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post #2011 of 2048 Old 06-07-2014, 04:29 PM
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I use a XPA-5 G2 with a Onkyo 5010
Adding the Emotiva does not change how the levels of individual channels are adjusted
You can still use the Onkyo menu and adjust levels manually or use Audyssey Auto calibration

Thanks. How are you triggering the XPA-5 since there isn't a trigger out for the main zone?

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I'm about to purchase a XPA-5 to pair with my Onkyo NR1010 and it will be powering my front three speakers (saving other channels for heights ) and the Onkyo will power the surrounds and back surrounds. How should I go about matching the gains or will Audyssey correct that for me?

 

 

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I'm about to purchase a XPA-5 to pair with my Onkyo NR1010 and it will be powering my front three speakers (saving other channels for heights ) and the Onkyo will power the surrounds and back surrounds. How should I go about matching the gains or will Audyssey correct that for me?

The auto setup should match levels ( the XPA lacks level controls.) It's no different than the fact the receiver has to deal with distances and speaker sensitivity differences.

"But this one goes up to 11"
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Thanks. How are you triggering the XPA-5 since there isn't a trigger out for the main zone?

If I remember correct I did think that would be an issue but it isn't, you just have to manually switch on the Emotiva from the front power button.
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Thanks for all the replies. I'm excited about the addition.
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Is there any particular sequence the amp should be turned on/off in, e.g. on first or on last, off first or off last?

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Not that I'm aware of. Unless you have some type of DSP connected to it and are getting the dreaded thump then you'll want to power it on after the DSP then power it off before the DSP.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Lesmor Thanks. How are you triggering the XPA-5 since there isn't a trigger out for the main zone?
If I remember correctly, some have used the zone 3 trigger and added it to an Activity on their Harmony remote. I just picked up the TXNR3010(my 1007 HDMI board just died again) and plan to get an Emotiva amp during their annual sale. I will then add the zone 3 trigger to my activities.
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Is there any particular sequence the amp should be turned on/off in, e.g. on first or on last, off first or off last?
The normal sequence is the amp is last on, first off, with a few seconds pause either way to let other components settle at start-up and the amp to bleed off at power-down.

One of my old tube preamps needed to warm up 5 - 10 minutes before the initial transients died away. Not a big deal when driving a tube power amp, but drove my SS amp nuts (and took out some speakers).

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Wow, I didn't know tube equipment could do that. I think a tube preamp would be cool (not literally,) but not if it kilt speakers [ I am sure modern tube preamps are better behaved ]

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Most modern preamps I have seen include circuitry to suppress such large turn-on artifacts. My very old tube preamp put out >10 V in a damped oscillation before everything settled out. There were various reasons for that, some good, some bad, some system-related. Once stable, it had great sound and extremely impressive measured performance (much better in several ways than most of its SS competition). Still, I had to be very careful around it when I had a big SS amp in the system... A friend with a slightly newer preamp from the same manufacturer had no such issues.

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I installed my new XPA-5 yesterday, what a beast! I had to cut a huge hole out in my equipment cabinet to accommodate it - my wife was thrilled. I plan to run Audyssey tonight! Is there a way to turn off the standby light?

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You can turn off the status LEDs with a switch on the back, not the standby light AFAIK. Black electrical tape.

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I thought they'd do something about the too bright standby light/button with the second generation, with all of the negative comments over the years. A brand new amp and the only solution is a black sharpie or electric tape. I've had amps from 5-6 other brands in the last several years and not one has this issue.
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I thought they'd do something about the too bright standby light/button with the second generation, with all of the negative comments over the years. A brand new amp and the only solution is a black sharpie or electric tape. I've had amps from 5-6 other brands in the last several years and not one has this issue.

I have some emotiva amps the blue stand by I thought would bug me too.. but I actually like it now .. it grows on you ..


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The only real problem I have with the status indicator is my children are drawn to it like a fly to light. Oh well, I will just deal with it.

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Hello Gen 2 XPA 5 Owners. I have a Marantz SR5008 I am considering moving into my bedroom from my weight room. I have been looking at the Emotiva amps for a few years. Yes this is a bedroom application with 5.1 surround....but most of my home theater watching is in there with the wifey (we have an extensive blue ray collection). I appreciate crystal clear sound...though we will not play at reference levels....I have an AV rack in there with a perfect spot for this. Would this amp considerably improve the sound quality from the entry level Marantz? For the same price I could get a Denon X4000 with XT32 room correction...so which would improve the sound more. Better amp for a small room or better room correction? Part of me just wants the amp...lol. But the Denon X4000 should be a step up from the Marantz SR5008...hmmm...Warm sound is a must for me...is there any brightness with the Emotiva?

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Hello Gen 2 XPA 5 Owners. I have a Marantz SR5008 I am considering moving into my bedroom from my weight room. I have been looking at the Emotiva amps for a few years. Yes this is a bedroom application with 5.1 surround....but most of my home theater watching is in there with the wifey (we have an extensive blue ray collection). I appreciate crystal clear sound...though we will not play at reference levels....I have an AV rack in there with a perfect spot for this. Would this amp considerably improve the sound quality from the entry level Marantz? For the same price I could get a Denon X4000 with XT32 room correction...so which would improve the sound more. Better amp for a small room or better room correction? Part of me just wants the amp...lol. But the Denon X4000 should be a step up from the Marantz SR5008...hmmm...Warm sound is a must for me...is there any brightness with the Emotiva?

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That's a loaded question - one that will provide several different answers. We need to know some more information: room size, speakers and their sensitivity, normal volume listening and distance from mains to MLP. Based on what you've described so far, I would say unless you have extremely power hungry speakers, the amp won't do much for you.

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IMO, getting an external amp is the last thing on a big list of things that I would add/upgrade in my system to improve sound quality. I would recommend acoustic room treatments and/or a good capable sub first. If that's not possible I would recommend getting the X4000 for Audyssey XT32.

If you are not clipping your receiver at your normal listening volumes now then adding an external power amp will not make any audible difference. That is unless your bedroom is much bigger and you will be a considerable distance farther from your speakers than you are now. I would only recommend an external amp if power was a REAL issue like if your receiver is already clipping or your receiver does not have enough amp channels to drive all your speakers. I have an XPR-5 and it made no audible difference over my Denon 4311 powering a pair of Revel Salon2s, Voice2, a pair of S30s and a pair of Infinity Primus P363 at reference in an 18' x 17' room.
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Hello Gen 2 XPA 5 Owners. I have a Marantz SR5008 I am considering moving into my bedroom from my weight room. I have been looking at the Emotiva amps for a few years. Yes this is a bedroom application with 5.1 surround....but most of my home theater watching is in there with the wifey (we have an extensive blue ray collection). I appreciate crystal clear sound...though we will not play at reference levels....I have an AV rack in there with a perfect spot for this. Would this amp considerably improve the sound quality from the entry level Marantz? For the same price I could get a Denon X4000 with XT32 room correction...so which would improve the sound more. Better amp for a small room or better room correction? Part of me just wants the amp...lol. But the Denon X4000 should be a step up from the Marantz SR5008...hmmm...Warm sound is a must for me...is there any brightness with the Emotiva?

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I can't see an amp as being warm unless it is defective or designed poorly. OTH you may find the X4000 to be brighter than the Marantz.
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I can't see an amp as being warm unless it is defective or designed poorly. OTH you may find the X4000 to be brighter than the Marantz.
In which case the Emotiva might be on the bright side too. It's hard to say without knowing more about the speakers, or if the bedroom is carpeted. The biggest improvement in electronics might be an upgrade to Audyssey XT32.
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In which case the Emotiva might be on the bright side too. It's hard to say without knowing more about the speakers, or if the bedroom is carpeted. The biggest improvement in electronics might be an upgrade to Audyssey XT32.
it would be the speakers that are bright not the amp..


sure get the amp for better sound .. head room is always a good thing pick up there cheap pre pro too.. for good sound..


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I belong to the camp which believes amps make a difference. IMHO, the Emotiva is a reasonable upgrade if you feel the speakers lack dynamics, but if you are using it in a small room, then other options may make more difference. It has a neutral to slightly warm sonic tone.
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I am considering purchasing an XPA-5, but am wondering how much good it would do me. The primary focus would be to drive more channels in the future, not necessarily for more power. I would eventually like to do an Atmos setup with 11 channels, but will wait for a while to see how the technology matures. For now the most I could power would be 9 channels using the external amp and leaving 4 on my AVR.

My setup currently is powered by a Denon X4000 using a Martin Logan Motif for the center and Jamo S628 towers for the mains, I am considering adding Martin Logan Electromotion ESLs as the mains and moving the Jamos to wides in a DSX setup. All the speakers have ~90db sensitivity and are 6ohm. The room is 16x18, the MLP is about 9ft and I usually have the volume for movies and gaming around -30db and I am using Audyssey XT32 for room EQ.

Would the XPA-5 gain me anything in this setup or is the Denon enough until I decide to add speakers or go the Atmos route? I have a feeling it is unnecessary at the moment, but thought I would ask.
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While ESLs have a reputation for requiring more drive due a low HF impedance and low sensitivity, if your average listening level is -30 dBref in a small'ish room I would not expect a significant (if even audible) improvement. Unless you find something lacking I would stay with the Denon and spend the money elsewhere, like room treatment if you have not done so.

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While ESLs have a reputation for requiring more drive due a low HF impedance and low sensitivity, if your average listening level is -30 dBref in a small'ish room I would not expect a significant (if even audible) improvement. Unless you find something lacking I would stay with the Denon and spend the money elsewhere, like room treatment if you have not done so.

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If he wants to do 9 channels (I believe that was in his quote) then an external amp is required since the x4000 only has 7 channels of amplification. However, if the OP is going the route of Atmos that won't be happening without a new receiver so I guess I am a little confused. That being said once you have the amp bug its hard to shake, with a 30 day return window I would say give it a try. However, 3 channels should be plenty and cost a couple of hundred less if buying Emo.
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While ESLs have a reputation for requiring more drive due a low HF impedance and low sensitivity, if your average listening level is -30 dBref in a small'ish room I would not expect a significant (if even audible) improvement. Unless you find something lacking I would stay with the Denon and spend the money elsewhere, like room treatment if you have not done so.

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Are you using Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume?

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Check the impedance curves for the model(s) you are considering. Note that ML states in the literature for most of their models that an 8-ohm amplifier is sufficient. The drop in impedance varies by model and remember little power is actually used at very high frequencies so chances are you'll not have a problem even if it does hit 2 ohms at 20+ kHz. While pro-active can be good, in this case it may just cost you money best spent elsewhere. If you must get rid of extra money, my boy's college fund could really, really use it. If you were further away and listened at a louder volume you might need an amp, I just have trouble seeing it in this case.

-30 dB, assuming 0 dB is set to 85 dB (THX reference 85 dB, plus 20 dB headroom so 105 dB peaks), means your average listening level is around 55 dB or so. Look at an SPL calculator like the one below and see how much power you might actually need. A single speaker of 90 dB/W/m at 9 feet and 60 dB SPL needs about 0.01 W (10 mW). 1 W gets you 80 dB, which is pretty loud to me. That is for one speaker without any room gain. I really think you'll be fine.

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Edit: If my assumption of 85 dB SPL being 0 dB on your AVR's volume control is wrong I might be ~20 dB off. That is a a factor of 100, which sounds terrible until you realize that means you might be using 1 W to hit your desired listening level. With one speaker. I still think you'll be fine.

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That is excellent information, I appreciate your time and advice, now I can turn my attention to other areas of need. I am sure you will see me back in this thread once I expand beyond my current setup. Thanks again.
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I belong to the camp which believes amps make a difference. IMHO, the Emotiva is a reasonable upgrade if you feel the speakers lack dynamics, but if you are using it in a small room, then other options may make more difference. It has a neutral to slightly warm sonic tone.
^^ I agree with Pete here. And I wanted to thank everyone for their time and give you an update. I guess I had the amp bug and I couldn't shake it. Did some more research and ended up with an Emotiva UPA-500 after reading an audioholics review: http://www.audioholics.com/amplifier...-500-amplifier

Other factors influencing my decision. Size...not height or weight...but the XPA is 19 inches deep and would not fit well in my AV Rack (16 inches deep). Also price...I picked up the UPA-500 for < $300 after a recent 20% off promo from Emotiva on the recent sale price. I will likely get the XPA-5 for my living room within a year or stereo amp for my weight room. I realize this is an XPA-5 owners thread but my application was for a small bedroom with 5.1 surround. The UPA-500 fit better in my AV Rack being just over 16 inches deep. I like the pretty blue lights for some reason...and I started playing some CD's. Call it the Placebo effect...but I think they sound better. Also my wife made some comments about one of her CD's like "What's that sound?" and it was some background noise in a CD she has not heard before. I'm now re-ripping my CD collection to FLAC since the Marantz SR5008 can stream it DNLA.

Maybe those in my situation (small room) and who also has the amp bug might consider the UPA-500.

Now I am looking a better front three LCR for my bedroom (see image below). I have a preference for warm sound and am considering the Warfedale 10.2's with one of the matching centers. I am open to any suggestions to warm sounding Bookshelfs by the way. Speakers must sound good with Alice in Chains "Nutshell".

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