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Sounds like your review may not be as glowing...

It is unlikely that any review I have written or will write about any product will be as glowing. That said, your judgment is premature and based on shaky inference.

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It is unlikely that any review I have written or will write about any product will be as glowing. That said, your judgment is premature and based on shaky inference.

So it is unlikely, but I'm premature to say it?
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It is unlikely that any review I have written or will write about any product will be as glowing. That said, your judgment is premature and based on shaky inference.

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So it is unlikely, but I'm premature to say it?

I was trying to give you the proper context so that you will appreciate the review. Until then, all you have are inferences.

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Honestly it reads to me like Kal was attempting a little bit of humor in his post. Still trying to keep the content of his review a mystery!

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So to infer anything about the review is infernal and should be shunned...or at least that is what I infer from the conversation.

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~ what's the problem here? seriously?

I offer my impressions, one user's initial datapoint. I bend over backwards to stress that I'm not an expert, outline the lmitations of my room, limitations of other supporting equipment, and even limitations of my choosen "reference" material.

So - look at my track record the best you can, note that I only have a handful of posts, and take what you can from my posts.

Anyone who takes more from it is foolish. And so is anyone who would misunderstands what the central purpose of a forum is.

so there!
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~ what's the problem here? seriously?

I offer my impressions, one user's initial datapoint. I bend over backwards to stress that I'm not an expert, outline the lmitations of my room, limitations of other supporting equipment, and even limitations of my choosen "reference" material.

So - look at my track record the best you can, note that I only have a handful of posts, and take what you can from my posts.

Anyone who takes more from it is foolish. And so is anyone who would misunderstands what the central purpose of a forum is.

so there!

I do not think anyone is criticizing you or diminishing you. My question was asked honestly and you answered clearly. The bickering started after.

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Honestly it reads to me like Kal was attempting a little bit of humor in his post. Still trying to keep the content of his review a mystery!

Yup.

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I was trying to give you the proper context so that you will appreciate the review. Until then, all you have are inferences.

All my posts on this topic were intended to be funny, thus the "Smiles". Sorry for any confusion. I really wasn't intending anything else.
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"All my posts on this topic were intended to be funny, thus the "Smiles"."

On your last post that doesn't look like a smiley to me, more like a "gimmeabreakey".

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So it is unlikely, but I'm premature to say it?


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All my posts on this topic were intended to be funny, thus the "Smiles". Sorry for any confusion. I really wasn't intending anything else.

And taken that way.........................mostly.

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And taken that way.........................mostly.

Fair enough. I look forward to your review.
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anyone know how hot forum posters get when run at full volume?

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"All my posts on this topic were intended to be funny, thus the "Smiles"."

On your last post that doesn't look like a smiley to me, more like a "gimmeabreakey".

The last smiley was directed at my comments, not someone else's.
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The last smiley was directed at my comments, not someone else's.

Time for a set of self-deprecating emoticons

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Wait! Now Who's on first again!?

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R-972 Firmware.

Q:How does one find out what firmware their reciever has installed?
A:With the unit in the standby mode press "memo/enter" and "display" buttons simultaneously.
Rotate the left hand knob to read all of the firmware versions.

unit shipped from factory Feb, 1st, 2010
SYS Micron : 1.34 12/14/09
XM Part, ver. 3.16
DSP Part, 10/01/25
DSP Flash 090318/991119
HDMI Part Ver. 1.07
DVP Part Ver. 09/08/19

( I thought it would be useful to some to see what I think is the latest and greatest)
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scot911:

With the unit in the standby mode press "memo/enter" and "display" buttons simultaneously. Rotate the left hand knob to read all of the firmware versions. For the main micom, 1.33 or 1.34 are good. Otherwise the unit should be updated.

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Jeff does the +6db flash file included in the zip file really increase the bass by 6 db when the room is EQed. And do you have to run the room tune again after you upgrade?

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Can one of you provide a summary of bass issue? I though bass was good initially (axiom audio 350 watt) but on some source material I wanted more. I cranked my volume on sub itself, but that didn't increase output. I was planning to re-run tinnov with my volume knob set lower thinking that would give me more headroom ... Is there more going on?
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Dr. Rich gave the Trinnov a very thorough review in a back issue of The Sensible Sound, where he said that the remapping didn't work for multi-channel recordings where the center channel was not used or was 10 dB or more lower than the L/R channels. Quoting the article:

"Next, on to four-channel. Wait! That was quad in the '70s. Why are we discussing this now? Well, we are discussing it because 70% of the SACDs and DVD-As I examined (re-mastered analog and new digital) had either no center channel or a center channel that was 10 dB below the left and right, and 10 dB down is almost like no center at all.

"So, you would think the Trinnov would map the 4-channel disks to 5 channels, but it does not have that mode operational yet. It has no input mode for a 4-channel disk or one with a weak center.

"Much worse, if you play the 4-channel disk with the Trinnov in 5-channel mode, it messes up the center channel. It thinks that all multi-channel disks observe the 3-channel panning law. If your speakers are not exactly in the ITU position, it generates the wrong virtual image. In the case of 4-channel disks, then, you are better off with the Trinnov remapper turned off. They tell me they are working to fix this."

My question for Sherwood and R-972 owners: Has this been fixed in the R-972? If not, it would seem that most 5.1 channel music recordings would not be remapped correctly.
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bighigi:

The + 6dB file does changes the playback target and does increase the EQ's subwoofer output level by 6 dB. This does not require a new calibration. Simply insert your USB stick with that lone file into the front USB input of the R-972, agree to the upgrade prompt and about 30 seconds later you can playback with the newly adjusted level.

For any other 972 owners reading this thread, there are 3 flash files for subwoofer level: flat, + 3 dB and + 6 dB. Please drop me a line and I can email them to you.

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As owner of R-965 I've followed news of R-972 with fascination. What Trinnov is said to do for a setup has had me wondering.

I’d like to ask Jeff and anyone who knows if I’m right to assume the key to Trinnovs magic is rooted in phase adjustments. We’re all aware that most Automatic Home Theater setups equalizes frequencies and time aligns channel distances to the sweet spot. Am I right to assume Trinnov goes a step further and has the ability to align phase fluctuations through the whole frequency spectrum in every channel?

I’ve read about "The Best Loudspeaker on Earth" (YG Acoustics Anat References) and to me it seems phase stability is a key to realism. I am not able to afford speakers close to such amounts of money. Nobody is going to make ordinary speakers sound like the Anat References... - But the idea of phase alignment correction at the digital stages for realistic costs is inviting, to say the least.

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I take it that appling the +3 or +6 dB flash has a different effect than turning up the volume knob of your sub's amp... True? Why

Secondly, would you expect that this type of adjustment would be built in as a menu option in a future firmware release?
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I agree, that the option for a bass curve would be nice to have in the menu. I have noticed that once the bass is set that turning up the bass at the sub seems to do very little to increase things. I would not say that the bass is weak with the 972, but it is very controlled. My room has always been calibrated but reigning is a long bass wave is hard to do. The 972 seems to do a very good job of controlling room nodes in the bass region. I watched a movie last night that has some very good bass lines, and with Trinov on, it seemed a little thin, but the more I watched the more I noticed that the low bass notes are still there (my chair was shaking) but less bloated in the areas I had problems with before. I may seem like less bass but I believe it is more accurate now.

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Bighifi, I think it means the trinnov is working good
when you watch movies; especially in a larger room or at higher volumes, you always need to more volume of bass to feel the impactl; usually 4-6 db higher bass than the F,C,R speakers
the room correction systems try to make it accurate but to our ears, you need more bass on movies, I assume if you played blu-ray concerts with your current setting, it probably sounds great; usually with music, you would use lower bass volume. If the firmware allows the user to get +3 or +6 more bass with the press of a button, that would be great because then you can quickly switch depending on the source
that new bass feature may make this a much better product
the more discs you play, the more you'll see how different these recordings are; there is no 1 setting that works for all sources
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Yes I agree, My ears just got used to the bump I had at 40 hz. Now that it is smoothed out, is sounds strange to me. I am used to mixing in a live environment and a long way from the front Array, in that environment bass sounds great since it has had a lot of time to form the wave. In the near field environment harder to feel that punch. I think Trinnov has done the best job at smoothing out my room thus far.

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Nobody, not even Stereojeff( not good customer relations! ), has responded to my question whether the R-972 remaps correctly when the center channel signal is weak or absent. This is important since many 5.1 music recordings have a null or weak center channel.

I bought a 972 today so I will see for myself.
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