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@ the start of play for the digital audio stream..
Numbers will appear briefly on the front display such as..
3/2/2/1 for 7.1
3/2/1 for 5.1
2/0 for Stereo
1/0 for Mono

Note these are for the native stream channel encoding..

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Perfect, that will work. I haven't played with it long enough to notice that. Loving the extra power over the avr254 so far.
(that's probably in the manual, huh... )
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Whoopi! I got the 3600 set up today! I got it right here with a Denon 3x price and an Onkyo of about equall value. For sound/music the HK puts the others to shame, imo, especially the high dollar Denon. The HK is slightly clunky (just changing sources) but the sound......sweet.


The Dolby Volume on low is very nice also when listening at lower levels. It works about like Dynamic EQ, maybe better, less volume in my surrounds. D EQ put too much volume in rears for my taste.


I could keep either one in this room as the price is not the issue, but the HK is gonna stay.
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I love my AVR 3600...just no 4K support for the future...trying to figure out what to do

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As I just bought an Apple TV to stream movies (instead of the MacBook) I can now get DD 5.1 sound from the stream.
Netflix says its supporting DD Plus (7.1)....I have 6.1 (DD-EX). But I only get DD 5.1

According to the HK AVR 3600 manual, the DD-EX is an expansion of Dolby Digital 5.1 that adds a surround back channel which may be played through one or two surround back speakers. May be manually selected when a non-EX Dolby Digital stream is detected.

Except I can not find where it tells you how to manually turn on DD-EX. When I go into 'surround mode' that option is not there.

Anyone know how.

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As I just bought an Apple TV to stream movies (instead of the MacBook) I can now get DD 5.1 sound from the stream.
Netflix says its supporting DD Plus (7.1)....I have 6.1 (DD-EX). But I only get DD 5.1

According to the HK AVR 3600 manual, the DD-EX is an expansion of Dolby Digital 5.1 that adds a surround back channel which may be played through one or two surround back speakers. May be manually selected when a non-EX Dolby Digital stream is detected.

Except I can not find where it tells you how to manually turn on DD-EX. When I go into 'surround mode' that option is not there.

Anyone know how.

If it's like my 3700, go into avr, manual speaker set up, and set assigned amp to "Surround Back" Then you should be able to select. Quote me if it is not an option

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If it's like my 3700, go into avr, manual speaker set up, and set assigned amp to "Surround Back" Then you should be able to select. Quote me if it is not an option
With the zone 2 off those channels are the BS.
I do get sound when I'm using L7, dplii2, dts neo 6.
Its about the DD stream's flag being set manually.

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With the zone 2 off those channels are the BS.
I do get sound when I'm using L7, dplii2, dts neo 6.
Its about the DD stream's flag being set manually.

Not sure what you mean by the last statement, could you expand, and maybe I can help


Are you talking when watching Blu-ray or Television or both? How is your Blu-ray and Cable ran to your AVR? HDMI or Optical?


I use my assigned amp for front heights, and listen in Dolby PLIIz, with Front height level on high, and really enjoy the spread front sound stage.


I have a 2600 in my garage, but it is set up for two channel with no monitor so I can't check to see how to compare it to your 3600 options or I would. I assume the 3700 isn't too different

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Not sure what you mean by the last statement, could you expand, and maybe I can help


Are you talking when watching Blu-ray or Television or both? How is your Blu-ray and Cable ran to your AVR? HDMI or Optical?


I use my assigned amp for front heights, and listen in Dolby PLIIz, with Front height level on high, and really enjoy the spread front sound stage.


I have a 2600 in my garage, but it is set up for two channel with no monitor so I can't check to see how to compare it to your 3600 options or I would. I assume the 3700 isn't too different

As I mentioned, streaming from Netflix, through Apple TV, on Netflix screen it shows DD icon. As opposed to Netflix via the MacBook, stereo only.

Now it totally depends on the download speed.
For 1080P/DD Plus (7.1) requires stable 3Mbps or higher, as per Netflix site.
Not sure what it was last night, when the AVR showed DD 3/2.1 EX-off.
(At the time only 1 BS connected)
But yesterday morning I had 3.39 Mbps.

This morning I decided to temporarily connect the other BS and re-ran autoEQ. So now the Apple/AVR sees 7.1

Right now the Mac is showing the DL speed that is anything but stable, while the AVR is only showing DD, when its actually streaming.

I was hoping to see the AVR showing DD Plus 3/4.1 EX-on.
But not enough DL speed right now.

OK, once again from the 3600 manual:

The DD-EX is an expansion of Dolby Digital 5.1 that adds a surround back channel which may be played through one or two surround back speakers. May be manually selected when a non-EX Dolby Digital stream is detected.

Pressing the surround mode button last night did not provide an option of picking DD EX-on, only DPLllx.

So how is one to manually turn on DD EX-on?

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As I mentioned, streaming from Netflix, through Apple TV, on Netflix screen it shows DD icon. As opposed to Netflix via the MacBook, stereo only.

Now it totally depends on the download speed.
For 1080P/DD Plus (7.1) requires stable 3Mbps or higher, as per Netflix site.
Not sure what it was last night, when the AVR showed DD 3/2.1 EX-off.
(At the time only 1 BS connected)
But yesterday morning I had 3.39 Mbps.

This morning I decided to temporarily connect the other BS and re-ran autoEQ. So now the Apple/AVR sees 7.1

Right now the Mac is showing the DL speed that is anything but stable, while the AVR is only showing DD, when its actually streaming.

I was hoping to see the AVR showing DD Plus 3/4.1 EX-on.
But not enough DL speed right now.

OK, once again from the 3600 manual:

The DD-EX is an expansion of Dolby Digital 5.1 that adds a surround back channel which may be played through one or two surround back speakers. May be manually selected when a non-EX Dolby Digital stream is detected.

Pressing the surround mode button last night did not provide an option of picking DD EX-on, only DPLllx.

So how is one to manually turn on DD EX-on?

You are over my head as I don't stream and I don't have apple tv. Wish I could lend a hand. Do you have the assigned amp - menu, speaker set up, manual, assigned amp rear? Then go to audio effects or surround modes and see what options you have. Maybe the 3700 and the 3600 are a little different in that way.

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You are over my head as I don't stream and I don't have apple tv. Wish I could lend a hand. Do you have the assigned amp - menu, speaker set up, manual, assigned amp rear? Then go to audio effects or surround modes and see what options you have. Maybe the 3700 and the 3600 are a little different in that way.
The rear channels are always set "on" for surround.
That is not the problem.
From what I've read elsewhere, DD Plus uses a lower bitstream than DD. And being I am using Apple TV, it requires the higher bitstream, outputting DD. Although, it sometimes shows DD 3/2.1 EX-off.

It seems strange that the AVR manual claims DD 3/2.1 EX can be manually turned on, even w/o an EX stream. But then does NOT tell you how to do it.
Pressing the audio mode button, the DD EX is never an option.

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3600 mic

Does anyone know about the quality of the mic that comes with the 3600? FR, ± 1dB?

Thinking of using it for Dirac setup. But only if its of a high enough quality.

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Does anyone know about the quality of the mic that comes with the 3600? FR, ± 1dB?

Thinking of using it for Dirac setup. But only if its of a high enough quality.

Factory limit specs are 25Hz to 18kHz, +,- 2dB.

Just my $0.02...
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Factory limit specs are 25Hz to 18kHz, +,- 2dB.

Just my $0.02...
Thanks.

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Factory limit specs are 25Hz to 18kHz, +,- 2dB.

Just my $0.02...
Is there a known calibration file for that mic?
Dirac will need it.

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Is there a known calibration file for that mic?
Dirac will need it.
Not that I know about..
We designed and sourced the EQ microphone for HK back in 2005, so we have the original product design specs. To date HK has purchased > 2 million of these microphones.

Just my $0.02...
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Not that I know about..
We designed and sourced the EQ microphone for HK back in 2005, so we have the original product design specs. To date HK has purchased > 2 million of these microphones.

Just my $0.02...
Guess the Dirac generic mic file will have to do.

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Not that I know about..
We designed and sourced the EQ microphone for HK back in 2005, so we have the original product design specs. To date HK has purchased > 2 million of these microphones.

Just my $0.02...

MCode are all the mics the same? Interchangeable? I have 4 from various AVR's

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MCode are all the mics the same? Interchangeable? I have 4 from various AVR's
HK used the same electrical acoustic EQ microphone element/housing, but they used (2) different plugs. 1 was a 0.25" phone plug and 1 was a 3.5 m/m plug...

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HK used the same electrical acoustic EQ microphone element/housing, but they used (2) different plugs. 1 was a 0.25" phone plug and 1 was a 3.5 m/m plug...

Just my $0.02...
In the case of the 3600 mic, it has both. The 1/4" being a removable adapter, exposing the 3.5mm.

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In the case of the 3600 mic, it has both. The 1/4" being a removable adapter, exposing the 3.5mm.
I didn't know if the mic itself changed from say my 354 to my 3700, they kept the same mic for ten years I guess

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In the case of the 3600 mic, it has both. The 1/4" being a removable adapter, exposing the 3.5mm.

The same EQ mike was used by HK and also by JBL and Lexicon, so various connectors and/or adapters may have been used depending upon model. It had excellent specs..

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