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Right now, the plan is to unbox and inspect the unit tonight, install and test it tomorrow, and run ARC and fine tune on Saturday. I will update with pictures and impressions along the way, with a review by the end of the weekend. If you have any questions, I will try to answer them to the best of my knowledge. Thanks for the well wishes and info.
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I got a call yesterday that my MRX-700 arrived and my boss was nice enough to let me leave early (yes, I used my vacation time). The unit is nice looking - not a show off piece, but I didn't buy it to be looked at. The ARC software/accessories all come in a box inside the receiver box.

I hooked up my speakers (Studio 20's L/R, CC690 Center, ADP590's surround, and a Sub15). Then I hooked up my Pan BD65 BluRay (HDMI).

I installed the ARC software (on a laptop running Windows 7). That went smoothly. I hooked up the ARC Mic using the supplied USB mini-standard cable and put it in the supplied tripod. This struck me as to why Anthem is spending money to supply a tripod, but they do.

The first glitch came when the instructions said to hook up the serial cable to the Anthem (that part was easy) and the other end of the cable to the laptop (that part really shocked me). Why? Because the other end was SERIAL. Even the software says you must be using Windows XP, Vista or 7 - so who has a laptop/computer with a serial connector. So I called my dealer and he actually had a 'Serial to USB' to lend me, so I picked it up and hooked everything up.

I put the mic in position 1 and started the ARC software. The first thing I noticed was unlike the Denon's and Yamaha's I've used in the past, the frequency sweep tone sounded different. It sounds like a digital version of someone saying "Worst". It took about 12 minutes to do all the testing for the five positions. Then it took an agonizing 15 minutes to update the MRX-700 with the data (I think that's why Serial ports are dead).

The one area I'm confused by is setting the MRX-700 to use the ARC settings. I went into the setup and under one of the AUDIO options (I forget which one) it said "ARC" and 'YES' was selected. Normally I'd assume it was setup properly, but the ARC Software manual says you can use both a Movie and a Music setting depending on your source (I'd imagine for CD you'd use Music and for BluRay Movie), but I couldn't find this option. At this point (9pm at night) I wasn't going to bug my dealer, so I'll ask him after I'm done with work tonight- but if anyone has an answer before that, I'd appreciate it.

While the ARC graphs show improvement, I was surprised with a noticeable drop off over 10KHz in all the speakers. The blue line (which shows the optimal Freq. Resp.) was flat from 20-20,000, but the calculated measurement (the green line) showed a significant drop. Any ideas from people who have used ARC before?

I may have left some stuff out in the setup process, but I'm happy to answer any questions.

Why is there NO perfect equipment, only compromises?
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I got a call yesterday that my MRX-700 arrived and my boss was nice enough to let me leave early (yes, I used my vacation time). The unit is nice looking - not a show off piece, but I didn't buy it to be looked at. The ARC software/accessories all come in a box inside the receiver box.

I hooked up my speakers (Studio 20's L/R, CC690 Center, ADP590's surround, and a Sub15). Then I hooked up my Pan BD65 BluRay (HDMI).

I installed the ARC software (on a laptop running Windows 7). That went smoothly. I hooked up the ARC Mic using the supplied USB mini-standard cable and put it in the supplied tripod. This struck me as to why Anthem is spending money to supply a tripod, but they do.

The first glitch came when the instructions said to hook up the serial cable to the Anthem (that part was easy) and the other end of the cable to the laptop (that part really shocked me). Why? Because the other end was SERIAL. Even the software says you must be using Windows XP, Vista or 7 - so who has a laptop/computer with a serial connector. So I called my dealer and he actually had a 'Serial to USB' to lend me, so I picked it up and hooked everything up.

I put the mic in position 1 and started the ARC software. The first thing I noticed was unlike the Denon's and Yamaha's I've used in the past, the frequency sweep tone sounded different. It sounds like a digital version of someone saying "Worst". It took about 12 minutes to do all the testing for the five positions. Then it took an agonizing 15 minutes to update the MRX-700 with the data (I think that's why Serial ports are dead).

The one area I'm confused by is setting the MRX-700 to use the ARC settings. I went into the setup and under one of the AUDIO options (I forget which one) it said "ARC" and 'YES' was selected. Normally I'd assume it was setup properly, but the ARC Software manual says you can use both a Movie and a Music setting depending on your source (I'd imagine for CD you'd use Music and for BluRay Movie), but I couldn't find this option. At this point (9pm at night) I wasn't going to bug my dealer, so I'll ask him after I'm done with work tonight- but if anyone has an answer before that, I'd appreciate it.

While the ARC graphs show improvement, I was surprised with a noticeable drop off over 10KHz in all the speakers. The blue line (which shows the optimal Freq. Resp.) was flat from 20-20,000, but the calculated measurement (the green line) showed a significant drop. Any ideas from people who have used ARC before?

I may have left some stuff out in the setup process, but I'm happy to answer any questions.

Most of us use the Keyspan USB/Serial Adapter (USA 19H) Make sure to download the latest drivers for your version of windows.
don't worry about the drop at 10K. Since the MRXs are restricted to a correction up to 5K, many of us get this dip at 10K which may be due to the mic getting more directional at the higher freq. Post your charts and Target window so we can see your measurements. Oh, and Congrats
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I got a call yesterday that my MRX-700 arrived and my boss was nice enough to let me leave early (yes, I used my vacation time). The unit is nice looking - not a show off piece, but I didn't buy it to be looked at. The ARC software/accessories all come in a box inside the receiver box.

I hooked up my speakers (Studio 20's L/R, CC690 Center, ADP590's surround, and a Sub15). Then I hooked up my Pan BD65 BluRay (HDMI).

I installed the ARC software (on a laptop running Windows 7). That went smoothly. I hooked up the ARC Mic using the supplied USB mini-standard cable and put it in the supplied tripod. This struck me as to why Anthem is spending money to supply a tripod, but they do.

The first glitch came when the instructions said to hook up the serial cable to the Anthem (that part was easy) and the other end of the cable to the laptop (that part really shocked me). Why? Because the other end was SERIAL. Even the software says you must be using Windows XP, Vista or 7 - so who has a laptop/computer with a serial connector. So I called my dealer and he actually had a 'Serial to USB' to lend me, so I picked it up and hooked everything up.

I put the mic in position 1 and started the ARC software. The first thing I noticed was unlike the Denon's and Yamaha's I've used in the past, the frequency sweep tone sounded different. It sounds like a digital version of someone saying "Worst". It took about 12 minutes to do all the testing for the five positions. Then it took an agonizing 15 minutes to update the MRX-700 with the data (I think that's why Serial ports are dead).

The one area I'm confused by is setting the MRX-700 to use the ARC settings. I went into the setup and under one of the AUDIO options (I forget which one) it said "ARC" and 'YES' was selected. Normally I'd assume it was setup properly, but the ARC Software manual says you can use both a Movie and a Music setting depending on your source (I'd imagine for CD you'd use Music and for BluRay Movie), but I couldn't find this option. At this point (9pm at night) I wasn't going to bug my dealer, so I'll ask him after I'm done with work tonight- but if anyone has an answer before that, I'd appreciate it.

While the ARC graphs show improvement, I was surprised with a noticeable drop off over 10KHz in all the speakers. The blue line (which shows the optimal Freq. Resp.) was flat from 20-20,000, but the calculated measurement (the green line) showed a significant drop. Any ideas from people who have used ARC before?

I may have left some stuff out in the setup process, but I'm happy to answer any questions.

What led you to decide on the MRX 700? Was it added wattage and HD Radio or other reasons? I am perfectly happy with my MRX 500 but there is always that "Should I Go With" in the back of my head.
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What led you to decide on the MRX 700? Was it added wattage and HD Radio or other reasons? I am perfectly happy with my MRX 500 but there is always that "Should I Go With" in the back of my head.

While I haven't ruled out using HD Radio, it was really the amplifier that made me go with the 700. Not so much the extra watts but the toroidal transformers.

Why is there NO perfect equipment, only compromises?
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While I haven't ruled out using HD Radio, it was really the amplifier that made me go with the 700. Not so much the extra watts but the toroidal transformers.

Explain what benefits the toroidal transformers will add. I was under the impression that other than added watts and HD radio, that there was no internal difference between the 500 and 700. Any info would be great - thanks.
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Explain what benefits the toroidal transformers will add. I was under the impression that other than added watts and HD radio, that there was no internal difference between the 500 and 700. Any info would be great - thanks.

Its due to their construction [the secondary windings around the core] which absorb the magnetic field from the primary windings which means less stray magnetic fields so less emi/rf affecting the circuitry [very efficient because of that construction as well] . They can be more compact compared to the same rated ei core ones I read .

I wouldnt worry to much as Ime sure the anthems have well isolated pcbs and good shielding
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I got a call yesterday that my MRX-700 arrived and my boss was nice enough to let me leave early (yes, I used my vacation time). The unit is nice looking - not a show off piece, but I didn't buy it to be looked at. The ARC software/accessories all come in a box inside the receiver box.

I hooked up my speakers (Studio 20's L/R, CC690 Center, ADP590's surround, and a Sub15). Then I hooked up my Pan BD65 BluRay (HDMI).

I installed the ARC software (on a laptop running Windows 7). That went smoothly. I hooked up the ARC Mic using the supplied USB mini-standard cable and put it in the supplied tripod. This struck me as to why Anthem is spending money to supply a tripod, but they do.

The first glitch came when the instructions said to hook up the serial cable to the Anthem (that part was easy) and the other end of the cable to the laptop (that part really shocked me). Why? Because the other end was SERIAL. Even the software says you must be using Windows XP, Vista or 7 - so who has a laptop/computer with a serial connector. So I called my dealer and he actually had a 'Serial to USB' to lend me, so I picked it up and hooked everything up.

I put the mic in position 1 and started the ARC software. The first thing I noticed was unlike the Denon's and Yamaha's I've used in the past, the frequency sweep tone sounded different. It sounds like a digital version of someone saying "Worst". It took about 12 minutes to do all the testing for the five positions. Then it took an agonizing 15 minutes to update the MRX-700 with the data (I think that's why Serial ports are dead).

The one area I'm confused by is setting the MRX-700 to use the ARC settings. I went into the setup and under one of the AUDIO options (I forget which one) it said "ARC" and 'YES' was selected. Normally I'd assume it was setup properly, but the ARC Software manual says you can use both a Movie and a Music setting depending on your source (I'd imagine for CD you'd use Music and for BluRay Movie), but I couldn't find this option. At this point (9pm at night) I wasn't going to bug my dealer, so I'll ask him after I'm done with work tonight- but if anyone has an answer before that, I'd appreciate it.

While the ARC graphs show improvement, I was surprised with a noticeable drop off over 10KHz in all the speakers. The blue line (which shows the optimal Freq. Resp.) was flat from 20-20,000, but the calculated measurement (the green line) showed a significant drop. Any ideas from people who have used ARC before?

I may have left some stuff out in the setup process, but I'm happy to answer any questions.

Wow congrats on your purchase Have you listened to anything yet? Please keep us informed.
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The testone you are hearing is a full freq. sweep, 20 Hz or below up to 20 KHz, not that snapping sound Audyssey puts out.
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Just picked the 700 from my dealer
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Congrats!! We're waiting for impressions My 500 should be here tomorrow. Will be setup in my family room in a 2.1 configuration for now. My D2v won't let it into the HT
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Congrats!! We're waiting for impressions My 500 should be here tomorrow. Will be setup in my family room in a 2.1 configuration for now. My D2v won't let it into the HT
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It is late here but I listened to 2 ch and enjoyed it very much . Someone needs to start an official thread. Very very happy so far. I had the 500 on ordered but I went for the amp.
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It is late here but I listened to 2 ch and enjoyed it very much . Someone needs to start an official thread. Very very happy so far. I had the 500 on ordered but I went for the amp.

I gather you haven't run ARC yet?
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jayray.....just send your D2V over here for a visit.

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I gather you haven't run ARC yet?
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Too busy with work My friend is coming over this evening after work to do some more listening. I really like this AVR. I listened to Diana Krall CD this morning and have to go to work now.
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It is late here but I listened to 2 ch and enjoyed it very much . Someone needs to start an official thread. Very very happy so far. I had the 500 on ordered but I went for the amp.

I think the amps in the 500 are more than enough for my family room
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I just got off the phone with Anthem support. I asked about the ARC and the video circuitry in the MRX.
He said the video upconversion is being done by Genesis Torino. He also said the ARC uses the same program as the AVMs and D's, but does not use dual core processsing so the number of filters will be reduced( lower resolution?).
I am paraphrasing but the message I get is it is not the same as " regular ARC". This might affect my decision to move away from Audyssey.

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I just got off the phone with Anthem support. I asked about the ARC and the video circuitry in the MRX.
He said the video upconversion is being done by Genesis Torino. He also said the ARC uses the same program as the AVMs and D's, but does not use dual core processsing so the number of filters will be reduced( lower resolution?).
I am paraphrasing but the message I get is it is not the same as " regular ARC". This might affect my decision to move away from Audyssey.

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We'll have to see how the results turn out as people start posting MRX ARC results charts, but it looks to me like you'll only be able to tell the difference if your room/speakers need a lot of correction. That is, for most folks, the ARC resources available in the MRX will do the job just fine, particularly as regards the bass portion of the ARC solution.
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I just got off the phone with Anthem support. I asked about the ARC and the video circuitry in the MRX.
He said the video upconversion is being done by Genesis Torino. He also said the ARC uses the same program as the AVMs and D's, but does not use dual core processsing so the number of filters will be reduced( lower resolution?).
I am paraphrasing but the message I get is it is not the same as " regular ARC". This might affect my decision to move away from Audyssey.

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I have seen a D2v ARC file converted to an MRX file and the processing on the sub was identical and the other speakers had more wiggles but still very good correction, so don't be too quick to judge. When I get mine today I'm taking it to a friends who has a Denon 4310 and do a direct comparison for movies and music.
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I have seen a D2v ARC file converted to an MRX file and the processing on the sub was identical and the other speakers had more wiggles but still very good correction, so don't be too quick to judge. When I get mine today I'm taking it to a friends who has a Denon 4310 and do a direct comparison for movies and music.
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I'm anxious to hear your thoughts on this.
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I have seen a D2v ARC file converted to an MRX file and the processing on the sub was identical and the other speakers had more wiggles but still very good correction, so don't be too quick to judge. When I get mine today I'm taking it to a friends who has a Denon 4310 and do a direct comparison for movies and music.
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John,

that sounds great. Very eager to hear of your results. I am picking up a 500 and will compare it to my Pioneer with the SMS-1 once I get it all setup.

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Just got my 700 installed and letting in run in for a while. One minor inconvenience, no S-video inputs for the old svhs vcr - will have to use composite. No big deal really.

Haven't run ARC yet, gotta go get a new 9pin to usb adapter - geez, they ship a nice tripod, heavy gauge 9 pin cable, but c'mon, for the extra $4 cost, they coulda shipped a 9pin/usb adapter and truly delighted the customer, rather than send me off to the freakin computer store... grrr...

Oh, it already sounds much better on 2ch stereo than the Denon 3311 I returned last weekend
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Just got my 700 installed and letting in run in for a while. One minor inconvenience, no S-video inputs for the old svhs vcr - will have to use composite. No big deal really.

Haven't run ARC yet, gotta go get a new 9pin to usb adapter - geez, they ship a nice tripod, heavy gauge 9 pin cable, but c'mon, for the extra $4 cost, they coulda shipped a 9pin/usb adapter and truly delighted the customer, rather than send me off to the freakin computer store... grrr...

Oh, it already sounds much better on 2ch stereo than the Denon 3311 I returned last weekend

Congrats!!! Another happy Anthem owner. I think drhankz should put out some of those "dancing boys" for new owners.
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Got my MRX 500 and off to test now.
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J - Since you seem to be one of the most knowledgeable Anthem guys who is getting a new MRX, can we convince you to be the one who starts the new "MRX Owners" thread? I think we all would appreciate it!
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Just got my 700 installed and letting in run in for a while. One minor inconvenience, no S-video inputs for the old svhs vcr - will have to use composite. No big deal really.

Haven't run ARC yet, gotta go get a new 9pin to usb adapter - geez, they ship a nice tripod, heavy gauge 9 pin cable, but c'mon, for the extra $4 cost, they coulda shipped a 9pin/usb adapter and truly delighted the customer, rather than send me off to the freakin computer store... grrr...

Oh, it already sounds much better on 2ch stereo than the Denon 3311 I returned last weekend

My finding too
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J - Since you seem to be one of the most knowledgeable Anthem guys who is getting a new MRX, can we convince you to be the one who starts the new "MRX Owners" thread? I think we all would appreciate it!

I agree. An MRX owner who is also a seasoned D2V owner would be ideal and jayray has been valuable on this thread from the outset.
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Congrats!!! Another happy Anthem owner. I think drhankz should put out some of those "dancing boys" for new owners.
John

I wouldn't be too quick to judge the happy owner part. I've been f-ing around with 9pin/usb dongles for over an hour now on 2 laptops and am getting very pissed that Anthem didn't simply ship a 9 pin to usb cable in the box. Being Friday night of course I can't get hold of them to Monday.

On 1st laptop - usb adapter installs fine, ARC starts can't get past the find valid microphone message even tho it shows me the right serial number

on 2nd laptop usb adapter installs fine, then it can't mfnd the processor.

Anthem - get your head out of your ass and ship with the required cables for USB - period - this is so aggravating that you force this crap down my throat when I just plunked down close to $2K for your product dammit!
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