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Any word on the 2010 lineup from Yamaha? HDMI 1.4? DPLIIz? Pre/Pro combo? Wireless Zone 2/3? Anything?

I have an old RXV-2400 I am looking to upgrade. The wait is killing me.
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Any word on the 2010 lineup from Yamaha? HDMI 1.4? DPLIIz? Pre/Pro combo? Wireless Zone 2/3? Anything?

I have an old RXV-2400 I am looking to upgrade. The wait is killing me.

I agree this is ridiculous!! Historically it seems to be normally done in February. I am just hoping the new ones will push the price of the old stock down.

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Any word on the 2010 lineup from Yamaha? HDMI 1.4? DPLIIz? Pre/Pro combo? Wireless Zone 2/3? Anything?

I have an old RXV-2400 I am looking to upgrade. The wait is killing me.

A French website [possibly/probably only repeating rumors?] seems to identify the [European market] 2010 entry/mid-priced models as including: RX-V367 (HTR-3063), RX-V467 (HTR-4063), RX-V567 (HTR-5063), and RX-V767.

[Which is not much of a surprise if Yamaha wanted to avoid the possibility of a model numbered '666'...?! ]

ADDENDUM2: CSA Certifications for Yamaha include models: RX-V467, RX-V567, RX-V667, RX-V767, and HTR-4063, HTR-5063, HTR-6063, HTR-7063.

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Anyone looking to upgrade a Yamaha to a 2009 model can get a fantastic deal on a RX-Z11 if you act quickly. There are only a few left at authorized dealers. I bought one six weeks ago and am very happy. Original list was $5499. Send me a pm for the price. Bill
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Anyone looking to upgrade a Yamaha to a 2009 model can get a fantastic deal on a RX-Z11 if you act quickly. There are only a few left at authorized dealers. I bought one six weeks ago and am very happy. Original list was $5499. Send me a pm for the price. Bill

Good grief that is about what I bought my car for. Any chance you getting rid of the mid level yamaha receivers like the V665


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Which is not much of a surprise if Yamaha wanted to avoid the possibility of a model numbered '666'...?!

Yamaha has been only on "odd" numbers for the "triple-digit" lines for a few years.
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Yamaha has been only on "odd" numbers for the "triple-digit" lines for a few years.

I guess Yamaha has planned ahead so that in two years they might 'jump over' the already-existing RX-Vx70 model numbers!

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The receiver listing on Yamaha's website has been 'cleaned up' to remove all 'prior year' entry/mid-priced models (RX-Vx63, and HTR-61xx) - except for the RX-V863 (for which there was no corresponding '8' model in the 'current year' RX-Vx65 product line).

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Looks they may announce something soon, but according to this post in another thread the new models might not be shipping until September. Hopefully they are taking the time to get it right, because the x65 series didn't get me excited at all.
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"Yamaha introduces three new entry-level AV receivers: RX-V367, RX-V467 and RX-V567."
"A further five new models in the series is to be expected during the year."
"Delivery Start: April-May." Hopefully not just in Sweden!

Pointer to [European] RX-V567 NPB. The RX-V567's rear connector positioning layout appears 'based on' that of the prior year model RX-V665.

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Looks like more meh, from Yamaha, at least on first glance. Unless HDMI 1.4 excites you.

Thankfully I bought their last interesting receiver. And it should last me quite some time. Not like I can afford another expensive receiver anytime soon. I have considered replacing all my front speakers so they are matched with respect to timbre.

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Nothing interesting there, but I'm not looking at the low end anyway. I still think there will be something new at the top end after they sold off the Z11s at less than half the original price.
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"Yamaha introduces three new entry-level AV receivers: RX-V367, RX-V467 and RX-V567."
"A further five new models in the series is to be expected during the year."
"Delivery Start: April-May." Hopefully not just in Sweden!

Nothing interesting there, but I'm not looking at the low end anyway. I still think there will be something new at the top end after they sold off the Z11s at less than half the original price.

I guess we would expect the five [hinted] replacements to be for existing 'European' models 765/1065/2065 and 1900/3900 (with the possibility of a new model RX-V667 in the US and other select markets...)
But somehow I think a replacement for the RX-Z11 will depend on when the rumored dts 11.x surround system is available to Yamaha...?!

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From the 567 NPB, there are only a few minor improvements over the 565:
  • Real binding posts for all speakers
  • An S-video input
  • "Input selection during HDMI Standby Through" - suggests you can now use your awesome TV speakers for multiple sources instead of just one!
  • "Auto power down function" - for the absent minded

The fact that 3D video is supported only with a firmware update might just mean they had no 3D sources to test with so they just put in last year's software for now.
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From the 567 NPB, there are only a few minor improvements over the 565:
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  • An S-video input
  • . . .

The NPB is for a European/General 567 model. European low/mid priced x65 models had S-Video ports, even though the US & Canadian low/mid priced x65 models did not. I'm guessing the US & Canadian 567 models will continue to omit the S-Video port.

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The NPB is for a European/General 567 model. European low/mid priced x65 models had S-Video ports, even though the US & Canadian low/mid priced x65 models did not. I'm guessing the US & Canadian 567 models will continue to omit the S-Video port.

Good point. They certainly didn't improve the inputs much if at all, and the x65's got quite a lot of criticism for that. Overall it seems they tried to do the absolute minimum R&D this year at the low end, although maybe it's because all their effort went into a 3067 and possibly even a 4067?
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Good point. They certainly didn't improve the inputs much if at all, and the x65's got quite a lot of criticism for that. Overall it seems they tried to do the absolute minimum R&D this year at the low end, although maybe it's because all their effort went into a 3067 and possibly even a 4067?

Actually, it looks like the 567 has inherited the basic electronics from the 665/765[/1065/2065] models (my guess from the CSA Certifications is that the 467 will be similar...) which is not such a bad deal at that price point. The 567 does include HDMI 1.4 and 3D, but the 5xx is only a [basic] 7.1 AVR without height speakers, so I'm not sure how much more we could have expected -- certainly not DPLIIz! So Yamaha will likely stay competitive at the low price end.

The 6xx/7xx and above models have 'always' included Yamaha's proprietary 'Presence' [Front Height] processing . . . now with competition from DPLIIz and DSX. Yamaha has touted itself as the market leader in 3D-audio-DSP; we'll just have to wait to see what tricks they unveil this year that will let them continue to lay claim to that title...?!

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Why not another receiver in the mold of the RX-V659? A receiver with a basic feature set, but excellent power.

Unfortunately, how do you market that?

I admit I miss the old 6xx series which Yamaha did so well with the 657 (which I still own,) and the 659. The insane speed of "progress" may prevent reasonably priced and powered receivers.

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I have it on good authority that the RX-v*67 line will ship in early April...
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Pointer to [European] RX-V467 NPB. As with the Rx-V567, the RX-V467's rear connector positioning layout appears 'based on' that of the prior year model RX-V665.

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Why not another receiver in the mold of the RX-V659? A receiver with a basic feature set, but excellent power. Unfortunately, how do you market that?

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I admit I miss the old 6xx series which Yamaha did so well with the 657 (which I still own,) and the 659. The insane speed of "progress" may prevent reasonably priced and powered receivers.

Yep, I'm inclined to agree; I love my old HTR-5860!

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But by all means, correct me whenever I make a mistake in spelling (Tori or Aaron.)

Nope! Nothing wrong with your spelling (Mr. Dictionary says both spellings are legitimate for both meanings!) Apparently I just have an idiosyncrasy/affectation about using the two different spellings (no, not Tori and Aaron!) for the two different meanings of mould/mold...

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Pointer to [European] RX-V367 NPB.
Pointer to [European] RX-V467 NPB.
Pointer to [European] RX-V567 NPB.
Pointer to [European] RX-V667 NPB. *** 4/9/2010: link is now dead ***
Pointer to [European] RX-V767 NPB. *** 4/9/2010: link is now dead ***

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I see a lot of people thinking they need external amplifiers. Before spending money, ask yourself, do I actually lack power in my system? And make sure your amp is not the weakest link.

Actually, I find that the internal power amps on most AVRs ARE THEIR weakest links

Except for ICEpowered Pioneer AVRs, most AVRs use a regular AB architecture. That design is ultimately limited by the size of the transformer used in the AVR and for the most part, they are undersized. When you use an external amp like an Emotiva Class AB, their transformers are significantly larger... so a 5 channel power amp would have almost 5x the transformer size of the a single channel amp. That's why we have tests that show a lot of the new AVRs run out of juice when they have to power all the channels simultaneously.

Also, it's not all about the max power deliverable per se, since that's likely to pierce yr eardrums.. but how well your amp can handle transients which in turn leads to microdynamics/details.

When you even take the LR channels out of the equation and drive them with an external power amp, you give more headroom for the rest of the channels driven by the AVR. I found that even without changing anything else (just power amps to LR), the center channel became crisper and dialogue clearer.

Sorry for the OT.

Back to Yamaha... so no DSX/IIz so 2010? Only HDMI 1.4?
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...Back to Yamaha... so no DSX/IIz so 2010? Only HDMI 1.4?

There should still be 2 or 3 more models at the top end not yet announced. I would hope at least some of these do 9.1 or Yamaha aren't keeping up with the competition.
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Back to Yamaha... so no DSX/IIz so 2010? Only HDMI 1.4?

I don't think Yamaha will ever have DSX. Yamaha has their own room correction and processing technology, and given that Audyssey isn't exactly universally revered, I can't really see them making a switch (especially after factoring in licensing costs and loss of differentiation from their competition).

As far as IIz goes, Yamaha has had their presence channels for a while in the higher-end models, which is essentially the same thing.
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Back to Yamaha... so no DSX/IIz so 2010? Only HDMI 1.4?

I don't get the impression that Yamaha and Audyssey are in bed together, so I doubt DSX was ever a likely feature...? And I suspect that without content custom encoded for DPLIIz, there could be a case made that Yamaha's CINEMA DSP 3D is a better ambiance processor. [Actually, I'd really like to see a pro audio magazine do a double blind comparison of DSX(heights) vs DPLIIz vs Yamaha CINEMA DSP 3D...?]

But, at first glance, the new 'feature sets' are a little disappointing: Figure the [US model] RX-V767 will likely have an MSRP of $649.95 (like the RX-V765), giving a 'big box' everyday price of $599.95. The Pioneer VSX-1020-K is about the same price and offers (in addition) networking plus a choice between DPLIIz and 'Pioneer proprietary front wide speakers' . . . but not a full set of pre-outs. It will be interesting to see the performance of both models in retail big box stores...?!

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Audyssey AutoEQ (ie the bit that competes with YPAO) is not the same thing as DSX.

The specs seem a bit dated.. I think the x07 Onkyo and the x10 Denons were already featuring the PLL/low jitter HDMI connection.

Also, I believe HEMag and a few others have often used oblique references to Yamaha's Presence speakers when talking abt Audyssey DSX and IIz heights.

The consensus seems to be that Yamaha's height speakers adds a vaguey/phasey echoey feel to the sound which most reviewers seem to find detracts from the immersion. But that IIz/DSX adds to the feel.

Edited to answer Soundchex...
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There should still be 2 or 3 more models at the top end not yet announced. I would hope at least some of these do 9.1 or Yamaha aren't keeping up with the competition.

At least 3 more models dropping into the 1065/2065/1900/3900 market space, but maybe we won't see the 1900/3900 replacements until CEDIA in September (2010) . . . perhaps with the long overdue DTS height processing we've been 'promised' for summer 2010...? [A 'next generation', replacement, proprietary Yamaha DSP Presence environment should probably 'include' both DPLIIz and DTS height processing...]

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