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The 3rd generation of XPA amps are now available from Emotiva here: https://emotiva.com/products/amplifiers/xpa-gen3

The 3rd Gen XPA amps are build to order and based on the number of channels needed. Basic price of $899 is just for 2-channels in classic "solid" stereo mode. Note that maximum power is limited to what can be driven into 2-channels. The 3rd Gen XPA amps are now rated to drive 2-ohm loads.

Comparing the MSRP price of the 2nd Gen XPA-5 vs. 3rd Gen XPA-5, there is a cost increase of +$500. This is based on MSRP of the 2nd Gen XPA-5 being $999 vs. 3rd Gen XPA-5 being 899+600=$1,499

The increase in costs from 2nd Gen to 3rd Gen gives you a Class H type amp, switch mode power supply (lighter weight) and an additional 50W per channel.

Anyone willing to try out the new 3rd Gen XPA-5?

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Class H, not G, according to their datasheet. Class G switches the power rails among different voltages based upon the input (and thus output) signal; class H uses a tracking power supply to follow the input. The basic amplifier is still class AB.

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The 3rd generation of XPA amps are now available from Emotiva here: https://emotiva.com/products/amplifiers/xpa-gen3

The 3rd Gen XPA amps are build to order and based on the number of channels needed. Basic price of $899 is just for 2-channels in classic "solid" stereo mode. Note that maximum power is limited to what can be driven into 2-channels. The 3rd Gen XPA amps are now rated to drive 2-ohm loads.

Comparing the MSRP price of the 2nd Gen XPA-5 vs. 3rd Gen XPA-5, there is a cost increase of +$500. This is based on MSRP of the 2nd Gen XPA-5 being $999 vs. 3rd Gen XPA-5 being 899+600=$1,499

The increase in costs from 2nd Gen to 3rd Gen gives you a Class G type amp, switch mode power supply (lighter weight) and an additional 50W per channel.

Anyone willing to try out the new 3rd Gen XPA-5?

Come again?

The max power is limited to what can be driven into 2 channels? Does that mean what I think it means, that the multi channel amps can't make rated power to all channels at the same time?
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Come again?

The max power is limited to what can be driven into 2 channels? Does that mean what I think it means, that the multi channel amps can't make rated power to all channels at the same time?
Their description and specs:

A Word About Power Ratings

Music is, by its nature, dynamic. While it’s relatively common for the two main channels in a stereo amplifier to be asked to simultaneously deliver high
power levels, it is very uncommon for more than two channels to be called upon to deliver high power continuously at the same time, and this almost
never occurs outside of laboratory test conditions.
In order to deliver the most dynamic performance where it counts - with real music - we have designed the XPA Gen3 modular power amplifier with a
single immense power supply, which is able to deliver massive power continuously to any two channels, and to deliver huge amounts of power dynamically
to any number of channels when and if called upon to do so.
The power ratings for the XPA Gen3 modular power amplifier are the same with both channels driven continuously in the two-channel version of the amplifier,
and for ANY TWO CHANNELS DRIVEN CONTINUOUSLY in the versions of the XPA Gen3 configured with three, four, five, six, or even seven output channels.
In addition to this, because we always aim to provide the most complete information possible, we have also rated the other versions in terms of continuous power
(under laboratory conditions) with all channels driven.
Also note that, while the exceptional sound quality of the XPA Gen3 modular power amplifier, and its two-channel continuous power rating, remain the same
whether you choose to use a 120 VAC line or a 230 VAC line, the multi-channel power ratings are somewhat higher when you power the XPA Gen3 from a 230 VAC circuit.
While the XPA Gen3 modular power amplifier will provide plenty of power for most home theater installations when run from a 120 VAC line, for the absolute
best possible performance, we recommend operating the XPA Gen3 from a 230 VAC line.
Circuit Topology

A fully modular audio power amplifier with a high-efficiency switch mode power supply (SMPS), independent, fully discrete, dual differential, high current,
short signal path Class A/B amplifier modules, Optimized Class H™ power supply topology, and microprocessor-controlled fault protection.

Power Output
ALL MODELS: Power Output Per Channel
300 watts RMS per channel; 20 Hz - 20 kHz; THD < 0.1%; into 8 Ohms
550 watts RMS per channel; 20 Hz - 20 kHz; THD < 0.2%; into 4 Ohms
800 watts RMS per channel; 20 Hz - 20 kHz; THD < 0.5%; into 2 Ohms
ALL MODELS: FTC Rated Power; 2 Channels Driven; 20 Hz - 20 kHz; THD <0.1%
300 watts RMS per channel; THD < 0.1%; into 8 Ohms (120 VAC line).
490 watts RMS per channel; THD < 0.1%; into 4 Ohms (120 VAC line).
Power Output Per Channel: All Channels Driven; THD <0.1% ; into 8 ohms


XPA two Gen3: 300 watts RMS per channel
XPA three Gen3: 275 watts RMS per channel
XPA four Gen3: 260 watts RMS per channel
XPA five Gen3: 250 watts RMS per channel
XPA six Gen3: 225 watts RMS per channel
XPA seven Gen3: 200 watts RMS per channel


To me.... while the type G power switching is more efficient and allows for using a slightly smaller power supply for driving multiple amp blades (esp 5 & 7) it is still governed the total available power, they simply chose a power supply that would give you 200 w/ch with 7 channels driven and anything over that for less channels driven is just gravy.

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Yeah, I'm not sure what it means either. But if the XPA-5, which is rated by them at 250 wpc, can't do 250 with all channels driven, then they are playing with the numbers. Maybe it can do 200 x 5, I don't know.
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Yeah, I'm not sure what it means either. But if the XPA-5, which is rated by them at 250 wpc, can't do 250 with all channels driven, then they are playing with the numbers. Maybe it can do 200 x 5, I don't know.
Edited my post with some color to highlight what you're looking for.

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Class H, not G, according to their datasheet. Class G switches the power rails among different voltages based upon the input (and thus output) signal; class H uses a tracking power supply to follow the input. The basic amplifier is still class AB.
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Just received noticed that my XPA-5 has shipped! Can't wait to test this out this weekend!
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Just received noticed that my XPA-5 has shipped! Can't wait to test this out this weekend!
Did you get the new Generation 3 or the older Generation 2?

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I got the Gen2. Wanted to start off with this amp since it has a good reputation.

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Edited my post with some color to highlight what you're looking for.
Yes, I had seen that. My understanding, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is that those numbers are for 2 channel continuous power rating of each amp.
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XPA5 Gen2 came in last night. All hooked up to my 5.2 system consisting of:

PreAmp: Pioneer Elite SC-65
Source Player: Sony BDP S790 Bluray Player
Speakers:
Sonus Faber Venere 2.0 Bookshelves(Fronts) - 88dB / 6-Ohm / 200W
Sonus Faber Venere Center 89dB / 6-Ohm / 150W
Definitive Technology ProMonitor 1000 Bookshelves(Surrounds) 91dB / 8-Ohm / 200W
SVS SB-2000 Subs (Dual Setup on front stage)
Cabling: Monoprice 12AWG CL2 Speaker Wires, Monoprice HDMI Cable(6ft), Mediabridge RCA Cables(4ft)

Music demo'd so far:
Tommy Smith "Peace and Love" CD
Michael Jackson "Thriller - Special Edition" CD

Movies demo'd so far:
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Bluray
Avengers Bluray
Spectre Bluray

Initial Impressions:
- Sound seems more dynamic at low to medium volumes in both Stereo and Multi-Channel playback.
- Heat dissipation isn't bad.
- I have not noticed any "hissing" sounds from my speakers.


Will post more of my perceptions on this amp for those people still on the fence. I consider myself have novice to intermediate knowledge in this hobby. For those that this may relate to.
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More review:

Set SC-65 Amp to OFF. (Yeah, finally found the setting.)
Speaker Settings set for: Normal setup, distance set, phase control and standing wave. EQ set to OFF.

I re-watched Transformers: Age of Extinction in 3D, 5.1 TrueHD. First of all, I am not a big fan of the movie, but this series is just great to demo and test a system.

Believing that being forgiven would be better than asking for permission, I played the movie at my "Blockbuster Movie Night" level while my wife was still in the house. Before these parameter changes and the amp, she has complained about the volume level that I listen to. This past weekend? She had no complaints. She still had our bedroom door open and only had the TV's volume up a little louder that usual. Wow! I will continue my audition throughout the week and this coming weekend. About mid next week, I will go back to the previous setup to ensure I'm not "hearing my enthusiasm".

However, so far so staying home.

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Decided to bite the bullet and ordered an XPA-5 yesterday. I was planning on waiting a little longer before picking up another amp but after seeing all the other Gen 2 amps disappear from their site over the past few months, it seems inevitable that the 5 will be gone soon too. I'm also just not motivated at all to spend over $500 more for the Gen 3 version. If that was my only choice, I'd probably just go with the Outlaw 5000.

I was really only in the market for a three channel and was leaning towards the XPA-3..until it disappeared. I have a UPA-2 already and only a 5.1 setup right now and the UPA-2 provides plenty enough power for my mains. I was going to use the 3 ch amp to power my center and two surrounds (or maybe the front 3 and then put the UPA-2 on the surrounds.) I do plan on upgrading to a 5.1.4 setup later this year so both amps will still go to good use.

I'm specifically looking forward to watching Tron: Legacy with the new amp as that's the only movie I've seen which actually caused distortion in my surrounds during a few scenes. The soundtrack (and sound effects) to that movie are really incredible. Too bad the movie itself is only so-so. My surrounds (and center) are currently being driven by my Onkyo TX-SR706 (very outdated, I know) and it just can't handle it.

Looking forward to the new amp.
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I was just wondering if there is an AVSForum sales contact for Emotiva amps?
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I get a lot of my stuff from @SteveH here on the forum. He is an Emotiva dealer (along with a lot of other stuff).

E-mail or call him here:

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2 months later and still really liking my new amp. Went out and also bought a Marantz AV8802A prepro. These two mate together really well. I'm still in the trial phase of my purchase. Now looking for another XPA-5 so I can go Atmos or may just go with another AVR. Any suggestions from anyone?

Source Player: Oppo BDP-103D
Front and Rear Channels: Sonus Faber Venere 2.0 Bookshelves - 88dB / 6-Ohm / 200W
Center Channel: Sonus Faber Venere Center 89dB / 6-Ohm / 150W
Height Channels: TBD. May go with PM1000 speakers from DT or a much less expensive option with some Polk satellites.
Subwoofers: SVS SB-2000 Subs (Dual Setup on front stage)
Cabling: Monoprice 12AWG CL2 Speaker Wires, Monoprice HDMI Cable(6ft), Mediabridge RCA Cables(4ft)

My speaker configuration will have my height channels directly above the Front and Rear Channels, like the Auro 3D configuration.

Thanks and I look forward to the advice!

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2 months later and still really liking my new amp. Went out and also bought a Marantz AV8802A prepro. These two mate together really well. I'm still in the trial phase of my purchase. Now looking for another XPA-5 so I can go Atmos or may just go with another AVR. Any suggestions from anyone?

Source Player: Oppo BDP-103D
Front and Rear Channels: Sonus Faber Venere 2.0 Bookshelves - 88dB / 6-Ohm / 200W
Center Channel: Sonus Faber Venere Center 89dB / 6-Ohm / 150W
Height Channels: TBD. May go with PM1000 speakers from DT or a much less expensive option with some Polk satellites.
Subwoofers: SVS SB-2000 Subs (Dual Setup on front stage)
Cabling: Monoprice 12AWG CL2 Speaker Wires, Monoprice HDMI Cable(6ft), Mediabridge RCA Cables(4ft)

My speaker configuration will have my height channels directly above the Front and Rear Channels, like the Auro 3D configuration.

Thanks and I look forward to the advice!
If you wish to you to the full Atmos/DTS:X 7.1.4 speaker setup with the Marantz pre/pro then you'll need to get at least a 6-channel external amp with the XPA-5 to get up to 11 channels of amplification.

Might want to look at the Monoprice Monolith 7 which will give you the required number of channels.

Edit: If staying with the Emotiva brand, their new A-700 amp is lower powered (80W/channel) version which might be suitable depending on the sensitivity/distance/listening level of the ceiling and surround back speakers.

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If you wish to you to the full Atmos/DTS:X 7.1.4 speaker setup with the Marantz pre/pro then you'll need to get at least a 6-channel external amp with the XPA-5 to get up to 11 channels of amplification.

Might want to look at the Monoprice Monolith 7 which will give you the required number of channels.

Edit: If staying with the Emotiva brand, their new A-700 amp is lower powered (80W/channel) version which might be suitable depending on the sensitivity/distance/listening level of the ceiling and surround back speakers.
Exactly my plan. Already set for the A-700. I'm looking a some Polk satellites for height channels. Possible the TL1's.
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Hey guys - is anyone in the U.S. using the XPA amps with 240v power? I have an XPA-5 gen3 that I want to power with 240v. I have a power isolation transformer with some 240v straight plug (not a twist) outlets on it. Can I simply just get the right type of power cord and plug it in and the Emotiva will automatically know that is 240v and run off of it just fine (no switches need to be flipped etc)? If so, what type of power cord do I need? A link to something on Amazon would be great! On a related note, are there any benefits to the power the Emotiva units have when running off of 240v (my main reason to do it is energy use efficiency, but wondering if there are other benefits as well). Likewise are there any potential downsides to running it with the 240v?

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From the Emotiva website for the new XPA series:
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Power Requirements
Between 100 VAC and 250 VAC @ 50 / 60 Hz (automatically detected).
The power cord you need depends upon the type of 240 V wall outlet you have (there are several types depending upon the current rating). You can also buy adapters to convert your power plug to fit the 240 V outlet.

Not sure you will gain much if any efficiency going to 240 V with a SMPS (switch mode power supply) such as the Emotiva uses. At anything less than near full power it may actually be a little worse. There will be less current drawn from the wall socket and correspondingly less voltage drop across the power cord and internal traces to the actual SMPS but I doubt it is significant. That can reduce the overall circuit load, however. No real downsides other than higher voltage across (but lower current through) the power supply's input circuitry. There may be more chance of a ground loop, but that is fairly easily solved. If I had 220/240 V outlets in my media room I would run my amps off them.

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