed. If you're looking at spending around $500 on speakers (no sub mentioned), you probably don't need to be spending $900 on an AVR... the opposite would be more in-line with getting the most out of your budget. Monitor 40s, 30s, CS2, and a competent subwoofer (look away from Polk) would probably run you around $600ish, so an AVR like a refurb SR607 would probably be more appropriate... or if your total budget is around $1500 you might want to consider sticking in the $300 - $500 range with an AVR and upping your speaker/subwoofer budget into the $1000 - $1200 range.

All of those numbers are assuming you're buying a full 5.1 setup and AVR at the same time... I have no idea if you already have a subwoofer on hand you're planning on using, but the first scenario was assuming something like a PA-120 in the $250 range.

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I agree with Stephen, put your money into speakers; no matter how great your AVR is the speakers play a more significant role in the overall sounds. Also, a good set of speakers will last a very long time; an AVR will probably be obsolete in terms of technology in about a 5-year timeframe.
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Yeah, I guess you're right. But man does the NR807 look good feature wise.

I also worried about the amp sections in the 707 and the 607. I'm assuming that the NR807's amp section would power the same speaker with less effort than the 607 707 models. (Lower THD, etc)

There are two subwoofers I'm looking at right now, can't decide: The HSU STF-1 or the Velodyne DLS-3500R.
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No one has touched on the network connection. Does anyone know if the Ethernet connector is 10/100/1000 and does it have the (codec) capability of playing streamed music files from a media server?
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I just unboxed my new 807, and I will put together some pictures of the how the networking stuff works. What exactly do you want me to try? Give me exact detailed steps to follow. I am going to just test the Pandora network streaming, that is one of the main reasons I bought this puppy. I love pandora.
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I just unboxed my new 807, and I will put together some pictures of the how the networking stuff works. What exactly do you want me to try? Give me exact detailed steps to follow. I am going to just test the Pandora network streaming, that is one of the main reasons I bought this puppy. I love pandora.

thomasamiller, If you're going to be doing some pictures then I wouldn't mind seeing a few shots of what the TX-NR807's OSD looks like, volume, inputs etc. There really isn't a lot out there on the 807 right now and I'd say a few of us would enjoy some good pics.

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I just unboxed my new 807, and I will put together some pictures of the how the networking stuff works. What exactly do you want me to try? Give me exact detailed steps to follow. I am going to just test the Pandora network streaming, that is one of the main reasons I bought this puppy. I love pandora.

Lucky you! I'm curious if it has a gigabit capable port. I have a Media server running Windows Home Server with a few terabytes of music files. I'm curious to see if i can stream them to the 807 for my listening pleasure.
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Lucky you! I'm curious if it has a gigabit capable port. I have a Media server running Windows Home Server with a few terabytes of music files. I'm curious to see if i can stream them to the 807 for my listening pleasure.

Same here.
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Lucky you! I'm curious if it has a gigabit capable port. I have a Media server running Windows Home Server with a few terabytes of music files. I'm curious to see if i can stream them to the 807 for my listening pleasure.

do you really need 60mb/s to play your mp3?
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Where are you guys getting your units from?

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I just set a 807 up in my family room and pulled out my new Denon 2310.. Holy smokes.. This thing is gorgeous.. Its a freaking tank, its literally 2x the size of the Denon and it sounds superb and functions quite nicely.. I set 1080p output for everything and have it scaling all of my hdmi's to 1080p and it looks great.. The scaler is very very different from the denon.. It seems very film like.. The Denon maybe was more hmm artificial or something I cant put my finger on it.. The amps sound great on my ERA's and its very warm and Neutral like my Theta Gear.. So far very impressed..

The Onscreen Volume and mode info etc it awesome.. The 2310 had it as well but it had horrible Black boxes with the volume inside them and it was very annoying to see those boxes when changing volume, the Onkyo has a very nice white volume at the bottom thats perfect and the on screen modes are nice as well..

You can change 1080p to pass through and other modes while watching the picture as to be able to compare as well.

So far I am a big fan and very excited about this piece.. Cant imagine how cool the 3007 and 5007 are going to be .. Onkyo is back big time.

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Craig,

How would you compare the AQ between the 2310 and the 807? The prices you can get the 2310 for ($549) caught my eye, but it seems more similar to the 607 or 707 than the 807.
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It is 5 AM, I have been up all night doing working on whole house audio system (side project to the new 807). I have about 80 monoprice speakers in boxes so I figured I would bust open some of the boxes and hook them up to the new 807 to see what is going on with the crazy way Onkyo designed the speaker bindings. At this point, from everything I have read, I do not see why in the world Onkyo designed it like this unless they planned for a future firmware upgrade that will give some new capabilities. Either that, or the way they mixed the Zone2 and Zone3 with surround sound posts is the more likely culprit.

Anyways, my wife already woke up once and screamed when I was setting the speaker levels so my testing is done for the night. When she wakes up I am going to re-run Audyssey so it can detect all the speakers. Then i will test some more. The OSD menu on this thing is very complex, when combined with the nightmarish remote, I think Steve Jobs would throw the whole 807 directly in the dust bin. The remote control is a total nightmare, I hate it very much.

joerod, I am not sure how you got a firmware update, mine says "no update" when it tries to phone home and check the version.

When the OSD is brought up, it completely renegotiates the resolution on the TV, and causes massive scrambly picture for about 10 seconds. Onkyo should have figured out a way to simply overlay the OSD. I have not been able to resolve this even by changing it from1080i to passthrough.
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I now have all 11 speakers hooked up, I am awaiting testing tasks. Be detailed!
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