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Which of the above receivers should I get.
I have a budget of around $1,500 to $2,500 for it. The two I am looking at right now are the Yamaha 3900 and the NAD T765HD. Need advice as for which is better. Any other receiver that could be recommended would be appreciated. My main concern is audio quality.

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Audio Quality is subjective.

I looked at the NAD's specs, and I think it could be slightly less powerful than the Yamaha into an 8 ohm load. I based this on the stereo output. I believe the 3900 can do better than 150 watts into 2 channels at 8 ohms.

There was no 4 ohm spec given, which makes it hard to evaluate it's performance with 4 ohm speakers.

It's hard to say for sure, as there are a lot of variables. The 3900 has some excellent features, but you seem less interested in that.

It's pre amp section should be very similar to the Z7 which measured really well, on an Audioholics benchtest.

My assesment of any of it's audio capabilities should be dismissed. But I think it sounds great at average movie levels of 75 dB. At 85 dB, it sounds strained. I would think it could manage better than 75 dB average, but I don't care to listen to it at 85 dB average movie levels.

For music, it gets loud enough

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Which of the above receivers should I get.
I have a budget of around $1,500 to $2,500 for it. The two I am looking at right now are the Yamaha 3900 and the NAD T765HD. Need advice as for which is better. Any other receiver that could be recommended would be appreciated. My main concern is audio quality.

Thanks

Have you looked into the Denon4308CI? Excellent price price for these right now and a very powerful well received AVR. Look at OneCall.com for their weekend sale on these. You'll be surprised how much receiver you can get for the money.
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I called 3 local high end audio stores who sell all 3 brands.

I'm not sure if it's true, but they told me that for sound quality they rank their brands:

Yamaha -> Denon -> NAD

With NAD being the best. One guy even went so far as to say that the T765 will produce better sound than even a $5000 denon?

Go to the NAD website, look up distributors in your area and then call them and see if they say similar things. Chances are they would sell Yamaha's also.
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I can only attest to the sound quality of the NAD T765 (non HD model) because I own one. It sounds superb for both HT & two channel listening. I had both a Krell & Conrad Johnson preamp, both with HT bypass & for the life of me I couldn't justify keeping either of them because the NAD gave the same performance as far as I was concerned. I sold them both. As far as power performance goes, I already had a mono amp for my center & a separate two channel amp for my mains. The NAD is powering the surrounds (4ohm) & there's never been a hint of an issue. One of these days just for giggles I'll have to disconnect my separate amps & run everything off the NAD just to confirm how powerful it is.

I never heard the Yammie so I can't offer an opinion.
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Wow talk about a resurrected thread!

I guess we will never know what the OP bought!

"But this one goes up to 11"
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Wow talk about a resurrected thread!

I guess we will never know what the OP bought!

I don't necessarily consider this a resurrected thread. Heck! I've seen people bring back threads that are 2+ years old. I do find it somewhat annoying when someone starts a thread and never returns to it.

If the OP returns: my 2 cents is that I prefer NAD over Yamaha sound. I owned the T773 and attempted to replace it with a rx-v1900. Nad seemed to offer more power and better sound-just my opinion.
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The OP was almost two months ago

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I can only attest to the sound quality of the NAD T765 (non HD model) because I own one. It sounds superb for both HT & two channel listening. I had both a Krell & Conrad Johnson preamp, both with HT bypass & for the life of me I couldn't justify keeping either of them because the NAD gave the same performance as far as I was concerned. I sold them both. As far as power performance goes, I already had a mono amp for my center & a separate two channel amp for my mains. The NAD is powering the surrounds (4ohm) & there's never been a hint of an issue. One of these days just for giggles I'll have to disconnect my separate amps & run everything off the NAD just to confirm how powerful it is.

I never heard the Yammie so I can't offer an opinion.

I've owned Yamaha, Denon, Pioneer, and now finally finished with NAD separates.

I sell Denon, Pioneer, and Nad at my store. I always make sure that a demo is done with a customer on a number of difference brands before I even give my opinion on them (and I am biased towards NAD). But regardless of wattage and 80watt NAD will trounce a 120-150watt Yamaha any day of the week (maybe except the Z11). The current (amperage) difference between the brands is significantly different. And the NADs ablility to dig down to 2 ohms plays a huge part in its ability to play distortion free at high volumes.

Remember, impedance varies with frequency. It may be rare for speaker to dip down to 2 ohms. But they do, and your typical receiver from Denon, Onkyo, Pio, Yammy, will produce compression and distortion at high levels because of it.

I have done a side by side demo with the same material (demo cd I use at work) with a T765 connected to B&W CM7s, and a Denon AVR4310 connected to CM7s. There is this one passage in track 2 (I believe) of Kiss My Axe, and when the bass hits, the CM7s connected to the 4310 distort/compress while the CM7s connected to the "less powerfull" T765, is clean and clear.

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Well thanks for all the opinions on this subject. I actually went with the yamaha. I demo'ed both of them and could not find a difference between the two in regards to sound quality. So far I've been very happy with the whole system.

Thanks again all.
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Hi All,
perhaps this is not the proper place for this question, but I will resurrect this thread because I am considering purchasing this receiver. My "theatre consultant" is recommending this receiver at a price of $2499.
I plan on using this receiver to power my New Golden Ear Triton II towers, 50c center, and 3B surround speakers. The theatre will mostly be used for movies, but we will also enjoy listening to music with this system.

I would appreciate any opinions on this receiver or if anyone can recommend a better one? willing to spend up to $3000.00

Thanks in advance for your expert feebback
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Hello NAD community! I really need a suggestion. I purchased my first NAD T753 in 2006. This month April 2012 it started shutting down, it runs for 5 to 10 minutes then shuts down. I have to continue resetting it then it will run for that time again and will shut down. I LOVE my 70 watt T753, but the repair shop told me that worse case scenario, it will cost me $300 the most, to repair it, depending on what it is, but it might be less. Would anyone give me a WISE suggestion as to what to do in this scenario. The store where i originally got my unit currently has a 80 watt T765, i am speculating that since we are talking about a NAD receiver 10 more watts is a BIG deal. Also, is this more powerfull unit just as OLD as my T753??

Does anybody has experience with the T765 and does this unit has any negative issues as well, is there a problem with a NOISY loud fan???

I do want to say that there is NO WAY i will go for a Yamaha(too irritating to my ears, and too many damm buttons and pointless "sounds"), Denon(simply dull sound), Pioneer(sound has no life either). When i see that someone says that they did not hear a sound difference between a Yamaha and a NAD, that just tells me that some people's ears are just not as tuned as some of ours. Either that or some people just don't care or just don't know what to look for in SOUND QUALITY. I have gone to Best Buy's Magnolia home theater room, and i have taken my music there and played it on those gourgeous looking $4000 receivers, and everytime i leave that place i go back home with a smile on my face because i cannot believe the sound quality that comes out of my T753 70 watt unit. Even my wife tells me: "oh yeah! i can tell the difference". That "little" 50 pound unit outputs sound as if it had a 150 watt amp connected to it. My unit actually was an open box and i paid $750 out the door for it.
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Mr. Mejia - I have the 775 and am very happy with the sound. I've had no serious issues with it. I have not heard the other brands you mentioned so I won't comment on them. (I will say that comments regarding the sound of receivers can result in flame wars on this forum.)

You will probably get much more feedback if you post in the main thread, rather than reviving this old one.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=902321
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Thanks for guiding me to the correct site and for letting me know about my comment. My comment is based on experience and not an opinion, i have hooked up all those receivers at my house with the same set up and same speakers, but i do understand completely what you are saying. Is like telling someone: your car sucks! or to say something like: strawberry is better than chocolate. I do understand that different people like different things and that everyone is a different world, that is just the way it is. I actually know people that actually preffer loudness and noise over pure quality sound, so i do respect their opinions.

How old is your unit and how does it compare with my t753? Also you mention that you haven't had too "serious" issues with yours, what issues have you actually had?
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Every now and then, on start up, the fan noise will be excessive. Turning it off and back on will fix the problem. I think it probably needs cleaning/dusting inside. Other people have had issues regarding popping noise when switching inputs. Check out that main thread.

But note that the vast majority of people probably have no issues and the people who post are usually the ones who are having problems. Also, a site like this will inevitably get people who are much more obsessive about their equipment and every little detail. That being said it seems like firmware updates have pretty much cleared up most all the problems.
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i see you have the 100 watt system, wow sweet!! let me ask you, after how long did the fan noise began?? i am assuming after your warranty ran out?
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Yes. I bought the receiver used a little over a year ago. Like I said, right now, it's not really too big a problem. It doesn't happen all the time and when it does if I turn it off and back on, it's fine. I suppose one day if that doesn't work, I'll have to take it in.

Overall, I'm really happy with the sound quality.
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Check out the NAD T775/T785/T175 thread. I have had a NAD T775HD since last June and love it. It had a small software issue where music was getting dropped at the beginning of each track (about 1-2 seconds worth) when using digital (optical/HDMI) connection. NAD fixed it with a firmware upgrade and everything is great now. No HDMI issues whatsoever. Everytime it works for me. I have a PS3, Sony S5000ES, my iMac connected through HDMI. It can do bitstream audio, as well as apply DSP (Dolby Pro Logic IIx) to expand 5.1 to 7.1 for PCM 5.1, DTS-HD-Ma, Dolby TrueHD, as well as all legacy audio codec contents. It does Audyssey MultiEQ XT with custom NAD response curve. Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume also.

The menus are intuitive and easy to use. No video scaling which I prefer - Just a pass through however, you will see OSD for volume change, source change, etc.

I got an awesome deal on it too for $1299 from Saturday Audio in Chicago (shipped it to me to Florida). I can easily say that it is the best $1300 I spent on audio gear. I had a HK AVR 745 before that which I loved too but I love the NAD even more. I use it for both 2 channel audio (listen to CDs through Sony S5000ES and my iMac through optical) and Bluray movies and TV through my iMac (eyeTV HDHomeRun as tuner).

I love the universal learning backlit remote also. Very easy to use and sturdy.

Customer service is great. I can personally email and get responses.
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Just want everyone to know that i feel so much relief! I read something saying that your speakers can be the cause for your system to be shutting off, i went to inspect my wire cabling behing my NAD and on the speakers and guess what? One of the cable wires had come off from one of my front floor stand speaker connector and it was actually making a short, the loose wire was actually making the stupid short at the positive and negative connection. I could not believe it!

I am so HAPPY!!

How could this have happened? i dont know, this either happened when i moved the speaker to clean around there or my other theory is that the vibration from the subwoofer with time, might have caused that since they are next to each other?? Most likely it was me that pulled the wire with my foot somehow. Anyway, now i dont have to spend money on a new receiver, I LOVE my T753. Instead i am looking into an AMP, not that the T753 needs it, but just because the sound will be BETTER than it already is, but also because with the separate amp the T753 itself wont be using most of its own power and my unit will last me even longer. I am looking into the T925 THX, there is a guy selling his used one for $300 bucks, better than spending $1500. If any of you have negative and positive things to say about this amp please feel free to let me know. thanks again!
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